Congressman Mark Foley resigned

[Marthatex]

That happens for two reasons:

1. - The GOP is trying hard to separate themselves from the issue, anything they said will look like a justification.

2. - The democrats think there is a good chance to capitalize in the story by moving the issue beyond Foley and into the leadership of the GOP in the house.

See, oil prices went down, so this is a treat.

Politics, just that, nothing personal.

However I can tell you that I see no reason to keep Foley on that caucus, I can only compare the behaviour of the leadership of the GOP to that of the leadership of the Catholic Church in the US.

I can definitely see an analogy there.

It's definitely a bone to chew, as several top leaders may be proved to be dishonest; about a subject dear to their base - "family values, etc."

You take a supervisor of any school or business in this United States, and I can't imagine any competent one looking the other way from this type of illicit behavior.

 

[Pedro]

I can definitely see an analogy there.

It's definitely a bone to chew, as several top leaders may be proved to be dishonest; about a subject dear to their base - "family values, etc."

You take a supervisor of any school or business in this United States, and I can't imagine any competent one looking the other way from this type of illicit behavior.

Exactly, tomorrow in the talk shows and Monday we'll have an outcry for family values, against the GOP's cover up and for a return of morals to the public life.

Indicted Tom Delay and his convicted associates, the 400 contacts between Abrm. and the WH and anything else available.

Don't you love election years? Just wait for the 527's TV add targeting Foley and the GOP's cover up...

 

[IdahoMom]

Exactly, tomorrow in the talk shows and Monday we'll have an outcry for family values, against the GOP's cover up and for a return of morals to the public life.

Indicted Tom Delay and his convicted associates, the 400 contacts between Abrm. and the WH and anything else available.

Don't you love election years? Just wait for the 527's TV add targeting Foley and the GOP's cover up...

Can you please knock it off? Save the bash for the Political Pavilion. I'm a Republican and I am not a member of the 527 club plus I have stated I want to see the book thrown at the pervert. Several other Conservatives have spoken out against Foley, and you just keep spinning the political end of it.

IMO, most politicians are hypocrites!

 

[Pedro]

Can you please knock it off? Save the bash for the Political Pavilion. I'm a Republican and I am not a member of the 527 club plus I have stated I want to see the book thrown at the pervert. Several other Conservatives have spoken out against Foley, and you just keep spinning the political end of it.

Sure, as soon as you explain me why the leadership of the GOP in The House kept Foley in the missing and exploited children caucus after they knew what he was doing.

I am not spinning, you are. It will be nice to just blame Foley and not those who kept him there instead of having him removed.

Sorry, your mess, clean it up!

 

[Pedro]

For those who doubt of my information.

From Roll Call:

Reynolds Informed Hastert of Allegations Against Foley

Saturday, Sept. 30; 4:39 pm

National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds (N.Y.) issued a statement Saturday in which he said that he had informed Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) of allegations of improper contacts between then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) and at least one former male page, contradicting earlier statements from Hastert.

GOP sources said Reynolds told Hastert earlier in 2006, shortly after the February GOP leadership elections. Hastert's response to Reynolds' warning remains unclear.

Hastert's staff insisted Friday night that he was not told of the Foley allegations and are scrambling to respond to Reynolds' statement.

Following is the text of that statement.

"Rodney Alexander brought to my attention the existence of e-mails between Mark Foley and a former page of Mr. [Rodney Alexander's [R-La.]. Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn't want the matter pursued, I told the Speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me.

"Mr. Alexander has also said he took the matter to the Clerk of the House. An investigation was then conducted by the Clerk and [Illinois GOP Rep.] John Shimkus on behalf of the House Page Board.

"Mark Foley betrayed the integrity of this institution as well as the trust of his colleagues and constituents. There is no excuse, and he needs to be held accountable."

Bold mine.

 

[southcitymom]

Can you please knock it off? Save the bash for the Political Pavilion. I'm a Republican and I am not a member of the 527 club plus I have stated I want to see the book thrown at the pervert. Several other Conservatives have spoken out against Foley, and you just keep spinning the political end of it.

IMO, most politicians are hypocrites!

Amen. The difference between a Republican and a Democrat is like the difference between a crack addict and a heroin addict. Good luck to us all as we try to choose b/w the lesser of those two evils...

 

[HeartofTexas]

I think the larger problem (IMO) is that many Washington politicians have some kind of illicit sex scandal to hide themselves... so they would be the last to "out" a fellow politician, for fear their own sex scandal would be the next to be revealed. There are certainly a few good ones, but I think in general they are pretty sleezy. I wish someone would clean up, or clean out, the whole mess and just start over. Then maybe there would be some REAL "family values" instead of just lip service about it.

 

[HeartofTexas]

BTW, in my previous post, I didn't mean to imply in any way that the illicit sex scandals most politicians are hiding from are with underage children. I was just talking about sex in general... having affairs, seeking out a prostitute, etc.

 

[Details]

It's really true, and really sad that there are so many issues that they can't tell the truth about the minor stuff, so they maybe end up in mutual blackmail that may hide serious and real problems.

Foley wanted to run for higher office, but rumors he was gay (sad he had to hide that in order to be in office) kept him from that. An affair, or even a rumor of one, all kinds of minor things that you or I wouldn't have to worry about, politicians need to keep hidden because the media and puritans won't stop digging and making a huge deal about even an appearance of minor impropriety. So, politicians must pretend to be June and Ward Cleaver. We need to get back to the idea of private lives, and stop salivating over things that are not illegal - consentual sex, even if an affair, is a matter for the two people involved, and any spouses. Sexual harassment, rape, pedophelia - those should not be kept private in the least. But right now, those are all mixed together - the consentual and the sick are equally career destroying and equally in the closet.

 

[Straitfan]

Hey

Does anywho have an email address for him? Went to his web site, no address there.. Just want to BOMBARD him with my little opinion!! :twocents: Hope they stick him in a swamp in Fl and let the aligators attack him along with ALL the other pediophles (man, my dictionary must be old, didn't have spelling for that word/term)

I don't care what side of the fence he is on, has absolutely nothing to do with politics.. He is a creep/disgusting thing?!?!. If anyone an email addy for him, please post. Thanks

 

[Straitfan]

Sorry Details,


I disagree with you re: politicans.. THEY SHOULD be the Cleavers and if they can't, don't go there. They are elected to represent.. if you are not the most upstanding human, by all means move over and give it to the person that is.. Sorry, not agreeing with it, you want to be non-discreet average Joe, then stay an average Joe... I have done things wrong in my life but if one does not have any integrity, you don't stand a chance with me.. Bill Clinton, getting a bj in the whitehouse, nope that is just PLAIN and SIMPLE wrong!! If they want to do those things, stay home.. period...............They KNOW going in their life becames PUBLIC and should... It's their chose, which only makes them WORSE humans because they knew it and dont care!!!!

 

[Details]

Lots of good people are not the Cleavers. Maybe they are gay. Maybe they are single. Maybe they and their wife/husband have some sort of arrangement or open marriage. Or maybe their marriage is a mistake they get a divorce. What should be important is how good they are as a politician. The private life should be private, unless it involves a crime.

And the most upstanding moral person may be a lousy politician - they may not want to do it, they may not be good with power politics, they may and often do have a problem understanding how some people who are not upstanding and moral think (and since most laws involve those people, it's vital to understand more of life than just the good side of town).

I want the person in office who is the best possible at the job. Their personal life may have some impact on it if they are pedophile or some other bit, but aside from that it doesn't matter, so long as they will work to get good laws passed.


I've had a very boring life, don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs, am not remotely or slightly pormiscuous - boring. Got married, got pregnant, had baby, living happily ever after. But if I were in a campaign, I can think of some things that could be turned into a nice slimy campaign against me - and it's nothing immoral, nothing unethical, nothing criminal, nothing wrong at all, but we're just so weird about all this sex stuff that it's easy to take advantage of it and spin normal behavior into a sex scandal.

 

[Straitfan]

I hear you Details,

Guess for me it comes down to morals, if one has morals, pedofile / (not going with the open marriage in politics, sorry! ) doesn't cut it. Hiring illegeal help to save your almighty $ , doesnt cut it. It is not a moral decision.. Our children see these issues on TV, how does one tell an 8 - 9 yr old, honey, the Prez just let his pants down, bad decision on his part.. We have a hugh amount of problems in this country and our young are overall deteriorating, we have to do something to change it. And it is not just the children, our whole life/opionions about what is "ok" is going downhill. I am not referring to being gay, while I have my own opinion about that I also do not base/nor judge on that as I myself do not understand all the how/whys etc. and have alot of friends that are gay.. But when one represents themselves as "Hey married, Senator, pedifile.. (cant sp) I have serious issues with that because that effects the core of society whether one admits it or not. And the problem is it is not just short term that these "issues" are impacting but it is our everyday life, as well as has we are treating others..

 

[Details]

You know - I did say I wasn't talking about illegal stuff - so I'm not saying either that a pedophile is OK - nor hiring illegals or whatever.

But things that aren't illegal - I don't think it's any of our business.

Our children see these issues on TV, how does one tell an 8 - 9 yr old, honey, the Prez just let his pants down, bad decision on his part.

We don't tell kids about what married couples do behind closed doors - you wouldn't be talking to your kids about how the Prez had a from his wife - that's just as much of a thing you don't want to discuss w/ kids - why are we talking about it when it's someone else?

 

[Straitfan]

I would not have discussed it with my kids but given the fact that it was on the news day in/day out for someone to hide it from children is unrealistic.. I am not overall attempting to argue politics..Guess my bottom line (and I am very happy my kids are 20 and 22) and not small, is our society is extremely way out of control and the more we "accept as acceptable" the worse it is getting. I am not some "old person: though I will say life was much better in my young days so I have no doubt someone who might be considered real old probably had an overall better life. My end of story is we as an "overall society" have became "not good.. bottom line, the life the young have facing them is messed up to say the least. And the reasons are many.

 

[Details]

To me, that is the problem - not that something sexual happened, but that it was broadcast on the news 24/7, when it was not a crime. It'd be just as disgusting and inappropriate had they broadcast the same thing about a single man, or about a married man when the woman was his wife.

 

[Details]

....so I have no doubt someone who might be considered real old probably had an overall better life. My end of story is we as an "overall society" have became "not good.. bottom line, the life the young have facing them is messed up to say the least. And the reasons are many.

You might discuss that with my grandmother - who is real old - and would definitely not say the same thing. She doesn't approve of all of the changes, but there are some major things that we take for granted that she had to grow up with.

 

[Straitfan]

Guess I didn't do a good job of clarifying my "overall point"so, we can leave it at that.. Have a great rest of your weekend!

 

[mjak]

Yes, he is not married. Don't get me wrong, I had no problem with the man before this, it is a very sad story and I am sure he couldn't help himself./QUOTE]


This is very dangerous thinking in my opnion. An adult CAN help himself, a two year old can not help themselves. If he had these compulsions, then he needed to get help. Go see a therapist, doctor, lock himself in his home with no computeror phone, get himself castrated for goodness sake !!! Just do something!!. He CHOSE not to help himself. I am quite certain he could help himself!!!!

mjak

 

[Pedro]

Yes, he is not married. Don't get me wrong, I had no problem with the man before this, it is a very sad story and I am sure he couldn't help himself./QUOTE]


This is very dangerous thinking in my opnion. An adult CAN help himself, a two year old can not help themselves. If he had these compulsions, then he needed to get help. Go see a therapist, doctor, lock himself in his home with no computeror phone, get himself castrated for goodness sake !!! Just do something!!. He CHOSE not to help himself. I am quite certain he could help himself!!!!

mjak

My tongue was coming all the way through my cheek amid the support for this alleged pedophile by the leadership of the House.