Colborn and Lenk... a couple of questions for experts

[MysticJynx]

Random thought.

Perhaps Colbourn called in the plate, because he was in front of the plate, and not the RAV4?
We do know the plates were removed. However, it does not explain the make/model inquiry.

What was not played in entirety was the AC call. In the transcripts from trial the call is "Can you run Sam William Henry 582, and see if it comes up to (INAUDIBLE)". But if you listen very carefully you hear him say "see if it comes up to that missing person". To me I think he was very much looking at the car when he called in those plates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQv3g2BtC8&feature=youtu.be

Other of the dispatch calls can be found here. http://stevenaverycase.com/phone-calls-between-investigators#sthash.w4M41FPt.sw6bLnLh.dpbs,

 

[missy1974]

I don't recall the temperature that day--Do you Missy? Those country roads are never salted--it very well could have been she hit some black ice and slide, causing the damage.

sorry it defaulted to Celcius because I'm Canadian LOL But this would have been a nice day, above freezing... would have been great for trick or treating!




I think the vehicle was towed there (by SA or whoever), maybe even with just a tow strap, could be that it bumped into the car in front of it (remember it was parked kind of goofy) I have looked for pictures that might show the vehicle in front off to the drivers side but can't find one. (possibly bumping the back passenger of vehicle in front... hope that makes sense LOL)

but wait... that doesn't explain where the wheel well is *sigh*

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Good morning folks!

I know there is a popular theory out there that Manitowoc sheriff's dept framed SA.

If this is to be believed, then it would be safe to assume that Dep. Colburn and Lt. Lenk would have been the main guys to accomplish this frame job.

So my questions are these:

1) Do we know if these two individuals knew each other personally and communicated often?
2) If not, then is it possible that their personal phone records can be pulled from Oct - Nov 2005?
3) If records can be pulled and we see calls made to each others' personal phones... wouldn't that implicate them in a conspiracy against SA... as these two start communicating around Halloween 2005 out of the blue when they wouldn't have any good reason to do so, is extremely suspicious?

I was just thinking about this stuff from SA point of view...

What do you folks think?

Thanks in advance.

I like it! However, someone will say...they conspired in person and not on the phone--there is always someone who will not believe any evidence put before them.

 

[missy1974]

Now, if he had said, I'm going to be looking for a 99 Toyota Rav 4, plate number xxxx, blue/green, female 25 about 5.6", etc etc---this would be a non-issue right? ...or would people speculate that he was standing over the body....LOL

MAYBEEEEEEEE! haha

before anyone posts about how I'm accusing him of killing her now too, I am being sarcastic! please don't reply.

I get what you are saying BCA, and if he had just said that right away, I doubt it would be much of an issue, I think it's the reaction and the lack of explanation when asked that has everyone going hmmmmm.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

sorry it defaulted to Celcius because I'm Canadian LOL But this would have been a nice day, above freezing... would have been great for trick or treating!

I think the vehicle was towed there (by SA or whoever), maybe even with just a tow strap, could be that it bumped into the car in front of it (remember it was parked kind of goofy) I have looked for pictures that might show the vehicle in front off to the drivers side but can't find one. (possibly bumping the back passenger of vehicle in front... hope that makes sense LOL)

but wait... that doesn't explain where the wheel well is *sigh*

LOL...thanks! Ok--scratch that theory--52 degrees for a high and 48 degrees for a low...

 

[dexter75]

Wouldn't the well and other debri be found some where? IF the damage were recent, and no one remembers it being there before this fiasco, that is?

She could have very well hit a deer and not reported it. After all, she lived and worked in a rural area.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Wouldn't the well and other debri be found some where? IF the damage were recent, and no one remembers it being there before this fiasco, that is?

If it was fairly recent--then yes--but since we don't know when that could have happened between the time she bought the car and went missing--she could have very well had gone through the car wash.

The area north of Green Bay is more wooded than down by TH's home (more farm land)--and although I've traveled thru the Fond Du Loc, Appleton, and Oshkosh areas--I'm not as familiar as I am with east and more northeast. I know there is about a 20 mile stretch between Oconto and Peshtigo that is a highly populated deer area--and anything North of Green Bay is fair game for deer especially at night and or at dusk.

 

[dexter75]

I do not understand how one can read your post and NOT scratch their head, even a little.
100% agree Mystic:

Yeah a call by wiegert sending him to STEVE AVERYS because of the bill that was given to him by her GOOD FRIENDS! the bill that was missing 2 of her last calls that day. at least 2 from the morning that day. missing the 1 call an hour from that day and written next to BJ's Number is written STEVEN AVERY! Find it really funny that RH knew to point the police to STEVE Avery and not the Avery salvage yard on Nov 3 2005 when Wiegert first questioned the family, roommate and friends.

:yeahthat:

 

[ElleElle]

What was not played in entirety was the AC call. In the transcripts from trial the call is "Can you run Sam William Henry 582, and see if it comes up to (INAUDIBLE)". But if you listen very carefully you hear him say "see if it comes up to that missing person". To me I think he was very much looking at the car when he called in those plates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BQv3g2BtC8&feature=youtu.be

Other of the dispatch calls can be found here. http://stevenaverycase.com/phone-calls-between-investigators#sthash.w4M41FPt.sw6bLnLh.dpbs,

Wait!

re: Detective Remiker phone call with Investigator Wiegert.

A witness called in to say they believe TH was on the side of the road taking a picture of a cow?

 

[missy1974]

Wait!

re: Detective Remiker phone call with Investigator Wiegert.

A witness called in to say they believe TH was on the side of the road taking a picture of a cow?

uh huh One of them was going to talk to her, we don't know if it was followed up on or not. Or where it was.

I read an article from 2005 or maybe 2007, it was a really nice article about TH and it had some nice memories from her friends. One friend said she called TH one time to come with her to a dairy farm she had to go to for her job, so TH could take photo's. I have not seen any of her photography.... did she take nature shots?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Wait!

re: Detective Remiker phone call with Investigator Wiegert.

A witness called in to say they believe TH was on the side of the road taking a picture of a cow?

So, you think it was possible that Colburn talked to Wiegert and Wiegert was having Colburn check out that possibility when he called in the plates?

 

[Amber29]

Re-direct starts on page 212....which comes after 185, I'm not sure what I'm missing here.

They had a 15 minutes break after that call was played in court. They came back, Strang finished cross-exam and then yes, outside of the jury they took up an issue, brought the jury back and then re-direct.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9dpNu3jLO3tSXpDZlBiSVZraTg/view

Here's the link.

My point was this break was not the one they took right before redirect. That was a bench conference. I'm aware of the break they took during cross. Still doesn't change my mind that his explanation is reasonable as to why he made that call. I understand that some can't see it any other way because for anyone who thinks the police framed SA, this is the very thing that leads that direction. For me though I don't believe that at all. The only thing that will change my mind is direct eveidence that proves involvement in framing. Not assumptions or theories and an opinion about a phone call with nothing else to back that up, is just that.

 

[MysticJynx]

If this officer is who is accused of planting the evidence and framing SA. Why would he make that call? He would know it's being recorded and he would already be very aware of who's license plate that was. Why would he need to verify that license plate in order to frame SA?

Because the framing opportunity came after he found the car. He then had at least 36 hours to do what was needed to the car, key and blood and remove the plates etc.... He had his day off all day Nov 4th.. This is why the plates were removed in my opinion. He knew he called them in. but if they weren't on the car how could he call them in? JMO

 

[Oakland CA]

I can't believe that PD's don't keep a 24/7 record of their dispatch recordings.
Also that they wouldn't know where, through GPS, any of their cruisers are at any given point in time.

I'd think they would require this, if for nothing else the safety of their officers.

If so, why couldn't they establish the exact time of dopey Andy's call as well as his exact location when he made the call?

 

[Madeleine74]

I bet such technology (GPS, knowing where a cruiser or other asset is located) is employed now (2015/16). But back in 2005, in small town America, probably not. I don't know if such technology existed for that specific purpose back then/ it would surprise me if Manitowoc County had such technology in 2005.

 

[dexter75]

Could her SUV have been shot at?

Maybe someone ran her off the road and "accidentally" injured her bad, and had to get rid of her.

BD or ST? IDK.

 

[dexter75]

Well,

it only took 18 years last time.

As far as these two officers.

Lenk, was clearly a part of the TERRIBLE INJUSTICE CAUSED to SA once before.

It is clear to many, also, that LE did have reasons all those years ago just like they do now.

I see often, the frame job seems to complicated. SA version is the OBVIOUS and SIMPLE explanation as all the evidence leads there.

IMO, looking at the big picture, and ALL SA would of had to accomplish seems MUCH more complicated.

My point was this break was not the one they took right before redirect. That was a bench conference. I'm aware of the break they took during cross. Still doesn't change my mind that his explanation is reasonable as to why he made that call. I understand that some can't see it any other way because for anyone who thinks the police framed SA, this is the very thing that leads that direction. For me though I don't believe that at all. The only thing that will change my mind is direct eveidence that proves involvement in framing. Not assumptions or theories and an opinion about a phone call with nothing else to back that up, is just that.

 

[dexter75]

Do you think TH was victim of hit and run?

AC came across her along a back road somewhere, called to confirm.

Someone in LE got a bright idea framing SA wouldn't be difficult.

* They have had a pure hatred for him for years. He made them look terrible all those years ago, the county was about to potentially suffer, not to mention the grudge against the entire Avery family *

Everyone was nervous because they ALL had shady pasts and/or something to hide.

In reality, maybe it was a random hit and run?

It was on from there.

Wait!

re: Detective Remiker phone call with Investigator Wiegert.

A witness called in to say they believe TH was on the side of the road taking a picture of a cow?

 

[TheDuchess]

Do you think TH was victim of hit and run?

AC came across her along a back road somewhere, called to confirm.

Someone in LE got a bright idea framing SA wouldn't be difficult.

* They have had a pure hatred for him for years. He made them look terrible all those years ago, the county was about to potentially suffer, not to mention the grudge against the entire Avery family *

Everyone was nervous because they ALL had shady pasts and/or something to hide.

In reality, maybe it was a random hit and run?

It was on from there.

I don't think so. There would be damage to the car and blood in the driver's seat. There was blood in the cargo area. I think someone killed her and she bled. They put her in the cargo area. I think she was already dead when placed in there because there wasn't a lot of blood. I would bet just the blood from her hair transferred onto the carpet. I believe she was then transported to another location and burned and then her remnants and other items were transferred to the Avery property.

 

[pittie_mcclure]

Do you think TH was victim of hit and run?

AC came across her along a back road somewhere, called to confirm.

Someone in LE got a bright idea framing SA wouldn't be difficult.

* They have had a pure hatred for him for years. He made them look terrible all those years ago, the county was about to potentially suffer, not to mention the grudge against the entire Avery family *

Everyone was nervous because they ALL had shady pasts and/or something to hide.

In reality, maybe it was a random hit and run?

It was on from there.

I've wondered that.. something accidental happened. Or that maybe they stumbled on a crime scene near the quarry and went from there. I do believe whatever happened to beautiful Theresa happened near the Avery Property so it all just made sense in their minds to keep it going and that's why there is no reliable DNA or the likes inside anywhere.