Congressman Mark Foley resigned

nanandjim · Sep 30, 2006

Pedro said:
...We can't blame sex for the lies of the GOP, their cover up for Foley's actions and those actions...

Oh, please, Pedro, don't politicize this. There are perverts and coverups concerning sex on both sides of the fence.

Marthatex · Sep 30, 2006

sex addiction and pedophilia can be homosexual or heterosexual. Usually Men seem to have it; are we going to generalize it to the entire male population?

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

nanandjim said:
Oh, please, Pedro, don't politicize this. There are perverts and coverups concerning sex on both sides of the fence.

Yeah? Please tell me of any cover up concerning sex with a MINOR before this. Also who impeached our previous President for having sex with a consenting adult?

Sure Foley voted to impeach.

When a democratic elected official has sexual activities out of marriage, he gets impeached, when a republican has sexual activities with a children they cover up for him.

I don't politicize anything, they did.

Remember the Governor of New Jersey?

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

Marthatex said:
sex addiction and pedophilia can be homosexual or heterosexual. Usually Men seem to have it; are we going to generalize it to the entire male population?

Absolutely correct, but have no doubt, the GOP will use this to further attack gay people instead of focusing in the cover up by its own leadership.

nanandjim · Sep 30, 2006

Pedro said:
Absolutely correct, but have no doubt, the GOP will use this to further attack gay people instead of focusing in the cover up by its own leadership.

Sorry, but I believe that you have fallen into the stereotypes that the Democrats want you to believe about Republicans. There are just as many gay bashers on the Democratic side as their is on the Republican side of the house.

Don't get me wrong. If there was a coverup, I think that it should be exposed.

nanandjim · Sep 30, 2006

Pedro said:
...who impeached our previous President for having sex with a consenting adult?...Remember the Governor of New Jersey?

You need to actually educate yourself on the issues on which you commented in this post. They are not as you state them.

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

nanandjim said:
Sorry, but I believe that you have fallen into the stereotypes that the Democrats want you to believe about Republicans. There are just as many gay bashers on the Democratic side as their is on the Republican side of the house.

Don't get me wrong. If there was a coverup, I think that it should be exposed.

That is incorrect, I direct you to the congressional record for the evaluation of their votes and also to the congressional watchdogs.

Gay bashing is an strategy created and crafted on its current form by Karl Rove in the mid 80's to attract the vote of conservative evangelicals not unlike the "southern strategy" crafted by Kevin Phillips for Nixon and from which the gay bashing is a component also. It was created to end the influence of Goldwater and Rockefeller republicans.

reportertype · Sep 30, 2006

There's a difference between a gay man and someone like Mark Foley. He may have dated men in the past, but I suspect that was more of a means to an end or to hide his real preference, which is young boys.

I've known some gay men in their 20s who thought some teens they knew were attractive, but would never even consider dating them until they were of age.

reportertype · Sep 30, 2006

Also, gay bashing has been around LONG before the 80s. Stonewall, anyone? I believe the upsurgence in "gays are bad" in the 80s was probably due to the AIDS epidemic, which was at first considered a gay disease. I was fairly young then, but I'd hazard a guess that very few politicians of any stripe came out in support of gay people.

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

nanandjim said:
You need to actually educate yourself on the issues on which you commented in this post. They are not as you state them.

So start now, educate me about the meetings in the late 50's and early 60's betwee Phillips and the rest of the "Klan"...go ahead and try. Tell me about their disagreement and the birth of the "southern strategy" which contains mostly bigotry against minorities and gays people and favors christian cults of dubious theological value. Also talk to me about Storm T...turned republican after democrats passed the civil rights act...go ahead, please, enlighten me!

Yes, the issues are just as I portray them, just don't like them because like most moral issues should be applied to all and that is what I am doing.

The Governor of the State of New Jersey resigned amid his affair with a man, President Clinton was impeached amid his affair with a woman.

The leadership of the GOP in the house knew since a year ago about this sexual activity between a member of its caucus and a minor and did nothing about it. What do you call that? I call it cover up, double standard and hypocrisy.

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

reportertype said:
Also, gay bashing has been around LONG before the 80s. Stonewall, anyone? I believe the upsurgence in "gays are bad" in the 80s was probably due to the AIDS epidemic, which was at first considered a gay disease. I was fairly young then, but I'd hazard a guess that very few politicians of any stripe came out in support of gay people.

That is right, but it becomes part of the political strategy in the early 60's within the southern strategy.

Annie · Sep 30, 2006

http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=204304&keyword=&phrase=&contain=

This is from a speech in August. He had to have known about the e-mails being investigated at the time. He should have come clean in the beginning and faced the consequences.

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

Annie said:
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=204304&keyword=&phrase=&contain=

This is from a speech in August. He had to have known about the e-mails being investigated at the time. He should have come clean in the beginning and faced the consequences.

In an election year with the House at stake? I don't think so.

The leadership should have removed him last year and that wold have resolve the political problem they face now.

nanandjim · Sep 30, 2006

Pedro said:
That is incorrect, I direct you to the congressional record for the evaluation of their votes and also to the congressional watchdogs.

Gay bashing is an strategy created and crafted on its current form by Karl Rove in the mid 80's to attract the vote of conservative evangelicals not unlike the "southern strategy" crafted by Kevin Phillips for Nixon and from which the gay bashing is a component also. It was created to end the influence of Goldwater and Rockefeller republicans.

Look, Pedro, I am not going to spend my time arguing with you. You obviously have a bone to pick with giving only partial information to substantiate your viewpoints. Adios and the best of luck to you.

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

nanandjim said:
Look, Pedro, I am not going to spend my time arguing with you. You obviously have a bone to pick with giving only partial information to substantiate your viewpoints. Adios and the best of luck to you.

Where is the partial information within the congressional record of the house to where I directed you?

Where is the partial information about the sexual activities of Foley with a minor and the content of some of those messages?

Where is the partial information when the Speaker of the House (R-IL ) Dennis Hastert and the House Majority Leader (R-OH) John Boehner said they knew about this for a year now and just ask Foley to end the contacts?

So tell me, what information I wrote which is not accurate or is partial?

I can't find any excuse for having sexual activities with a child and even less to cover up for it, some republicans obviously do.

Yes, adios, you don't like rules which apply to all.

Annie · Sep 30, 2006

Something like this is wrong, but I don't think it is the fault of the political party. When people get it in their head to do something like this, it isn't the party doing it. It is one individual who does it and is responsible for it.

SadieMae · Sep 30, 2006

Annie said:
Something like this is wrong, but I don't think it is the fault of the political party. When people get it in their head to do something like this, it isn't the party doing it. It is one individual who does it and is responsible for it.

AMEN!!!! :clap: :clap:

Pedro · Sep 30, 2006

Annie said:
Something like this is wrong, but I don't think it is the fault of the political party. When people get it in their head to do something like this, it isn't the party doing it. It is one individual who does it and is responsible for it.

Agreed but why he wasn't ask to resign, reported to the Hill police and removed from the missing and exploited children caucus a year ago? Now that is politics and the GOP's politics.

SadieMae · Sep 30, 2006

Pedro said:
Agreed but why he wasn't ask to resign, reported to the Hill police and removed from the missing and exploited children caucus a year ago? Now that is politics and the GOP's politics.

That was my earlier question. If they knew why didn't they get him out. I really think it's more of the "good 'ole boys" club situation more than GOP politics. And maybe he knew about their dirty laundry too! Yeah, kinda like "cast the first stone".

Masterj · Sep 30, 2006

nanandjim said:
Sorry, but I believe that you have fallen into the stereotypes that the Democrats want you to believe about Republicans. There are just as many gay bashers on the Democratic side as their is on the Republican side of the house.

Don't get me wrong. If there was a coverup, I think that it should be exposed.

I agree with the point you are trying to make to Pedro. However, I hope you see that in this post you are doing EXACTLY what you accuse Pedro of doing! Your second sentence is dead on but the by saying "the Democrats want you to believe about Republicans" you fall into the same generic stereotyping that Pedro was doing.

Bottom line - in any political party you can find your share of pedophiles, drug abusers, cheaters, etc. Just as in any political party you can find your share of caring individuals who legitimately want to help steer this country in the right direction. We are not helping the state of our country by furthering this division between our parties. Democrats, Republicans, Conservatives, Liberals - those are not bad words and should not be used as insults. Are we really so stunted intellectually that when we disagree with each other politically that we revert to our 4 year old selves and hurl these names as if they are insults? The political battle lines we have used to split our country are only going to lead to failure if we don't get back on track, unite and start focusing on what is important to ALL OF US.

Such as getting pervs like Mark Foley away from our children.

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