Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #10

[Elley Mae]

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Conn. AG: State isn't liable for school shooting

 

[Isabelle]

Madmen capable of massive carnage will always exist, so will schools with children. There must be a solution, we dan't let the madmen win!

 

[time]

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Conn. AG: State isn't liable for school shooting

Good!! Thanks for posting.

 

[popsicle]

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Conn. AG: State isn't liable for school shooting

Don't you think he maybe filed against the state so that it doesn't look so bad when he now files against the school system? just wondering

 

[gngr~snap]

The post was completed on 12/16, as noted in media information, the family designated, responsible funeral director took possession of the body on 12/27 (inclusive of "holiday" dates). Bodies have remained on site longer while arrangements are completed.
:rocker: As is the policy of the OCME, NO SPECIFICS regarding the identification of the parties involved are released. :rocker:

Confirmation/verification of the responsible parties as presented by the media was done by a "family spokesperson".
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-adam-lanza-newtown-20121230,0,561090.story

:twocents: :twocents: If I may: the quote applied to H. Wayne Carver, M. D. is an example of the fact that he answers questions as presented in his own style & truthfully! "Connecticut Chief State Medical Examiner H. Wayne Carver, confirmed that Lanza's body is "finally gone"." and as previously noted by me, he is NOT a politician! but what you see.....is what you get! :twocents: :twocents:

:waitasec: Also note that the manner of the phrasing of the article, "The body of Newtown, Conn., shooter (name edit by me!) was claimed by his father last week " makes it appear that PL drove up to Farmington and physically took possession...........NO WAY!

MAYBE the "body" is finally "gone" as in, it was cremated?
PL could have driven and taken possession of cremains???
Couldn't he?

:twocents:
Just a thought.

 

[bourne]

I'd be curious to know who would foot the bill on arming the thousands of schools in this country. I also don't think doing that prevents something like this from happening.

The townspeople whose children attend the schools should be willing to fork up the funds in tax dollars to safeguard their schools and their own children. Hiring one armed retired police officer is a lot cheaper than changing the entire infrastructure of schools (e.g., revamping school windows, doors, new alarm systems, etc.).

 

[bourne]

The problem with putting armed security at all schools is that's all nice talk until the first incident where people die in a place (school or otherwise) where there was armed security, then the conversation shifts to 'why are we paying for armed security when it couldn't prevent this thing'.

My thought is unless this country becomes some sort of police state, where you have security armed with rifles at every single public place you can think of, there will never be prevention against this sort of thing. Someone who had it in their head to cause destruction and terror will find a way.

Why would having an armed retired police officer in a school be any more dangerous than having armed police officers guarding the public streets and our neighborhoods?

We're talking about retired police officers who were specifically trained to carry and use guns when necessary, and specifically trained to protect the public -- adults and children alike -- and who have had real life experience charged with this responsibility throughout their careers. We're not talking about arming civilians or teachers.

 

[bourne]

Exactly. And Columbine did have an armed guard, little good did that do.

I'm glad you brought this up. Here are some incidents in which armed retired and off-duty police officers did make a difference.

"Armed interventions by retired and off-duty police officers, who have been trained to react, are more common. When a shooter entered an AT&T store in 2010 in a small New York town with a list of six employees he planned to kill and shot one of them, a shopper who was an off-duty officer drew his .40 caliber handgun and killed the man."

"A 2007 rampage in Trolley Square, Utah, was put to an end after an officer, who was on a date with his wife, engaged the man in a shootout. The off-duty officer kept the 18-year-old shooter pinned down until more police arrived and killed the shooter."

"In a 2006 school shooting, London Ivey, a school resource officer; and Russ LeBlanc, a former state trooper and driver’s ed teacher, confronted a Columbine-obsessed attacker in North Carolina who was firing at cars outside the school and had killed his father that day. Armed with his pistol, Ivey ordered the student to drop his weapons, and LeBlanc (who was unarmed) put him in handcuffs. In another oft-cited example, a student who opened fire at the Appalachian School of Law in 2002 was brought down by a group of law students who were trained as police officers. Two of the students had armed themselves during the shooting and were involved in subduing the gunman, though there are differing accounts of exactly what role the arms played in the confrontation."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...hootings_examples_of_armed_interventions.html

 

[human]

The townspeople whose children attend the schools should be willing to fork up the funds in tax dollars to safeguard their schools and their own children. Hiring one armed retired police officer is a lot cheaper than changing the entire infrastructure of schools (e.g., revamping school windows, doors, new alarm systems, etc.).

Maybe some towns have one school. But most places have more than one school.

I do not see how you could get by with one. Lunch, bathroom, sick days.

Then some schools are so spread out.

What do you suggest for playground time, after school activities, things such as sporting events, the prom, etc.

I do not know why police officers who made a good salary would want to work for little pay.

 

[bourne]

At my school where I teach, lockdowns are practiced so many times per year (I forget how many) During these drills the teacher must lock and close the door, cover the window in the door, gather the children and huddle them into their planned spot and pray that everyone cooperates, close the window coverings, shut off the lights and calm the children to remain silent. This all must take place in a very rushed few seconds. This is a very stressful time, even when it is a practice.

From my practices prior to Dec 14th, when it was announced over the intercom that we were in lockdown mode, I never had my key readily available. I usually wear it around my neck, however the past 2 times we had a drill, I took the key off from around my neck as it was in the way of an activity that I was doing with the kids. I placed it on my desk. During the mad rush of when the drill was announced, I forgot where I placed it and had to scramble to find it. I realize now, how important these few seconds are!!!!

Since Dec 14th I have changed things in my classroom, I now always keep our classroom door locked at all times, this saves the time of finding my key and getting that door locked. I taped black construction paper on the door window and leave it there permanently. We used to huddle behind my desk in the corner, I realize now that this spot is not good enough. I cleaned out a walk in closet to make room for the class to squeeze into. These actions done permanently will save me a few seconds and give me more time to calm the children and move them into the closet. I just hope I can be as calm as some of the teachers that we have read about from Sandy Hook. Just from reading the tidbits in the media....I have learned alot!!!!!

Listening to your descriptions here of a lock-down makes your school sound like a very scary, dangerous place -- much like the Israeli schools in war zones threatened by constant, random terrorism as described in article at
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/1...y-to-school-security-in-israel/#ixzz2Gg48mxfH

"School security in Israel is an extension of the comprehensive approach authorities there take to protecting all public places. According to National Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld, police work with the Israeli Defense Force and the private security companies that protect such places as malls, bus stations, schools and universities. A centralized command system allows for quick dissemination of intelligence to every police officer and private guard in the field, he said.

A collective effort among police, private guards and teachers requires that the civilians involved in armed security receive rigorous training. Private guards undergo at least three weeks of advanced training with a 9mm weapon and guards employed for school protection must pass criminal, mental and physical checks."

I personally don't think the responsibility should be on the teachers to protect the students. Teachers' jobs should solely be focus on helping students learn the skills necessary to live a quality, productive life. Teachers already have enough responsibility teaching academia and holding order within the classroom, and also overseeing that their kids do not get bullied by other kids, etc. The teachers should not have the added onus of physically protecting the lives of kids.

I still say the best course of action is to hire armed retired police officers to guard the schools.

 

[bourne]

Maybe some towns have one school. But most places have more than one school.

I do not see how you could get by with one. Lunch, bathroom, sick days.

Then some schools are so spread out.

What do you suggest for playground time, after school activities, things such as sporting events, the prom, etc.

I do not know why police officers who made a good salary would want to work for little pay.

I was talking about hiring retired police officers. There are 100s of 1000s of experienced police officer retirees who would love to work even for little pay. It would give their retirement period more purpose and meaning, and make them feel useful while at the same time helping to curb (if not eliminate) the violence in schools such as school shootings.

There have been studies that show that retired police officers die more than a decade earlier than retirees in other professions.

"Mortality is another topic of research in police retirement. An extensive study of more than 2,000 officers in Buffalo, New York, found that the age-mortality rate for officers was, on average, 12 years lower than their civilian counterparts; health issues, such as cancer and heart disease, increased as officers drew closer to retirement; and the average life expectancy after retiring was 5.05 years less than that of people in other occupations. 30 This research also revealed that officer suicides were three times higher and appeared to occur more often just before retirement, a possible indicator of the stress of retirement at a time period when maladaptive factors can form."

https://www2.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2009/october2009/retiring_feature.htm

 

[Quester]

In the classroom and in a time of crisis, if not the teachers who should be responsible of their students? Someone the children/students would trust - the obvious person to me is the teacher. Yes - many hats the teacher must bear but IMVHO part of the job. Just as all of our jobs include many varied responsibilities so include the teachers! The teachers at Sandy Hook stepped up to the plate and beyond! Kudos and admiration to them!

 

[Xavier]

I'm glad you brought this up. Here are some incidents in which armed retired and off-duty police officers did make a difference.

"Armed interventions by retired and off-duty police officers, who have been trained to react, are more common. When a shooter entered an AT&T store in 2010 in a small New York town with a list of six employees he planned to kill and shot one of them, a shopper who was an off-duty officer drew his .40 caliber handgun and killed the man."

"A 2007 rampage in Trolley Square, Utah, was put to an end after an officer, who was on a date with his wife, engaged the man in a shootout. The off-duty officer kept the 18-year-old shooter pinned down until more police arrived and killed the shooter."

"In a 2006 school shooting, London Ivey, a school resource officer; and Russ LeBlanc, a former state trooper and driver’s ed teacher, confronted a Columbine-obsessed attacker in North Carolina who was firing at cars outside the school and had killed his father that day. Armed with his pistol, Ivey ordered the student to drop his weapons, and LeBlanc (who was unarmed) put him in handcuffs. In another oft-cited example, a student who opened fire at the Appalachian School of Law in 2002 was brought down by a group of law students who were trained as police officers. Two of the students had armed themselves during the shooting and were involved in subduing the gunman, though there are differing accounts of exactly what role the arms played in the confrontation."

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...hootings_examples_of_armed_interventions.html

I read 2 LE responders were at Columbine, but those two wackos had full body armor and the officers bullets just bounced off them...

 

[Donjeta]

I was talking about hiring retired police officers. There are 100s of 1000s of experienced police officer retirees who would love to work even for little pay. It would give their retirement period more purpose and meaning, and make them feel useful while at the same time helping to curb (if not eliminate) the violence in schools such as school shootings.

There have been studies that show that retired police officers die more than a decade earlier than retirees in other professions.

"Mortality is another topic of research in police retirement. An extensive study of more than 2,000 officers in Buffalo, New York, found that the age-mortality rate for officers was, on average, 12 years lower than their civilian counterparts; health issues, such as cancer and heart disease, increased as officers drew closer to retirement; and the average life expectancy after retiring was 5.05 years less than that of people in other occupations. 30 This research also revealed that officer suicides were three times higher and appeared to occur more often just before retirement, a possible indicator of the stress of retirement at a time period when maladaptive factors can form."

https://www2.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2009/october2009/retiring_feature.htm

They'd have to screen these guys somehow... I'm not sure I'd like an armed, suicidal ex LE officer in my children's school.

 

[flipflop]

Listening to your descriptions here of a lock-down makes your school sound like a very scary, dangerous place -- much like the Israeli schools in war zones threatened by constant, random terrorism as described in article at
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/1...y-to-school-security-in-israel/#ixzz2Gg48mxfH

"School security in Israel is an extension of the comprehensive approach authorities there take to protecting all public places. According to National Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld, police work with the Israeli Defense Force and the private security companies that protect such places as malls, bus stations, schools and universities. A centralized command system allows for quick dissemination of intelligence to every police officer and private guard in the field, he said.

A collective effort among police, private guards and teachers requires that the civilians involved in armed security receive rigorous training. Private guards undergo at least three weeks of advanced training with a 9mm weapon and guards employed for school protection must pass criminal, mental and physical checks."

I personally don't think the responsibility should be on the teachers to protect the students. Teachers' jobs should solely be focus on helping students learn the skills necessary to live a quality, productive life. Teachers already have enough responsibility teaching academia and holding order within the classroom, and also overseeing that their kids do not get bullied by other kids, etc. The teachers should not have the added onus of physically protecting the lives of kids.

I still say the best course of action is to hire armed retired police officers to guard the schools.

wow....really???? Since Columbine it has been law that all schools plan and practice these lockdown procedures. I really don't understand why I would not take on the responsibility of keeping my class safe....I keep them safe everyday, if a lockdown goes into play, we beef up security by following our plan in each classroom.

And yes, during a real lockdown situation, it would be a scary dangerous place.

quote:
"Teachers' jobs should solely be focus on helping students learn the skills necessary to live a quality, productive life"

...it is...but during a lockdown, we are not teaching them math...just sayin!!!!

 

[Xavier]

That's crazy, imo. All one has to do is move away from the window line of fire.

It's pretty clear from this tragedy that school lockdown procedures need review.

JMO

You try moving 28 kindergarten kids away from a window!!!!!

I don't think it is crazy at all.

My door is closed and locked, the window is covered and someone like AL cannot see me in my classroom hurrying my kids to the safety of our closet, so he leaves our room alone and moves on.

If the window was NOT covered, he could see me and the kids and shoot out the window and bang....we are dead.

Just because the open window idea is ok with your prison school, doesn't mean it is ok everywhere else.

Really I wonder FLIP if Sandy Hook, and many schools for that matter, have alert buttons to press to notify area LE of emergencies?

Does your school have an alert system? Just curious

 

[flipflop]

Really I wonder FLIP if Sandy Hook, and many schools for that matter, have alert buttons to press to notify area LE of emergencies?

Does your school have an alert system? Just curious

No alert system, and I have not heard of any schools having them. All we have is the regular 911

It would provide a faster response time, but in this case AL still would have caused fatalities before they arrived. IMO

 

[iSleuth]

I was talking about hiring retired police officers. There are 100s of 1000s of experienced police officer retirees who would love to work even for little pay. It would give their retirement period more purpose and meaning, and make them feel useful while at the same time helping to curb (if not eliminate) the violence in schools such as school shootings.

There have been studies that show that retired police officers die more than a decade earlier than retirees in other professions.

"Mortality is another topic of research in police retirement. An extensive study of more than 2,000 officers in Buffalo, New York, found that the age-mortality rate for officers was, on average, 12 years lower than their civilian counterparts; health issues, such as cancer and heart disease, increased as officers drew closer to retirement; and the average life expectancy after retiring was 5.05 years less than that of people in other occupations. 30 This research also revealed that officer suicides were three times higher and appeared to occur more often just before retirement, a possible indicator of the stress of retirement at a time period when maladaptive factors can form."

https://www2.fbi.gov/publications/leb/2009/october2009/retiring_feature.htm

Hire a Vet!

 

[human]

Yes, hiring a vet might be a good idea, but so many have PTSD.

I have to say that as a retired teacher, I resent the idea that teachers now have to act as a SWAT team.

We are doctor, nurse, psychiatrist, social worker, provider of food and clothing, what else? We work evenings and weekends. We try to remain loving and positive no matter what.

But we are demeaned and now people want more from teachers?

 

[CarmelEyesD]

The lawsuit has been withdrawn.

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Lawsuit-sparks-outrage-4158508.php

" Days after filing a $100 million lawsuit claiming the state failed to adequately protect the students at Sandy Hook Elementary School -- resulting in outrage from area residents and the legal community -- a New Haven lawyer withdrew it Monday."

Read more: http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Lawsuit-sparks-outrage-4158508.php#ixzz2GggbgYmh