Cobra: Tapes, Interviews & Case Discussion

[Emeralgem]

jessigirl, one question..

We have Ronald Cummings telling Cobra..

ron: …and i would crush both of his mf`n hands… i will make sure they will never be able to mf`n… no, they will never be able to reconstruct em ….that way he will never be able to steal nothing from anybody else. right or wrong?


Are we suppose to believe Ronald Cummings would crush Jo's hands for stealing his damn gun
but wouldn't do anything to Jo even though he is basically telling Cobra Jo killed his daughter and threw her in with the gators?

IF thats the case.. Ronald Cummings has proven his guns certanly meant more to him than his daughter did...And he would do more physical damage to a person who stole an inanimate object of his than he would IF someone stole his daughter....killed her and threw her in with the gators...Imagine that.... All JMO

 

[Chablis]

IF thats the case Ronald Cummings has proven his guns certainly meant more to him than his daughter did...Imagine that....JMO

Well, its starting to shape up that way! He seems to be more protective of his guns. Something is very, very wrong with this guy. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

Seems to me that some of his threats are just hot air. IIRC, he has threatened to shoot whoever took Haleigh but it hasn't happened. So far all the suspects are alive and well (maybe he wants to wait for the guilty verdict after all?). He has allegedly threatened to kill Misty, but it hasn't happened. He has allegedly threatened to kill himself, but it hasn't happened. He has threatened to sue PDM, but it hasn't happened. So if he's threatened to maim Joe and it hasn't happened, it's just a part of his MO, IMO. If in doubt, make threats. That is not to say he won't make one of his threats a reality one day but it seems to me that groundless threats come easily to him.

 

[Emeralgem]

Well, its starting to shape up that way! He seems to be more protective of his guns. Something is very, very wrong with this guy. jmo

After listening to that tape of him and Cobra discussing a gator's burrowing habits..For him to be able to go to a place like that in his head considering....
IMHO.. Pure Unadulterated Evil..

 

[Chablis]

Seems to me that some of his threats are just hot air. IIRC, he has threatened to shoot whoever took Haleigh but it hasn't happened. So far all the suspects are alive and well (maybe he wants to wait for the guilty verdict after all?). He has allegedly threatened to kill Misty, but it hasn't happened. He has allegedly threatened to kill himself, but it hasn't happened. He has threatened to sue PDM, but it hasn't happened. So if he's threatened to maim Joe and it hasn't happened, it's just a part of his MO, IMO. If in doubt, make threats. That is not to say he won't make one of his threats a reality one day but it seems to me that groundless threats come easily to him.

Well, as Teresa Neves stated when she saw Ron is jail, he was trying to be a macho boy, which I think is weird wording, but maybe Ronald was known to be macho or brought up to be macho and he cant help threating people, I dont know.

 

[Cheewawa007]

Does anyone know if Ron's sister lived near Putnam County?

 

[Concerned Papa]

For fifteen months, we have all heard Ronald Cummings talk about what he was going to do about this or that.

-On the 911 call he said he was going to kill whoever had his daughter.

-He said he would shoot through the back of LE’s car.

-He said he would blow Misty’s teeth out the back of her head.

-He allegedly has threatened numerous times to put a gun in his mouth and kill himself.

Now, after listening to the graphic fantasy of smashing and mangling Joe Overstreet’s hands, it strikes me odd that out of all the interviews, statements, videos, and television appearances by and about Ronald Cummings, I have never heard a single full grown man say he has ever lifted a finger in their direction.

I have, however, listened to allegations of Ronald Cummings hitting and kicking a pregnant woman. I have listened to allegations of him hitting his children. I have even heard he was successful in beating the crap out of a back door.

He seems selective about with who he's comfortable in making good his threats.

 

[debs]

For fifteen months, we have all heard Ronald Cummings talk about what he was going to do about this or that.

-On the 911 call he said he was going to kill whoever had his daughter.

-He said he would shoot through the back of LE’s car.

-He said he would blow Misty’s teeth out the back of her head.

-He allegedly has threatened numerous times to put a gun in his mouth and kill himself.

Now, after listening to the graphic fantasy of smashing and mangling Joe Overstreet’s hands, it strikes me odd that out of all the interviews, statements, videos, and television appearances by and about Ronald Cummings, I have never heard a single full grown man say he has ever lifted a finger in their direction.

I have, however, listened to allegations of Ronald Cummings hitting and kicking a pregnant woman. I have listened to allegations of him hitting his children. I have even heard he was successful in beating the crap out of a back door.

He seems selective about with who he's comfortable in making good his threats.

In the infamous road rage incident where CJjr calls 911 at the same time Misty calls 911, CJjr says that Ron just threatened him with a gun and he's crazy enough to use it.

 

[1Chump]

If there was a fight between Ron and Joe on February 9th, it wasn't just before Joe left town. He was around until at least the afternoon of February 10th. I doubt Ron would've admitted to Cobra that he was fighting with Joe around 5:30 or 6:00 when he was supposed to be at work. The fight Ron mentions likely occurred days earlier.

Tommy's not mentioned in this story from Ron. The Hank he refers to is Hank, Sr. In one of the Tommy tapes, Hank mentions an incident that occurred at his house. Hank was in the hospital for at least a few days prior to Feb 9th, so the argument could not have occurred later than Feb 4th or 5th. It's difficult to tell the sequence of events from this account, though. The way I read it, Joe stole the gun and was planning to leave the week before Haleigh disappeared. There was a big fight over it, and Hank, Sr. forced Joe to give it up. Ron took the gun and hid it. Later that day, he walked over to Tommy's house and Joe's girlfriend was there. But as we know, Joe didn't leave.

Since we first heard this tape, my thought has been that Joe set his sights on that gun, and he wasn't leaving without it, even if it meant delaying his trip home. But if Joe's friend was in PC a day or so before the 9th, where was she the night Haleigh disappeared? She supposedly dropped Joe off in PC on her way to Orlando, I think. Nobody has mentioned her being in PC on the 9th or 10th. So, did she go back to Orlando? Or did she hang around in PC? I dunno. But I do believe it's possible that Joe went to Ron's house on the night of Feb 9th to get that gun while Ron was at work. I also believe the phone argument that evening occurred when Misty called Ron to tell him Joe was at the MH demanding the gun, and that during that argument or shortly afterward, Haleigh was hurt. I think the argument upset the children, and it might've been Jr. and Haleigh hiding under the blanket, not Misty. Haleigh might've been so frightened that she wet her pants, which caused Misty to beat her. Misty threatened to tell Ron that they killed Haleigh if they didn't help her with the body.

The way Ron says it, IMO, he realized he slipped and covered with Hank Sr.

ron: hank…

cobra: hank, who is hank?

ron: man, hank is uh misty`s dad.

If he was really talking about Hank, Sr. why the pause when asked Hank who?

Then further down, Ron says Big Hank is in a wheelchair now but he was tough before then. Hank, Sr. was in the hospital when Joe left.

Ron gives several references to the fight happening when Joe was leaving. The gf who he was driving home with. Also, the references to Joe not leaving with the gun.

Yes, Joe left late Feb. 10 but it seems more likely that they were supposed to leave in the am but left later because of Haleigh.

IMO, Ron did not know he was being taped so said more than he normally would. We know Ron did not know he was being taped because Ron never mentioned that he was being taped. Ron always mentions it when he knows he is being taped.

IMO, Ron realized he messed up by talking about the fight being when Joe was leaving because he says "guess where the gf was at" then goes into Hank, Sr. at the doctor and then tries to change the time by putting Hank, Sr. there.

 

[1Chump]

Everything we have heard about Joe is coming from the very people who have a reason to make Joe look like a rage-filled monster. Ron sure told stories about Joe yet not one time did Ron give any description of Joe actually being a rage-filled monster. It was all things Joe alledgedly said or did but no detail like Joe threatening to crush hands. Nope, the details came when Ron talked about his actions, not Joe's.

If any of what they say about Joe is true, why did they not tell LE about Joe immediately? Ron even had the "gun" with Joe's fingerprints to give to LE to show Joe was the bad guy. But instead of telling LE the Joe stories, Ron cleans Joe's fingerprints off the gun.

Even when Joe's name did get to the Sheriff, they must not have told him about the rage filled monster. Because the Sheriff could not even remember Joe's name. He referred to Joe as "the cousin from TN." I would think if they told the Sheriff those stories, the Sheriff would know his name.

IMO, Ron is talking about Joe to deflect attention from himself. Because if anything they say about Joe is truthful, they would have said it before people started questioning Ron's behavior, not after.

 

[justus4all]

IMO...It seems to me if someone was trying to steal something from me...I would NOT hide it on another's person's property...in a ditch...where I CANNOT OBSERVE if it is STILL THERE or not.and ANYONE COULD happen by and see it/find it/take it......BUT somewhere NEARBY, or WITH ME..where I can easily OBSERVE that it is STILL there, but hidden...To be watchful over it....Not elsewhere....(makes no sense)

I am not buying the story that R hid it in T's ditch...OR..that J stole it....The story is something else...and parts missing from it...

 

[Skully]

IMO...It seems to me if someone was trying to steal something from me...I would NOT hide it on another's person's property...in a ditch...where I CANNOT OBSERVE if it is STILL THERE or not.and ANYONE COULD happen by and see it/find it/take it......BUT somewhere NEARBY, or WITH ME..where I can easily OBSERVE that it is STILL there, but hidden...To be watchful over it....Not elsewhere....(makes no sense)

I am not buying the story that R hid it in T's ditch...OR..that J stole it....The story is something else...and parts missing from it...

bbm

I feel that way about the whole case and every-bodies statements.

 

[doobiedoo52]

RC says Joe stole his "piece" the 3rd day he was there (the first time he met Joe).
He was there 2 weeks so he arrived right around the 28th of Jan and the gun incident
was Jan. 30th. We don't actually know when the gun was retrieved from the culvert
by either RC or MC. But, we do know that RC was quite vocal about blaming Joe
for the theft. We know this because he told Hank Sr and Hank proceeded to get on
Joe's case. It humiliated him in front of his relatives to be accused and threatened
by RC. I think they both were very angry, but I think RC was probably showing the
weapon off or talking about it to begin with or Joe wouldn't have known about it. I
think after Hank got on Joe's case, that's when they moved Joe to H & L's house.
The big question is, when did RC find the missing gun? He may have acted like it
was still missing when he told Hank the story. But, maybe he had already found it
by then, cleaned it and hid it away. If he acted like it was still missing, Joe wouldn't
have any idea it was gone from the culvert. Which might explain why, when the
girlfriend came to get Joe on the 10th, she was there by the culvert hoping to get the
gun from its hiding place before they left for home. IMO RC was just waiting to see
who would go to that culvert to look for it.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

IMO...It seems to me if someone was trying to steal something from me...I would NOT hide it on another's person's property...in a ditch...where I CANNOT OBSERVE if it is STILL THERE or not.and ANYONE COULD happen by and see it/find it/take it......BUT somewhere NEARBY, or WITH ME..where I can easily OBSERVE that it is STILL there, but hidden...To be watchful over it....Not elsewhere....(makes no sense)

I am not buying the story that R hid it in T's ditch...OR..that J stole it....The story is something else...and parts missing from it...

ITA justus4all! It makes no sense whatsoever considering that Ronald had plenty of places he could have hidden that gun on the property of and surrounding the MH at 202 Green Lane. (i.e., plenty of woods/hiding places, around the MH where Ronald lived...) There is far more to this story than is being/has been told. If Ronald truly believed at the time that Jo had something to do with HaLeigh's disappearance he could have easily filed a report, just like the blind elderly gentlemen did (much later and after the gun was returned to him...) when Tommy allegedly stole a gun from him. That would have at least given LE probably cause to hold Jo at that time - Wouldn't Ronald have wanted that? I continue to believe that Ronald & Misty initially wanted everyone to buy into/believe that HaLeigh was abducted by a child predator (hence the reason for staging the backdoor...) but when questions began to arise about Misty's account/timeline, rumors about drug use, a fight over a gun, etc., in order to divert attention away from them they began pointing toward others who might have taken HaLeigh. The reason that I'm convinced of this is because neither Ronald (in his taped conversations w/Cobra) or Misty ever stuck to one story or theory -Right after Ronald tells Cobra to look at Jo, then he points toward Crystal & the Sheffield family. Misty also pointed toward the Crystal/Sheffield's while, at the same time, pointing at cousin Jo and other members of her family!! This was/has been a blatant attempt by both Ronald and Misty to throw pasta (people) against the wall (under the bus) until it (someone) sticks (gets run over). I believe that everyone of these players were involved jointly in committing an assortment of various types of crimes prior to HaLeigh's disappearance and I also believe that Ronald holds information (other unknown or unsolved crimes - and possibly even a murder...) over their heads and he's convinced them that he has connections in LE and that LE will believe anything he says over any of them - IMO, thus far in this case/investigation, they haven't been given any reason not to believe and take seriously Ronald's threats. JMHO ~

 

[Concerned Papa]

RC says Joe stole his "piece" the 3rd day he was there (the first time he met Joe).
He was there 2 weeks so he arrived right around the 28th of Jan and the gun incident
was Jan. 30th. We don't actually know when the gun was retrieved from the culvert
by either RC or MC. But, we do know that RC was quite vocal about blaming Joe
for the theft. We know this because he told Hank Sr and Hank proceeded to get on
Joe's case. It humiliated him in front of his relatives to be accused and threatened
by RC. I think they both were very angry, but I think RC was probably showing the
weapon off or talking about it to begin with or Joe wouldn't have known about it. I
think after Hank got on Joe's case, that's when they moved Joe to H & L's house.
The big question is, when did RC find the missing gun? He may have acted like it
was still missing when he told Hank the story. But, maybe he had already found it
by then, cleaned it and hid it away. If he acted like it was still missing, Joe wouldn't
have any idea it was gone from the culvert. Which might explain why, when the
girlfriend came to get Joe on the 10th, she was there by the culvert hoping to get the
gun from its hiding place before they left for home. IMO RC was just waiting to see
who would go to that culvert to look for it.

An even bigger question is HOW did RC find this gun if it was actually stolen? Explain that one to me and I might could buy off on some of the gun story.

Ronald all but admitted to putting the gun in the culvert himself in the Cobra tapes and definitely said he retrieved it himself even though in her LVA, Misty claims she's the one who found it while on the phone with him.

It's my opinion this gun theft story is no different from the alligator eating at the dock story during cold weather. It didn't happen.

 

[seeking truth]

(** he is Joe **)
So, Timmy's account of that night(&early morning hours) is that Joe was not in their home, as Joe claimed. And more than likely(IMO)he wasn't in their home and was gone in the blue van, that we of course know has the mysterious scratches&damage that occurred some time during that night/early morning hours...
Also if you read thru the transcripts of these tapes it also points to what I have stated to have truly happened in/and around the "fight" over the gun that Joe originally stole from Ron when he first arrived in Satsuma and that is that Ron really did a "number" on Joe and Joe's (something) street credibility by embarrassing, humiliating and discrediting Joe COMPLETELY(I.E., the part about what Ron said he wanted to do to his hands to show everyone he was a thief&keep him from ever even being ABLE to steal with THOSE HANDS(Joe's). And Joe swearing to seek revenge on Ron at all costs(there are multiple accounts of Joe swearing to do so)... As I previously have stated, I don't believe that many here do not give enough credit to the fact that Joe hated Ron with every ounce of his being& wanted to see Ron pay(and pay BIG)for what he'd done to Joe... It is JUST WAY TOO MUCH OF A COINCIDENCE for these events to have taken place, leaving Joe bitter, angry, and "out for blood", and had voiced this. And then ALL OF A SUDDEN Ron and Misty(together) or just Ron alone suddenly kill or cause some sort of EXTREME death "accidentally" of his daughter... It is just not how things happened.. NO COINCIDENCES OF SUCH MAGNITUDE OCCUR... I do not care for Ron Cummings one tiny bit. I am disgusted with so much of him&who he is that it is hard for me to have sympathy for him. But as much as I truly dislike this man,DO NOT AGREE with his lifestyle and hold him ACCOUNTABLE in many many ways and in the end do find fault with him, in that if he had not selfishly chosen this risky lifestyle that Haleigh would not have been innocently sacrificed as a way of retaliation by the (something) Joe. But I do not believe for one second that Ron was DIRECTLY involved in HALEIGH'S MURDER, nor in the COVER UP! The facts do not add up to Ron murdering his daughter, the facts(the little known ones that we know for sure), IN MY OPINION, the facts are NO COINCIDENCE, Joe is the main perpetrator, HE IS THE KILLER OF OUR PRECIOUS HALEIGH.

Jessigirl,

We have very few facts in this case. We don't have any idea of the dynamics between JO and Ronald Cummings. We have no idea what is true regarding a stolen gun, a fight, anything.

How in the world do you come to the conclusion that (in your words):

"IN MY OPINION, the facts are NO COINCIDENCE, Joe is the main perpetrator, HE IS THE KILLER OF OUR PRECIOUS HALEIGH." (Jessigirl)

Where are these "multiple accounts" of JO swearing to seek revenge on Ronald Cummings?

I am very curious as to how you have come to your conclusion and where you are finding your facts. Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on these issues.

My opinions and questions.

 

[1Chump]

(BBM)


ITA justus4all! It makes no sense whatsoever considering that Ronald had plenty of places he could have hidden that gun on the property of and surrounding the MH at 202 Green Lane. (i.e., plenty of woods/hiding places, around the MH where Ronald lived...) There is far more to this story than is being/has been told. If Ronald truly believed at the time that Jo had something to do with HaLeigh's disappearance he could have easily filed a report, just like the blind elderly gentlemen did (much later and after the gun was returned to him...) when Tommy allegedly stole a gun from him. That would have at least given LE probably cause to hold Jo at that time - Wouldn't Ronald have wanted that? I continue to believe that Ronald & Misty initially wanted everyone to buy into/believe that HaLeigh was abducted by a child predator (hence the reason for staging the backdoor...) but when questions began to arise about Misty's account/timeline, rumors about drug use, a fight over a gun, etc., in order to divert attention away from them they began pointing toward others who might have taken HaLeigh. The reason that I'm convinced of this is because neither Ronald (in his taped conversations w/Cobra) or Misty ever stuck to one story or theory -Right after Ronald tells Cobra to look at Jo, then he points toward Crystal & the Sheffield family. Misty also pointed toward the Crystal/Sheffield's while, at the same time, pointing at cousin Jo and other members of her family!! This was/has been a blatant attempt by both Ronald and Misty to throw pasta (people) against the wall (under the bus) until it (someone) sticks (gets run over). I believe that everyone of these players were involved jointly in committing an assortment of various types of crimes prior to HaLeigh's disappearance and I also believe that Ronald holds information (other unknown or unsolved crimes - and possibly even a murder...) over their heads and he's convinced them that he has connections in LE and that LE will believe anything he says over any of them - IMO, thus far in this case/investigation, they haven't been given any reason not to believe and take seriously Ronald's threats. JMHO ~

You make a great point that I had not thought of before. Ron and Misty are the only two people pointing fingers at others.


IMO, Ron and Misty are also the two people giving the dumbest reasons why they think those people should be looked at.

 

[Concerned Papa]

(BBM)


ITA justus4all! It makes no sense whatsoever considering that Ronald had plenty of places he could have hidden that gun on the property of and surrounding the MH at 202 Green Lane. (i.e., plenty of woods/hiding places, around the MH where Ronald lived...) There is far more to this story than is being/has been told. If Ronald truly believed at the time that Jo had something to do with HaLeigh's disappearance he could have easily filed a report, just like the blind elderly gentlemen did (much later and after the gun was returned to him...) when Tommy allegedly stole a gun from him. That would have at least given LE probably cause to hold Jo at that time - Wouldn't Ronald have wanted that? I continue to believe that Ronald & Misty initially wanted everyone to buy into/believe that HaLeigh was abducted by a child predator (hence the reason for staging the backdoor...) but when questions began to arise about Misty's account/timeline, rumors about drug use, a fight over a gun, etc., in order to divert attention away from them they began pointing toward others who might have taken HaLeigh. The reason that I'm convinced of this is because neither Ronald (in his taped conversations w/Cobra) or Misty ever stuck to one story or theory -Right after Ronald tells Cobra to look at Jo, then he points toward Crystal & the Sheffield family. Misty also pointed toward the Crystal/Sheffield's while, at the same time, pointing at cousin Jo and other members of her family!! This was/has been a blatant attempt by both Ronald and Misty to throw pasta (people) against the wall (under the bus) until it (someone) sticks (gets run over). I believe that everyone of these players were involved jointly in committing an assortment of various types of crimes prior to HaLeigh's disappearance and I also believe that Ronald holds information (other unknown or unsolved crimes - and possibly even a murder...) over their heads and he's convinced them that he has connections in LE and that LE will believe anything he says over any of them - IMO, thus far in this case/investigation, they haven't been given any reason not to believe and take seriously Ronald's threats. JMHO ~

NMS, I agree with every word of this post except "pasta". What they were throwing came from the south end of a north bound billy goat.

 

[Missingmeds]

So true Papa, so very true.

 

[nomoresorrow]

(BBM)

NMS, I agree with every word of this post except "pasta". What they were throwing came from the south end of a north bound billy goat.

:yes:
[ITA CPapa]