• #41
A medical examiner in Colombia is still working to determine his cause of death.


He was identified via his fingerprints


Officials are scheduled to hold a press conference Saturday afternoon with more details surrounding the grim discovery.

 
  • #42
I have a feeling there are going to be more more elements to this. All IMO, the Devil's Breath does not need to be administered via a drink. Most common usage is powdered on pamphlets you are handed on the street. That causes enough confusion for you to go to a cashpoint or transfer. And leave him.

No reason for him to have been in various places, especially the last.
 
  • #43
His poor partner and his poor family. I can't imagine what they are going through. Losing a loved one to violence in a foreign country must be one of the worst ways to lose someone you care about. :(

My understanding is that Medellin became quite popular with digital nomads over the past decade or so, with lots of cool cafes, restaurants, clubs and a good art scene. There are good weekend escapes to the beautiful 'coffee triangle'. But, unfortunately violent crime as increased over the past few years. I presume that Seni could provide us with more insight.

Of course this particular case might be a one-off. Fernando (who seems to originally been from El Salvador) would have been wise to the Latin American 'scene', so I presume he was reasonably street smart. I wonder what happened. So sad!
 
  • #44
He was in the city as part of his professional work and went out to a public establishment with some co-workers, also accompanied by another man and a woman. The first establishment they went to was located in Medellín; from there, he and the woman left together with other people for another establishment in the city of Itagüí. After leaving this last place, no more information was obtained about his whereabouts. The woman returned to the hotel where they were staying; however, she arrived somewhat disoriented. She has been receiving support from both the Ministry of Health, the police, with all their resources and the Prosecutor's Office in order to determine what really happened," said Manuel Villa Mejía, Secretary of Security of Medellín.

 
  • #45
His poor partner and his poor family. I can't imagine what they are going through. Losing a loved one to violence in a foreign country must be one of the worst ways to lose someone you care about. :(

My understanding is that Medellin became quite popular with digital nomads over the past decade or so, with lots of cool cafes, restaurants, clubs and a good art scene. There are good weekend escapes to the beautiful 'coffee triangle'. But, unfortunately violent crime as increased over the past few years. I presume that Seni could provide us with more insight.

Of course this particular case might be a one-off. Fernando (who seems to originally been from El Salvador) would have been wise to the Latin American 'scene', so I presume he was reasonably street smart. I wonder what happened. So sad!
Yes @ Snoopster, I tend to agree that this will have been a one off where Fernando found himself ina very unsafe environment at a time where few people would have been around.

But, I would disagree that cities such as Medellín have become unsafer. First came here in 93 to evaluate EU projects. At that time, the country was in the grip of the cartels, especially that of Pablo Escobar. There were bombs and bomb scares, the kidnapping of foreigners was a real threat. You could not travel across country for fear of being held up by criminals, La Pesca Milagrosa, as they held up cars and buses and robbed or forced occupants to get cash from ATMs. As well as Guerrilla and paramilitaries. It was scary. (Anyway, since been back many times and have lived and worked here since 1998, husband is Colombian).

Nowadays it is a different story. Colombia is very popular, particularly with European tourists because of spectacular mountains, coastline and beaches, the Amazon, the Llanos, the coffee growing region.

Medellín is the most modern thriving city here and, as you say, has a trendy nightlife, is famous for clubbing etc. The top spots must be very expensive and where there is money, there will be people trying to take advantage.

Whilst I say that IME, security has improved wildly, I would be the first person to agree that Colombia is not a "safe" destination, but this situation can be mitigated or aggravated by the particular circumstances, knowing where not to go, the timing etc.

And if you are on a brief stopover and are not familiar with the city, are alone, it doesnt matter whether you blend in with locals in terms of looks and language. It just takes one bad egg with evil intentions to take advantage..
 
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  • #46
Yes @ Snoopster, I tend to agree that this will have been a one off where Fernando found himself ina very unsafe environment at a time where few people would have been around.

But, I would disagree that cities such as Medellín have become unsafer. First came here in 93 to evaluate EU projects. At that time, the country was in the grip of the cartels, especially that of Pablo Escobar. There were bombs and bomb scares, the kidnapping of foreigners was a real threat. You could not travel across country for fear of being held up by criminals, La Pesca Milagrosa, as they held up cars and buses and robbed or forced occupants to get cash from ATMs. As well as Guerrilla and paramilitaries. It was scary. (Anyway, since been back many times and have lived and worked here since 1998, husband is Colombian).

Nowadays it is a different story. Colombia is very popular, particularly with European tourists because of spectacular mountains, coastline and beaches, the Amazon, the Llanos, the coffee growing region.

Medellín is the most modern thriving city here and, as you say, has a trendy nightlife, is famous for clubbing etc. The top spots must be very expensive and where there is money, there will be people trying to take advantage.

Whilst I say that IME, security has improved wildly, I would be the first person to agree that Colombia is not a "safe" destination, but this situation can be mitigated or aggravated by the particular circumstances, knowing where not to go, the timing etc.

And if you are on a brief stopover and are not familiar with the city, are alone, it doesnt matter whether you blend in with locals in terms of looks and language. It just takes one bad egg with evil intentions to take advantage..
Thank you so much for sharing your insight!

And, yes, many of us from Norte America aren't very smart or alert to danger. (I'd put myself solidly in the 'alert to danger' bucket.) But Fernando would supposedly be aware of the dangers, wouldn't he?

I became completely enamored with Medellin several years ago, but then I paused. I was measuring things by my Canadian standards. I think I should be less naive, but I don't want to give up on humanity.
 
  • #48
Where is safe anywhere at 3 or 5 a.m.?

Did AA issue security warnings to staff? Did they arrange for hotels?

Can airline staff go out drinking the night before a flight?
 
  • #49
So what was the goal of the perpetrators? Simple robbery? Kidnapping?

But it seems that Fernando was killed, so the kidnapping for money aspect seems out of the question. Unless there was a 'mishap'.
 
  • #50
  • #51
Where is safe anywhere at 3 or 5 a.m.?

Did AA issue security warnings to staff? Did they arrange for hotels?

Can airline staff go out drinking the night before a flight?
I was an airline pilot for 20 years. Security Warnings for applicable countries were always made available to crews. Hotels were pre arranged and crews pretty much stayed at the same hotels in each city for each trip. (The hotels would usually offer a block of rooms to the airline at a discount for nightly guaranteed guests). So with rare exception we always knew where we would be staying and had often been there before.

Drinking limitations for crewmembers is well defined. The FAA regulation is 8 hours "bottle to throttle" for pilotsbut some airlines make that 12 hours or more. For flight attendants, the airlines may have their individual rules but they will meet or exceed the FAA regulations as even if they are not piloting the plane flight attendants are an essential safety position which require mental and physical abilities without impairment. Unless it's changed since I retired, American Airlines flight attendants are strictly prohibited from consuming alcohol while on duty, within 8 hours prior to duty, or having a blood alcohol concentration of 0.04 or higher. (and crews do get alcohol tested randomly, not a LOT, I got tested maybe 4 times in 20 years, but it's always a possibility).
 
  • #52
Thank you Grace, always appreciate you first hand experience and info.

So, if you are crew on the route Miami-Medellín- Miami, approx 3 hrs 20 minutes each way, would you do the return journey in the same day? Lets say flight leaves Miami at 10 a.m and returns from Medellín at 2 or 3 p.m. Wouldnt8 the same crew do that and remain at the airport in the meantime?

The layover would seem to occur because Fernando was on the latest and earliest flights in and out for that route (we dont know the exact times) and he needs to get some rest for doing the "night shift", I think time zones are compatible.

He did not rest, chose to go out, but in my humble opinion, was led into some form of exploitation.
 
  • #53
Thank you Grace, always appreciate you first hand experience and info.

So, if you are crew on the route Miami-Medellín- Miami, approx 3 hrs 20 minutes each way, would you do the return journey in the same day? Lets say flight leaves Miami at 10 a.m and returns from Medellín at 2 or 3 p.m. Wouldnt8 the same crew do that and remain at the airport in the meantime?

The layover would seem to occur because Fernando was on the latest and earliest flights in and out for that route (we dont know the exact times) and he needs to get some rest for doing the "night shift", I think time zones are compatible.

He did not rest, chose to go out, but in my humble opinion, was led into some form of exploitation.
You are welcome, Seni - The regulations for rest under 14 CFR part 117 are for FLIGHT crew. The regs changed a few years back to accommodate time zones and carcadian rythems etc. and are a lot more complex than they were when I was flying. But here are the basics as I know:

"Flight" time starts when the airplane pushes back from the departure gate (when the parking brake is released it sends a signal to a system within the aircraft that then logs it). Flight time ends when the parking brake is set on arrival at the gate, so for the crew, time spent waiting for takeoff, or a parking spot on arrival is considered their "flight" time on which rest (and pay) is based. (Which is why people see the hourly wage for crew and say it's so high not realizing they don't get paid for preflight and post flight duties, time between flights waiting to swap planes, checking weather etc., maintenance and weather delays, etc. ONLY when that airplane is moving.

DUTY time (or duty period) is when you are scheduled to arrive for your shift and the time you are released from your assignment. If you are required to remain at the airport between flight sequences, you are NOT at rest and are considered on duty and those hours count towards your (typical) 14-hour duty day maximum.

Flight Attendants are considered CABIN crewmembers and don't fall under Part 117. However, 14 CFR §121.467 mandates that flight attendants receive equivalent rest periods to flightcrew. The specifics are here: Federal Register :: Request Access
The key Part of Part 117 Rest Requirements (Applied to Flight Attendants) that would be applicable to Fernando (based on regulations, NOT specific American protocols which could allow for more rest, but not less).
• Pre-Duty Rest: Flight attendants must receive at least 10 consecutive hours of rest prior to a scheduled flight duty period (FDP) or reserve assignment, which must include an 8-hour uninterrupted sleep opportunity.
• Time Zone Re-acclimation: Following a trip that crosses 60° longitude or more, crew members must receive 56 consecutive hours of rest at their home base.

Since crews can be scheduled for and DO regularly reach a 14-hour duty day, having just a single 3 hour 20 minute flight in a duty period would be unusual but not rare. I used to do a trip that was LAX to SFO, then back, and that was it for the day. But those were mixed in with days of 4 round trips between Reno and SFO (grueling shift in the winter) with "quick turns" in a single shift. Chances are, Fernando's crew flew another leg prior to the Miami Medilin one, OR, after their overnight and flight back to the US planned for the next day would fly an extra leg or two domestically.

I have flown many flights where if there was just a few flights to that destination we'd crew the last one in and the first one out Though not as common, if there were several flights a day to that destination, you could arrive late, and a crew that landed in the afternoon (well before you) would take that early morning flight out and you'd then leave in the afternoon, giving you a 12-16 hour layover (rest period). I've not read what time he was actually scheduled to report for duty. It could have been morning, but it could also have been afternoon.

In any case, with anything less than a 12+ hour layover going out to "party" is not the norm. Even with longer layovers we might have an extra drink or two and stay up later, but most crewmembers stayed at the hotel or went to a nearby restaurant and kept to a schedule which helped make rest in varying hotels and time zones easier on the body. He may have well just planned for that extra time out but still time to get some rest, not figuring he would be a victim of a crime.
 

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