Cobra: Tapes, Interviews & Case Discussion

[Emma Peel]

NMS, I agree with every word of this post except "pasta". What they were throwing came from the south end of a north bound billy goat.

I need a compass to track all the animals in this case.

pit bull, billy goat, elephant, cobra ...



p.s. I live north; hoping they are NOT actually northbound. :angel:

 

[Emma Peel]

oh, and sometimes I THINK I might even see even more than one elephant.

 

[Whisperer]

me too.

:drink:

 

[doobiedoo52]

An even bigger question is HOW did RC find this gun if it was actually stolen? Explain that one to me and I might could buy off on some of the gun story.

Ronald all but admitted to putting the gun in the culvert himself in the Cobra tapes and definitely said he retrieved it himself even though in her LVA, Misty claims she's the one who found it while on the phone with him.

It's my opinion this gun theft story is no different from the alligator eating at the dock story during cold weather. It didn't happen.

Sorry to disagree papa. I don't think RC admitted that at all. I believe he was trying to say he "tried to think like a criminal. Where would I hide it so
that if it's found on TC's property, he doesn't get in trouble?" He decided up by the road somewhere--the culvert. And that's where it was. Rereading the transcript helped. It states that he took it back home & cleaned it and hid it after it was found in the culvert, but he says he didn't tell anybody. IMO that tells me that Joe didn't know and still thought it was in the culvert when his ride came for him on the 10th. He had of course been moved to Hank's and then Timmy's in the meantime, so couldn't keep his eye on it.

 

[Chablis]

When it comes to the gun and Ron directing Misty to it, it just seems like a big set up by Ronald who probably heard Joe was crazy, to produce drama and show the Croslins that Joe was really bad, probably just for Ronalds own amusement, I think he thrives on drama, I heard how he sounded talking to Teresa Neves in jail and the tone of his voice when he was telling her about Misty crying over him, and when the lady judge was going to Misty the whole 100 years, he sounded like a gossiping hen.

And actually what intrigues me the most, is where was Joe when Misty was out with Greg Page and Nay Nay? It seems this fighting thing with Joe and Ron went on when Misty was gone, doesn't it?

 

[justus4all]

You make a great point that I had not thought of before. Ron and Misty are the only two people pointing fingers at others.


IMO, Ron and Misty are also the two people giving the dumbest reasons why they think those people should be looked at.

Bolded by me...Your statement SAYS IT ALL...They are SO DESPERATE..for the SUSPICIOUS attention to be OFF THEM...

IMO...R and M's cover up...started unraveling...from the start..(.starting with that "staged" 911 call..)

 

[Chablis]

Bolded by me...Your statement SAYS IT ALL...They are SO DESPERATE..for the SUSPICIOUS attention to be OFF THEM...

IMO...R and M's cover up...started unraveling...from the start..(.starting with that "staged" 911 call..)

Not only that, I truly believe that after the divorce was announced and Misty was off on the Today show and she was pointing the finger at Crystals family. I think this was done for Ronald and to appease him, as I dont think they ever broke up and they were just pretending. When the results of the voice test came out, when Misty is saying, I think her mothers side took her so they wouldnt have to pay child support, Misty registers this as a lie, she doesn't believe that, but shes throwing it out there, putting more stress on a mother of a dead child, a child Misty knows is dead, I think Ronald has been manipulating Misty for a long time, probably told her if she tells what he did, he will just say Misty did it and he loved her so much he was covering for her, I am sure she has been threatened to high heck.

 

[Kimster]

Let's keep this train on the tracks everyone. This post is landing on this thread at random. Y'all know which ones are Off Topic so knock it off!

 

[Concerned Papa]

Sorry to disagree papa. I don't think RC admitted that at all. I believe he was trying to say he "tried to think like a criminal. Where would I hide it so
that if it's found on TC's property, he doesn't get in trouble?" He decided up by the road somewhere--the culvert. And that's where it was. Rereading the transcript helped. It states that he took it back home & cleaned it and hid it after it was found in the culvert, but he says he didn't tell anybody. IMO that tells me that Joe didn't know and still thought it was in the culvert when his ride came for him on the 10th. He had of course been moved to Hank's and then Timmy's in the meantime, so couldn't keep his eye on it.

Doob, I’m interested in your point of view and I would appreciate a little help in better understanding what you’re saying. This is what was said:

ron: you know what? i felt like a criminal… i went straight down to the ditch…
because i figure if it`s on his premises and the law finds them… guess what?

cobra: boom, back to you!

ron: No… if it`s on his premises… then he`s in trouble.

cobra: yeah

ron: so, you put it in the ditch and anybody could have put it there, right? got my s*** right out of the culvert....

Are you saying that it’s your interpretation of the above that Ronald “placed his mind” into a thought pattern of where Joe might hide his gun and actually went STRAIGHT to it?

If so, I would respectfully point out that according to this story of Mr Cummings, Joe “stole” his pistol the first day he met him, which was the third day of his visit. Working backward with Misty’s statement from her LVA that Joe was only here for 2 weeks, since he left on the evening of 2/10, his arrival would have been around 1/27 or 28, with the theft per Ronald occurring around 1/30. I thought Joe was staying with Hank Sr and Lisa when he first arrived at their residence at 130 Magnolia.

How do you feel Ronald was able to “zone” in to the culvert at Tommy’s house? Why not the culvert at Hank Sr’s house or Timmy’s house? Why not behind a bush across the street or something?

I guess my main problem is in how to translate “I felt like a criminal” into “I thought like a criminal” to follow what you’re saying. I’ve listened to, and read this deal at least 10 times and all I can get is “I went straight down to the ditch” and “put it in the ditch”, but that’s just me.

 

[cluciano63]

Oh this business about RC zoning in on the gun 'cuz he was thinking like a criminal is just too much for me...he IS a criminal last I checked...and know very little factually about Joe...what we know of Joe is mostly from people who lie when their lips move...

 

[Chablis]

Doob, I’m interested in your point of view and I would appreciate a little help in better understanding what you’re saying. This is what was said:



Are you saying that it’s your interpretation of the above that Ronald “placed his mind” into a thought pattern of where Joe might hide his gun and actually went STRAIGHT to it?

If so, I would respectfully point out that according to this story of Mr Cummings, Joe “stole” his pistol the first day he met him, which was the third day of his visit. Working backward with Misty’s statement from her LVA that Joe was only here for 2 weeks, since he left on the evening of 2/10, his arrival would have been around 1/27 or 28, with the theft per Ronald occurring around 1/30. I thought Joe was staying with Hank Sr and Lisa when he first arrived at their residence at 130 Magnolia.

How do you feel Ronald was able to “zone” in to the culvert at Tommy’s house? Why not the culvert at Hank Sr’s house or Timmy’s house? Why not behind a bush across the street or something?

I guess my main problem is in how to translate “I felt like a criminal” into “I thought like a criminal” to follow what you’re saying. I’ve listened to, and read this deal at least 10 times and all I can get is “I went straight down to the ditch” and “put it in the ditch”, but that’s just me.

Was the culvert at Chelseas? Wasn't Joe staying there?

 

[Gwen]

If there was all this conflict between Joe and Ronald, why was he putting up posters with Misty the morning after Haleigh was was taken? Why would he allow Misty to be near Joe? IMO Misty's whole MO is to appease Ron.

For me the fact that Joe was still in town and still around the family speaks volumes and LOUDLY. He wouldn't be near them if he was on the 'outs' with the family.

 

[jessigirl]

snipped for space~
ron: wanna me to tell you what i think?

cobra: so, i`m gonna get the mf, dog. and i`m… (unintelligible)

ron: find joe. find joe.

cobra: huh? i know where joe at.

ron: i know where he is at too.

cobra: antioch, tn?

ron: 1529 antioch place

cobra: i know where he at dog, my boys is already around him.

ron: well that`s why i gave you the address, 1529

cobra: 1529, 1529… i know how to say antioch, antioch tn

ron: antioch place, antioch tn. 1529 antioch place.

cobra: you think he`s got something to do with it? i heard the first night
he came into town man… he tried to get your piece.

ron: the first time i met him he stole my piece. (gun)

cobra: the first day?

ron: the first day i met him… the third time… the third DAY that he was here…

cobra: yeah, the first time you MET him.

ron: first time i met him he stole my piece.

cobra: I heard that
~end snip from cobra tapes

2nd snip from cobra tapes
snipped for space~
ron: smaller than me, i`d break him in half. aint nothin to it, i said dude…
all i want is for you to let me lay his hand on the concrete and crush it with
this motherf**** jack.

cobra: for stealin for stealin the damn gun…

ron: …and i would crush both of his mf`n hands… i will make sure they will never be able to mf`n… no, they will never be able to reconstruct em ….that way he will never be able to steal nothing from anybody else. right or wrong?

cobra: right on.

ron: instead of cutting them off and going to jail for attempted murder,
i will just crush your f`n hands b**** … i`ll get an assault with a deadly
weapon. so what? i`ll be out…. i`ll be out!
~ end snip

My opinion
This is speaking of the fight about the gun, what Ron wanted to do to Joe. It also states directly above this snip about Hank Sr.also knowing that Joe stole Ron's gun and had confronted Joe telling him Joe was NOT going to leave with that stolen gun! These are just very small snippets here&there of this gun situation that DID OCCUR. And just a very small glance into just what a BIG altercation did ensue from this. Because of this incident Joe vowed to take revenge. Hank Sr. also refers to it in Tommy audio call and Tommy quickly shuts him up. Saying it can't be discussed on the phone... I am just attempting to show you what is out that that does indeed support my opinion. I, in no way am trying to sway or change yours or anyone else's opinions of what they feel did or did not happen in those days leading up to Haleigh disappearing... Below I have also pasted just a couple links that also point to the events in/and around the theft of the gun&the fight that resulted from that theft... And I am only stating that enough credit has not been given to the hatred Joe had for Ron over this altercation and his need to seek revenge(to make Ron pay BIG).... As I said I am not trying to change your opinion, but rather only trying to shed a little light on why I feel the way I do...(Hope this makes atleast SOME sense)


http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/
watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give private investigator Williams Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald;

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-haleigh-cummings-dead-20100415,0,1053110.story
Overstreet is a cousin of Croslin's who lives near Nashville, Tenn. Overstreet was in a dispute with Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, when Cummings accused him of stealing a gun.

snipped post from gun fight thread~ ETA.... this dude that fought with Ron would also, more than likely, know the best way to get him back.... thru his heart (which is how he referred to Haleigh).. ~end snip... am just putting this to show that I am not the only person who would draw such conclusions...

 

[doobiedoo52]

Doob, I’m interested in your point of view and I would appreciate a little help in better understanding what you’re saying. This is what was said:



Are you saying that it’s your interpretation of the above that Ronald “placed his mind” into a thought pattern of where Joe might hide his gun and actually went STRAIGHT to it?

If so, I would respectfully point out that according to this story of Mr Cummings, Joe “stole” his pistol the first day he met him, which was the third day of his visit. Working backward with Misty’s statement from her LVA that Joe was only here for 2 weeks, since he left on the evening of 2/10, his arrival would have been around 1/27 or 28, with the theft per Ronald occurring around 1/30. I thought Joe was staying with Hank Sr and Lisa when he first arrived at their residence at 130 Magnolia.

How do you feel Ronald was able to “zone” in to the culvert at Tommy’s house? Why not the culvert at Hank Sr’s house or Timmy’s house? Why not behind a bush across the street or something?

I guess my main problem is in how to translate “I felt like a criminal” into “I thought like a criminal” to follow what you’re saying. I’ve listened to, and read this deal at least 10 times and all I can get is “I went straight down to the ditch” and “put it in the ditch”, but that’s just me.

Yes, papa I am saying that RC used the wrong terminology--instead of thinking like a criminal he said felt like a criminal. And the first place Joe was staying was at Tommy's. They moved him to Hank's after the gun incident. Then Hank had his accident & Joe ended up at Timmy's. BTW I do not think RC went right to the spot. I think that was blow hard macho stuff for Cobra to hear. I think he sent Misty & her and Lindsy looked just like she said in her LVA. Then she mentioned the "culbert" and RC told her to look there. More like dumb luck than figuring it out logically. All JMO

 

[Chablis]

So, if Ronald, who says in these tapes he would crush Joes hands, and he would be out of jail, and this is over a gun, why, if he was with Misty to find out the truth about what happened to his daughter, why did he not do the same to her? Heck, if he smashed her to find out the truth, would he still go to jail for 15 years, at the minimum, like hes facing now? It just does not make any sense- he does not rough up Misty to find out the truth about his own flesh and blood, but in these tapes hes ready to cripple Joe over a gun?

Its just so unbelievable.

 

[jessigirl]

This entire case, the people and actions involved are all COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE. IMHO

 

[Concerned Papa]

I'd like to ask a couple of question in regards to the posts from Jessigirl and Doobie. First of all, please understand that I respect all opinions whether I agree with them or not. I can't see either of your positions for myself, but who knows?

Jessigirl, we both know that no matter how it's looked at, much of what you have stated is not backed up in public knowledge. You have an inside contact. That's cool, I understand and appreciate information about this case from any source. Whether we accept information or not is up to each of us. My question for you is essentially that the scenario described by you in your various posts establishes motive, means, and opportunity.

-If what you've been told is true, what possible reason could LE have for not having made an arrest long ago?

Doob, you seem to be willing to take some liberty with Ronald Cummings words that I can't take. You're saying that even though he said he "felt like a criminal", you believe he meant "think like a criminal". You also say that even though he said he went "straight down to the ditch" you don't believe that happened and that the discovery of the gun in the ditch was some rather amazing plain old dumb luck. I don't, but going with your opinion for a minute, why in the hell would Ronald Cummings ever wipe the fingerprints from this gun and loudly and often deny that a fight or altercation ever happened? Why would he not have been completely forthcoming about this situation if it went down as I'm understanding you to believe?

 

[Chablis]

This entire case, the people and actions involved are all COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE. IMHO

So true... but really, Ronald going to the extent to tell how he would mess someones hands up for the rest of his life for stealing a gun, and then him hanging and marrying the key to finding out his daughter, the one cops say are lying, and she has been unscathed is just unbelievable. Hes either all talk, or really a passive person, but his reputation kinda refutes that. I guess the point is, hes just not consistent.

 

[debs]

My opinion
This is speaking of the fight about the gun, what Ron wanted to do to Joe. It also states directly above this snip about Hank Sr.also knowing that Joe stole Ron's gun and had confronted Joe telling him Joe was NOT going to leave with that stolen gun! These are just very small snippets here&there of this gun situation that DID OCCUR. And just a very small glance into just what a BIG altercation did ensue from this. Because of this incident Joe vowed to take revenge. Hank Sr. also refers to it in Tommy audio call and Tommy quickly shuts him up. Saying it can't be discussed on the phone... I am just attempting to show you what is out that that does indeed support my opinion. I, in no way am trying to sway or change yours or anyone else's opinions of what they feel did or did not happen in those days leading up to Haleigh disappearing... Below I have also pasted just a couple links that also point to the events in/and around the theft of the gun&the fight that resulted from that theft... And I am only stating that enough credit has not been given to the hatred Joe had for Ron over this altercation and his need to seek revenge(to make Ron pay BIG).... As I said I am not trying to change your opinion, but rather only trying to shed a little light on why I feel the way I do...(Hope this makes atleast SOME sense)


http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/
watched Misty’s mother, Tommy and wife Lindsay give private investigator Williams Staubs a yard tour, showing him a drainage pipe under the driveway where they claim Joe stashed a gun he’d allegedly stolen from Ronald;

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-haleigh-cummings-dead-20100415,0,1053110.story
Overstreet is a cousin of Croslin's who lives near Nashville, Tenn. Overstreet was in a dispute with Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, when Cummings accused him of stealing a gun.

snipped post from gun fight thread~ ETA.... this dude that fought with Ron would also, more than likely, know the best way to get him back.... thru his heart (which is how he referred to Haleigh).. ~end snip... am just putting this to show that I am not the only person who would draw such conclusions...

At some point, this opinion will have to be reconciled with Ron's public and vehement denial, over the top of his mother's insistence, that a fight with Joe ever happened.

 

[Emeralgem]

Don't know where to put this so, please feel free to move if necessary, but does anyone know when these coversations between Ronald Cummings and Cobra took place?
Was it before or after TN lured Cobra into the woods to that old trailer and then high tailed it out of there when she claimed she saw a snake?