CocoaMom's Church Theory

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Cocoa,

Here is the appraisal district property ownership info. The read outline is the property boundary so it appears the church owns the area.

Lil

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For all you "vida" freaks: here is a map showing a "vida" area right across the street from this church. Have fun! :)
 
No way, not going back tomorrow - what ? You guys think I'm made of steel or what??? Yikes I had the willies for hours!!!!

Sorry no other flip flop pic! Yeah, yeah, somebody "ambassador me" PLEASE!!! All I did was post my theory in an LP thread and WHAM I'm in my car and taking pictures like some Melinda from Ghost Whisperer or something - trying to answer a thousand phone calls while waiting for AAA because I locked my keys in the car - oh yeah IN THE RAIN (for a while anyway)...

No beer bottles or alcohol bottles that I could see in the Hawk's Hollow, lots of weed and grass growth so no maintenance inside here. Did see some Mountain Dew bottles (really old looking). I specifically looked for any evidence that anyone had been in there RECENTLY - like in the past year...This place looked locked in time or something. See the weeds growing around the "stage"? The trash you can see in the pics is not on top of the weeds and brush, most of it is under - means been there a while. Trees/bushes not trimmed (barely see playground over them). No one goes in here - I'm pretty convinced. But if I was a rowdy teen (like I never was ha!), I would LOVE this spot - perfect, never get caught!!!

The "Hawkins"/"Hawk's" idea is one I haven't thought of!!! Good job! Another ding,ding,ding bell going off!! You guys are good!
Sounds a lot like a "magic garden" kind of setting.
 
is it a phycic search team? if so I church will not like that.

ive been reading this all day and seeing everyones exitment but I must be missing something because I havent yet figured out why you guys are so exited about this area? can someone list what it is that points you here?

I started posting on the LP keep searching thread because I didn't know where else to go. A lot of the beginning excitement and comparisons for why this seemed so logical were on there. Don't know if the posts are still there or not.

Everyone flipped out and I couldn't sleep all night so I trekked on over there with my subconscious screaming at me the whole way "WTH are you doing?? Are you nuts? Websleuth - HA!" If my friends could see me now!

By the time I got back from my extravaganza, they had locked the thread, started one with my name on it and called me on the phone to tell me! YIKES this got deep quick!
 
No way, not going back tomorrow - what ? You guys think I'm made of steel or what??? Yikes I had the willies for hours!!!!

Sorry no other flip flop pic! Yeah, yeah, somebody "ambassador me" PLEASE!!! All I did was post my theory in an LP thread and WHAM I'm in my car and taking pictures like some Melinda from Ghost Whisperer or something - trying to answer a thousand phone calls while waiting for AAA because I locked my keys in the car - oh yeah IN THE RAIN (for a while anyway)...

No beer bottles or alcohol bottles that I could see in the Hawk's Hollow, lots of weed and grass growth so no maintenance inside here. Did see some Mountain Dew bottles (really old looking). I specifically looked for any evidence that anyone had been in there RECENTLY - like in the past year...This place looked locked in time or something. See the weeds growing around the "stage"? The trash you can see in the pics is not on top of the weeds and brush, most of it is under - means been there a while. Trees/bushes not trimmed (barely see playground over them). No one goes in here - I'm pretty convinced. But if I was a rowdy teen (like I never was ha!), I would LOVE this spot - perfect, never get caught!!!

The "Hawkins"/"Hawk's" idea is one I haven't thought of!!! Good job! Another ding,ding,ding bell going off!! You guys are good!

Aww man! Take someone with you. I'm gonna obsess in a very unhealthy manner otherwise. :)
 
Quick question & I'm not 100% sure this was even the right thread....

That picture of Casey & Caylee carrying a football in some park-like area..... where was THAT taken?

Man! Casey looked PUT OUT that she was stuck with Caylee when she could have been having fun with her friends. She looked positively MISERABLE. Ick.


I wonder WHEN & WHERE that was taken. Who took the pic.

Could it possibly have been around this church? If so... some person can place Casey at this location.

This was taken at the Oviedo house - I don't think it's near a church. There is a thread about it somewhere - but couldn't tell you what it is.

Don't know anything about a football pic.
 
why is leonard searching here tommorow ? is the area hes searching close to this ?
 
is it a phycic search team? if so I church will not like that.

ive been reading this all day and seeing everyones exitment but I must be missing something because I havent yet figured out why you guys are so exited about this area? can someone list what it is that points you here?

I'm not downing anyone's theory or hard work. I'm reading the thread trying to "get it" myself. Also I always thought KC's alleged tatoo was La Bella Vita..which is Italian. Not that it matters but I remember us discussing Bella Vida as areas, names of roads etc when that wasn't even actually it. JMO.
 
okay this is a bit on the strange side. I went to the ping maps and opened June 16 map. I wanted to type in the word "Blanchard Park" to get a location to look at those pings and my google maps automatically popped up a 815 Bella Vida Blvd address. So help me out .. do we already know of an 815 Bella Vida Blvd? Did I just completely miss out on all the discussion of the tatoo and not remember that the tatoo Bella Vida was being related to an address? I dont want to lose my train of thought going back through this thread but cocoamom fill me in please.

Someone mentioned if this church was linked to the tattoo in any way. I/we determined probably not - I have no idea - sounds like a sign to me! What is the 815? A house? A CHURCH? Do tell!!! I seem to remember a Bella Vida in East Orlando near some nail shop she went to but don't even ask me where - I'm brain dead for sure...
 
Quick question & I'm not 100% sure this was even the right thread....

That picture of Casey & Caylee carrying a football in some park-like area..... where was THAT taken?

Man! Casey looked PUT OUT that she was stuck with Caylee when she could have been having fun with her friends. She looked positively MISERABLE. Ick.


I wonder WHEN & WHERE that was taken. Who took the pic.

Could it possibly have been around this church? If so... some person can place Casey at this location.

Ok... here's the pic:

caylee1.jpg

the above ground tanks are a septic system
 
why is leonard searching here tommorow ? is the area hes searching close to this ?

What? He can't be searching here! We don't have permission - maybe he knows someone I don't but I hope he doesn't just go flying in there - private property...
 
No way, not going back tomorrow - what ? You guys think I'm made of steel or what??? Yikes I had the willies for hours!!!!

Sorry no other flip flop pic! Yeah, yeah, somebody "ambassador me" PLEASE!!! All I did was post my theory in an LP thread and WHAM I'm in my car and taking pictures like some Melinda from Ghost Whisperer or something - trying to answer a thousand phone calls while waiting for AAA because I locked my keys in the car - oh yeah IN THE RAIN (for a while anyway)...

No beer bottles or alcohol bottles that I could see in the Hawk's Hollow, lots of weed and grass growth so no maintenance inside here. Did see some Mountain Dew bottles (really old looking). I specifically looked for any evidence that anyone had been in there RECENTLY - like in the past year...This place looked locked in time or something. See the weeds growing around the "stage"? The trash you can see in the pics is not on top of the weeds and brush, most of it is under - means been there a while. Trees/bushes not trimmed (barely see playground over them). No one goes in here - I'm pretty convinced. But if I was a rowdy teen (like I never was ha!), I would LOVE this spot - perfect, never get caught!!!

Remember I told you.... having AAA show up & make a record of the date & time you were there makes your photographs much more reliable for prosecution purposes... IF it comes to that.

It could have been a lucky break.


Flip-flops are light enough to be carried by the a good wind.... the mate could be somewhere in the vegetation. Or they might not have started there..... but somewhere where an irrigation canal/ditch flowed towards this spot?? Who knows..... maybe a one-legged female hangs out there. lol
 
The story:
So I drive over there. I hope to see LP whom I talked to and/or Murt whom I talked to. Figured if they weren't there I would just drive through and leave. Got there and it looks exactly as Google Earth and Google Maps show. Only lots of cars! I couldn't believe the cars! Drove towards the back and noted how I went over the Econ with big ravines on each side of the cross-over.

Lots of people, lots of kids in uniforms - OH! It's a church school - little kids and big kids - sign on a bldg - "High School"..I go further back. Soccer field on right/North. Parking right by playground. Little kids lined up to go out to play. I open car door - no need for fear - tons of people around. No one notices me. I toss car keys on seat while I set phone camera. Little boy about 5 runs up, puts hand on my leg and says "HI, I'm XXXX"!! I'm still in my car he is practically in my lap! I'm shocked. Teacher with line of kids doesn't even notice - YIKES! I told him to go back to class and he shouldn't talk to strangers! I didn't want to scare him but figured this was probably best! Stand up, shut door - OH CRAP - keys still on seat!!!!

Call AAA it will be an hour - Took pics of soccer field, playground and looked for how to get to pond since playground is fenced and locked. Saw to the right the way back - no big deal, couple more pics and walked that way.

Stopped dead in my tracks when I saw the Hawk's Hollow sign. Trying to process this - take photo. Little GIRL (beautiful) runs up and slips her hand into mine. I flip again! Adults everywhere - no one notices. I told her that even though some people look really nice, you still shouldn't talk to anyone that you don't know their name. She looked scared and ran back and climbed in teacher lap. Teacher looks at me, I wave, she waves back. YEESH!

I walk over and peek in Hawk's Hollow - note and take pics of trucks and stuff to right and path to retention pond to left. Hawk's Hollow looks so cool! Obvious no one has been in here in a long time. I enter. Clearing, rotted stumps in front of the "stage" that were probably benches a long time ago. I look around. No one knows I'm here, no one ever would. It's quiet and completely visually blocked from everywhere! Woods all around, all kinds of stuff in woods - take more pics and practically run to the stage. get up on it, peer through the wood cracks - lots of stuff under there. Back side, see a fox skull - yep this place has never been searched! I could climb right under the stage - no I do not, but I could. Too scared of snakes and such to take more than a peek but I am VERY VERY intrigued!! I get the strangest feeling - can't describe. Like I'm right under everyone's nose and they don't even know it!

No way to pond from here but I can see it behind the stage through the bushes. Fence...I go out and down path to pond, take more pics. Really looks like a bench down there on the left but not sure and not going in further. Looks mowed but not really "cared for". As I walk back by the backside of the playground three more kids - 2 girls and a boy come over to the fence individually and start chatting it up with me. I am deeply disturbed at the lack of supervision here even with 2 teachers on the other side of playground. They are chatting with each other and not watching the kids.

Go back to car and look for AAA. Nope, no sign. Starts to rain - what next? I run to a bathroom by the playground - nice and clean and air conditioned...stops raining. I walk to Econ cross-over. Maintenance guy digging by power pole (yeah that's smart!) I say Hi, he nods. I take pics of the ravine from both sides. Two men and a woman pass me individually as I take pictures - say nothing.. here comes AAA....5 mins later I am leaving.

Thoroughly disgusted with the supervision of these beautiful children, sopping wet and even more convinced that this is where she hung out. After 5PM (according to sign that playground closes at 5) , no kids, no school all vacant back there. I could LIVE in that Hawk's Hollow and no one would ever know! Bathroom nearby - heck she could just walk up to the playground and let Caylee play with the other kids and no one would say a word!

Hubby going to file for divorce if I don't get food in the house so I dash to grocery store - marathon dash, doing good until I ran into the Clampet reunion in the middle of the bread aisle! Gotta have the bread - living on sandwiches these days! Slowest cashier in the South and "Walter" the 94 year old bag boy wasn't helping! I'm practically bouncing up and down biting tongue so I don't scream HURRY UP, WSers are waiting!!!

I run outside - pouring rain again!! Rush home, power clean, homemade pizza for dinner, do dishes, let out dogs (they don't even know who I am anymore), here I am...

any questions?

Yes, but too excited or something to even ask them. You went above and beyond the call of duty. You are a Wild Woman!
 
I know most of you dont know me and I dont post alot. But I thought id come read this and as soon as I seen the first pic of the sign hawks hollow I immediately ran into the washroom and started getting sick!!


Why, why, why? Does Hawks Hollow mean something, has KC referenced it, or just a feeling you have?
 
Quick question & I'm not 100% sure this was even the right thread....

That picture of Casey & Caylee carrying a football in some park-like area..... where was THAT taken?

Man! Casey looked PUT OUT that she was stuck with Caylee when she could have been having fun with her friends. She looked positively MISERABLE. Ick.


I wonder WHEN & WHERE that was taken. Who took the pic.

Could it possibly have been around this church? If so... some person can place Casey at this location.

Ok... here's the pic:

caylee1.jpg

LI MOM, I believe this was taken at the Amy Ovieda house... I could be wrong. But if is the Ovieda house, is that near the church? And I am not sure who took this pic.. I know I suck.. hope that helps.
 
What? He can't be searching here! We don't have permission - maybe he knows someone I don't but I hope he doesn't just go flying in there - private property...

I heard he has a bunch of divers going back to Blanchard Park...dont know if it's true though...

I have to work tomorrow - paycheck thing - what a drag!! So no I am not going back there tomorrow!!

Now don't everybody turn this into a Disney attraction or something!!! Just let me work on contacting people tomorrow and we'll see where it goes. But if you wanna go to "Hawk's Hollow" and sleep inside to guard it, go for it - :eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
What? He can't be searching here! We don't have permission - maybe he knows someone I don't but I hope he doesn't just go flying in there - private property...


I meant why ISNT he searching there .I thought you talked to him about it ? How hard is it to get permission ? just call the pastor and ask they may not want it going while children are in school though.
 
LOL - Your logic is what may just solve this. I became queasy just looking at your pictures. I believe this may be the break we have been looking for.

Did you call Yuri? I really believe he needs to be called on this one. I believe the area may need to be "guarded" for the night until we can get someone in there.

Oh carp, sometimes I forget we are not the only ones here:confused:
 
What? He can't be searching here! We don't have permission - maybe he knows someone I don't but I hope he doesn't just go flying in there - private property...


I am on the parking lot thread and they are talking on Murt chat about searching with divers at BP again tomorrow.. not the church area and pond.. no talk of LP or Murt searching this church (yet) cocoa.
 
For all you "vida" freaks: here is a map showing a "vida" area right across the street from this church. Have fun! :)

Looks like the Eastern part of the Econ isn't church property - probably county since it's a natural thingamabob....That might be free for searching - but it was PRETTY STEEP...
 
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