Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #10

[bourne]

I noticed the date on the info you provided was from 2008. The NYCDOE now has lockdown procedures, they call it a General Response Protocol, which includes shelter ins, lockdowns and evacuations.

I'm not going to continue this neverending argument with you about my kids' schools. If you don't want to believe me, that's your choice. I'm telling you for a fact my kids' schools do not have lockdown drills.

 

[Xavier]

At this point without more evidence about AL and his mom's relationship, we're just all guessing. Maybe he didn't feel the pistol was sufficient for the amount of rage he felt towards his mom. Maybe he felt by using a hunting rifle he was killing a wild beast. Honestly it could be a whole slew of reasons.

I thought about that too

Maybe he used that rifle because he never shot it before

Maybe it had a vision scope and he wanted to stand at the bedroom door so he could be far away from his mom and shoot with point accuracy

Who knows it's all so incredibly sick

 

[Xavier]

I wanted to share this article

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57559416/assault-rifle-used-during-sandy-hook-massacre/

Be aware it's fairly graphic

I did'nt realize there were over 600 students at Sandy Hook !

"(We) did produce some very good evidence in this investigation that our investigators will be able to use and hopefully painting a complete picture as to how and more importantly why this occurred," Vance said.

It's not clear why Lanza targeted that elementary school. There were early reports on Friday that indicated his mother had been a teacher or an aide at Sandy Hook. Police have found no evidence she had any obvious connection to the school.

Police are also checking on a different report that maybe Lanza had been involved in an argument with staffers at the school the day before the shooting. Police have not confirmed that.

 

[Xavier]

In this article LE say they rebuffed reports Lanza had an argument with Sandy Hook faculty the day before the shootings


The grisly details of killer Adam Lanza’s gory rampage emerged one day after the shooter unleashed the second-deadliest school killing in U.S. history. The tiny victims were riddled with as many as 11 bullets. All were shot multiple times.

Lanza forced his way inside the Sandy Hook Elementary School and opened fire with a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle — which can fire up to six bullets per second. The black-clad killer, at the end of a long hallway, spotted police as they entered the school and ducked into a room, CBS reported Saturday.

A volley of shots rang out as two officers ran down the hall. They found Lanza dead from a self-inflicted gunshot, and beyond him a group of children huddled with their teacher, all dead. Nearby in a bathroom another group of children huddled, also dead, CBS reported.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...dy-hook-elementary-shooting-article-1.1220914

 

[Donjeta]

You're correct, the quote in this study says that, but other research studies have indicated that the frequency of suicides for retired police officers are higher than those of other professions. When I have time, I'll have to try to locate those studies stats.

Definitely the quality of life and the pre-retirement health status of an individual are good predictors of the morality rate post-retirement. A pre-retiree who is already healthy and happy and who regularly engages in activities s/he enjoys will likely live longer after retirement than the person who isn't and doesn't. I think that is self-evident.

What the stats do suggest regarding retirees across different careers is that the mortality rate of retired police officers is higher than the norm. We can read what we want into the causes of the higher mortality rate, but all I'm suggesting is that we help these retired police officers who are already trained professionally to use guns and weapons, and who handle high-risk, physically life-threatening situations on a daily basis transition into a less active lifestyle upon their retirement from the police force. One way would be to have these retired police officers become school guards/officers and hopefully also help prevent violence in schools. I see this as a good viable solution to the school threats.

I'm just not so sure that there are tons of retired LE officers who would volunteer to spend their retirement days guarding schools. Can the school districts pay enough to make it worth their while?

It would probably be healthier for some of them to take up golfing than spend their days idling in the school waiting for a school shooter that hopefully never comes.

 

[human]

:cheers:

We have homes in various states and I don't want to give out private info, but here is an article on some schools which do not do lockdowns and instead use alternative methods.

http://www.annenberginstitute.org/VUE/spring08/Beam.php

We're going out with friends now to celebrate New Year's so I won't be answering anything else until next year. In the meantime, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2013 to all sleuthers!

This approach is exactly what I am talking about. The positive approach to people.

However, the lockdown school shooter idea has now been blown out of the water with AL.

All schools should practice a school lock down because of the AL potential.

 

[human]

You're correct, the quote in this study says that, but other research studies have indicated that the frequency of suicides for retired police officers are higher than those of other professions. When I have time, I'll have to try to locate those studies stats.

Definitely the quality of life and the pre-retirement health status of an individual are good predictors of the morality rate post-retirement. A pre-retiree who is already healthy and happy and who regularly engages in activities s/he enjoys will likely live longer after retirement than the person who isn't and doesn't. I think that is self-evident.

What the stats do suggest regarding retirees across different careers is that the mortality rate of retired police officers is higher than the norm. We can read what we want into the causes of the higher mortality rate, but all I'm suggesting is that we help these retired police officers who are already trained professionally to use guns and weapons, and who handle high-risk, physically life-threatening situations on a daily basis transition into a less active lifestyle upon their retirement from the police force. One way would be to have these retired police officers become school guards/officers and hopefully also help prevent violence in schools. I see this as a good viable solution to the school threats.

Police have higher rates of alcoholism as well. Constant stress. Divorce.

I bet a lot of them want out of the constant bad side of life.

 

[Donjeta]

It seems to me that the article talks about different "lockdowns" than we have discussed here. I didn't see anything in the article about whether the schools have security drills and procedures in place in case there is an armed threat; it was more about not treating the students like criminals in the daily school life.

I don't see the two things as necessarily excluding one another.

As a group, the six schools share some or all of a short list of values and practices. These include:

no metal detectors in the school's current incarnation and an express desire on the part of faculty and students to keep them out, in the face of pressure from central office

a conscious policy or practice of trusting students to behave responsibly

clear and simple rules, formed with some student input

an adult perception of students as people and someone's children

a principal who has established authority over the SSAs and defines role and behavior standards for them

a clear delineation of responsibilities for discipline (faculty) and bona fide safety concerns (SSAs)

strong leadership from senior SSAs

constant communication between school staff and SSAs and integration of SSAs into the school community through meetings and community events

I think you could have all that and still train the teachers and students in some basic security measures, just in case.

 

[human]

Small Catholic school and no "lock down" for mad gunman type practises that I am aware of, or at least none prior to this incident.... The doors are always locked in accordinance with fire safety laws.

The school is so small it's almost impossible to not to recognize everyone who belongs their by face, if not name. I have no experience working in schools, or in public grammer schools, but this incident really made me wonder if building more schools with much smaller student populations would help. I don't the answers, but school size did cross my mind.

I think small schools are the way to go.

The anti tax rhetoric out there claims there is no need to throw money at schools.

It is interesting that the well to do often choose schools with enormous tuition and small class size. I guess throwing money at those schools is different.

Education is about establishing relationships with your students. Otherwise, don't even bother

Recall your education and who you learned from best.

It's hard to have great relationships with hundreds of students

I hope our priorities change someday from a world that spends tons of money on killing to a world that spends money on nourishing the hearts and minds of people

 

[human]

It seems to me that the article talks about different "lockdowns" than we have discussed here. I didn't see anything in the article about whether the schools have security drills and procedures in place in case there is an armed threat; it was more about not treating the students like criminals in the daily school life.

I don't see the two things as necessarily excluding one another.


I think you could have all that and still train the teachers and students in some basic security measures, just in case.

Yes, because of the AL factor.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm not going to continue this neverending argument with you about my kids' schools. If you don't want to believe me, that's your choice. I'm telling you for a fact my kids' schools do not have lockdown drills.

First and foremost, Happy New Years to everyone!! May 2013 bring us answers to many unanswered questions.

Now, BBM, you really should get in contact with the Superintendent of your children's school district. This is a big problem and you, as a parent, need to speak up, if no one else will. I don't know if your child's school is public or private, but even if it is private, you need to get into contact with the Dean/Principal or whatever they have in Private School's. Or contact their sponsors or affiliated church. Go as high as you can until you get one in place. We'll stand by you here. I can write a mean (not mean-mean, but good-mean) letter.

 

[bourne]

I'm just not so sure that there are tons of retired LE officers who would volunteer to spend their retirement days guarding schools. Can the school districts pay enough to make it worth their while?

It would probably be healthier for some of them to take up golfing than spend their days idling in the school waiting for a school shooter that hopefully never comes.

Maybe. Maybe not. Obviously we're not going to force retired police officers to do anything! It'd be their choice. Don't you think?

 

[Donjeta]

Maybe. Maybe not. Obviously we're not going to force retired police officers to do anything! It'd be their choice. Don't you think?

Yes, absolutely, that's why I said I'm not sure that there are tons of them willing to take on this job.

 

[fabvab]

I'm not going to continue this neverending argument with you about my kids' schools. If you don't want to believe me, that's your choice. I'm telling you for a fact my kids' schools do not have lockdown drills.

I believe you. I have heard of another school that has not practiced lockdown drills also. I do believe that should change and they should be a regular part of school just like fire drills, etc.

 

[human]

I googled lock down drills and did not look past the first couple of references.

The State of Michigan is different from my state which requires one almost every month. Michigan only requires two a year.

I think private schools are exempt from most state regulations. So it could be that private schools do not have policies that address some issues.

I know in my school we had a lock down for a day because a parent had threatened violence to his child. I cannot remember how the dismissal went because this was way before Columbine.

The parent was apprehended. Maybe it was before school let out.

At another school, the ex husband of a teacher threatened violence to her. The school was locked down until he was apprehended.

 

[flipflop]

I believe you. I have heard of another school that has not practiced lockdown drills also. I do believe that should change and they should be a regular part of school just like fire drills, etc.

I agree, afterall, our kids lives are priceless. We do all these practices/drills to save lives and to keep our kids safe, we hope we never have to use them, but incase we do....we are prepared.

 

[fabvab]

I believe you. I have heard of another school that has not practiced lockdown drills also. I do believe that should change and they should be a regular part of school just like fire drills, etc.

I agree, afterall, our kids lives are priceless. We do all these practices/drills to save lives and to keep our kids safe, we hope we never have to use them, but incase we do....we are prepared.

And, even if there was never a problem at the school, this might help the children know how to react/respond later on if a shooting/problem occurred anywhere else.

 

[airplanelamp]

I believe that all schools should be practicing lock down procedures, regardless of what other protocol, expectations or safety measures they have in place. There is just NO legitimate reason not too and they absolutely could increase student safety in the event of a threat.

Lock down has various levels of severity (in my Board), depending on the threat. Full lock down would be a threat inside the school and partial lock down there is a potential threat outside it.

There are many different scenarios in which a lock down would be appropriate, not just an AL type situation. Our school went into partial lock down about a year ago because the convenience store down the street was robbed at gun point. Police were unsure about where the suspect had gone and we went into lockdown just in case. In that scenario, classroom doors were locked, kids kept in the rooms but no one was hidden or huddled.

It is remiss, IMO for schools to ignore this safety drill.

 

[Footwarrior]

My message to kids has always been if you see or hear gunfire, run away as fast as you can and keep running. Hide only if you can't run.

Schools can't have a running away drill because getting all the kids to come back is almost impossible. So lockdowns have become the one size fits all solution.

 

[flipflop]

I believe that all schools should be practicing lock down procedures, regardless of what other protocol, expectations or safety measures they have in place. There is just NO legitimate reason not too and they absolutely could increase student safety in the event of a threat.

Lock down has various levels of severity (in my Board), depending on the threat. Full lock down would be a threat inside the school and partial lock down there is a potential threat outside it.

There are many different scenarios in which a lock down would be appropriate, not just an AL type situation. Our school went into partial lock down about a year ago because the convenience store down the street was robbed at gun point. Police were unsure about where the suspect had gone and we went into lockdown just in case. In that scenario, classroom doors were locked, kids kept in the rooms but no one was hidden or huddled.

It is remiss, IMO for schools to ignore this safety drill.

We have 3 different levels of lockdowns as well.

We do not practice these drills because our school is rampant with violence, as someone stated above. Our school is not violent. We practice these drills to protect our kids. Our is a small school where everyone knows everyone. But as we know, evil can lurk anywhere. I don't think we will ever have a real full lockdown, but you never know. Im sure the staff at Sandy Hook thought the same, but are thankful the times that they did practice their lockdowns.