Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #10

[FrayedKnot]

Well, I don't think there are specific gun storage laws in CT. The ones that I found pertain specifically to minors, which in this case would be moot because AL was not a minor. You're going to have a hard time getting a court to agree that a mentally unstable person, especially one that was never diagnosed previously with violent tendencies, is a threat to commit a mass shooting when there are firearms in the home, locked up or not.

It's always easy to second guess after the fact. I do agree that all firearms should be secured to a certain extent, especially when it comes to minors in the home. But this idea that she should of known to lock up her guns because he had the potential to shoot up a bunch of kids is a pretty weak argument. She took him to shooting ranges, why would she ever believe that her child was violent enough to commit such a crime? Show me any parent who thinks that their child is capable of such a horrible tragedy, mental illness or not.

NL was afraid to let AL into the kitchen to cook for himself for fear he would get hurt.

Dangerous things, those pots and pans. I'll bet she locked THEM up.

It's rotten judgement, IMO, and it resulted in 26 innocent victims. Agreed that it probably isn't illegal to leave you guns lying about, but it darn sure ought to be.

I keep hoping after every senseless shooting that America will wake the F up and stop this madness. And yet, almost every day, another toddler eats a bullet, another teen shoots up his family.......lovely.

 

[Elley Mae]

Thanks. But considering how goofed up the reporting has been in this case, I think we need more than just one account of this story.

My first thought on this article was/is that there is no new info and they found a way to word it in a way that makes it seem/appear that the guns were/are just in a closet. I wondered if the (witness) had been to the house and she was showing the guns to the (witness). Who knows why someone would allow someone in their bedroom to show them that the guns were/are just hanging out in the closet. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

IIRC NL not wanting AL in the kitchen had to do with AL not being able to feel pain, cuts from knives burns from the stove, etc. jmo

 

[Trinityzuzu]

Just to clarify weapons used

http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooti...-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php

 

[Trinityzuzu]

And as for the delay in the official report being released
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Criminal-charges-weighed-in-Newtown-deaths-4220461.php

The Truthers are already in a tizzy about the delay. Please don't feed the Truthers.

 

[time]

Just to clarify weapons used

http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooti...-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4220548.php

Just to pull out a relevant quote:

"Vance said he made it abundantly clear during his media briefings since the tragedy that Lanza sprayed the school with rounds from his mother's Bushmaster XM-15 rifle. "

 

[HastingsChi]

What we have seen in the media coverage of the alleged shooter is an endless stream of rumor being showcased as fact, information attributed to anonymous sources being debunked, wild speculation about his medical history being repeated over and over. It is absolutely disgusting that the principles at the foundation of journalism are completely disregarded in favor of un-sourced, sensational rumor from anonymous individuals.

In my opinion, as a former journalist, we are well past the point that anonymous sources of information such as this can be ethically justified by any journalist. The fact that none of these claims are not double sourced is very telling. Just another example of shoddy reporting and even more deplorable editorial oversight.

While the abominable media coverage of Sandy Hook is a microcosm of what's wrong with "journalism" today; Sandy Hook, Manti Te'o's fake girlfriend, the British hacking scandal, NBC News editing George Zimmerman's 911 call to make him appear racist, and an endless list of other outrageous flaws in journalism that maybe the public would actually demand a return to true journalism. Frankly, the media needs to once again understand that it is more important to be right than be first.

 

[HastingsChi]

From the original source, the Connecticut State Police Press Release:

STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION;
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES

Seized inside the school:

#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine



#2. Glock 10 mm handgun



#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun



Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284

Hopefully this clarifies any confusion.

 

[mister happy]

It was clear you meant that as an example.

Of course, lots of everyday items that are easily accessible can be used as weapons. Can openers, paper weights, pens etc. Guns, however, are in a completely different class. Guns are specifically designed to be efficient weapons of death. Very dangerous. IMO, although Nancy was a victim of her unbalanced son, she also showed poor judgment. I agree with others, she shouldn't have kept an arsenal of guns/ammo in the first place.

 

[mikeysmommom]

Well, I don't think there are specific gun storage laws in CT. The ones that I found pertain specifically to minors, which in this case would be moot because AL was not a minor. You're going to have a hard time getting a court to agree that a mentally unstable person, especially one that was never diagnosed previously with violent tendencies, is a threat to commit a mass shooting when there are firearms in the home, locked up or not.

It's always easy to second guess after the fact. I do agree that all firearms should be secured to a certain extent, especially when it comes to minors in the home. But this idea that she should of known to lock up her guns because he had the potential to shoot up a bunch of kids is a pretty weak argument. She took him to shooting ranges, why would she ever believe that her child was violent enough to commit such a crime? Show me any parent who thinks that their child is capable of such a horrible tragedy, mental illness or not.

She should have never had them so he could not hurt himself! My son is 30 his life is not what it should be due to breaking his neck at age 14 granted he is not paralyzed but he has horrendous pain and lives in 24/7 pain.Due to his problems he has not been able to work for 7 yrs! I monitor his medicines because I fear he could possible harm himself,I do have legal guns in my home not only under lock and key but he has no idea we have them!Do I do this because I think he might shoot up innocent people or 1 of us?No,we do it so on those days when the pain of living seems endless and death seems better then barely having a life he can not hurt himself!He has told us and his doctors if not for his son he would not want to live the way he has had to for 7 years.He is a computer genius and highly intelligent but his hands ,arms when not in intense pain go numb and he can not even do what he loves since he was 10! For the past year he has had almost daily kidney intense pain and more stones then I can remember also uncontrollable high blood pressure even with 2 meds for it.Finally after all this time they realize he might have a kidney disease :banghead:and they referred him to a kidney specialist his appt will be in 6 months! His has to go thru a clinic due to no insurance.Some days it takes him an
hour just to be able to move his neck it locks.So just for his own safety she was very reckless IMO.Sorry about the ranting!

ETA He was rear ended in a car accident 7 yrs ago and his life has been like this since then.

 

[italianWSfan]

I keep hoping after every senseless shooting that America will wake the F up and stop this madness. And yet, almost every day, another toddler eats a bullet, another teen shoots up his family.......lovely.

:clap:
my thoughts exactly.

 

[MyBelle]

NL was afraid to let AL into the kitchen to cook for himself for fear he would get hurt.

Dangerous things, those pots and pans. I'll bet she locked THEM up.

It's rotten judgement, IMO, and it resulted in 26 innocent victims. Agreed that it probably isn't illegal to leave you guns lying about, but it darn sure ought to be.

I keep hoping after every senseless shooting that America will wake the F up and stop this madness. And yet, almost every day, another toddler eats a bullet, another teen shoots up his family.......lovely.

Well said! Unfortunately, it is impossible to legislate common sense.

JMO

 

[4MYGUYS]

I live in an old hunting community and guns are probably in every household, and have been for centuries. And hunting accidents occur, but rarely. But when I have asked my friends about their ownership of high capacity magazines I have been surprised to learn the mindset of those that own these. Of course it's your right to own them, but to need them speaks volumes to me about mindset. This has been a revelation to me, folks that believe we personally NEED these. And it's not just the one "crazy uncle" it's the whole family. And they are not planning on hunting deer. As a matter of fact the ones that have these high capacity mags DON'T HUNT. They believe the world is changing and they NEED protection. I suspect this mindset was prevelent in this househould too. So, no locking up weapons from a (chronological) adult would not happen here in my estimation. NL was afraid he might hurt himself in the kitchen FGS.
Some folks here get all bent out of shape if any shadow is cast upon NL and she is not added to victims memorials. I for one would not want the name of the perps mother listed with mine in this situation. JMHO.etc etc.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Of course, lots of everyday items that are easily accessible can be used as weapons. Can openers, paper weights, pens etc. Guns, however, are in a completely different class. Guns are specifically designed to be efficient weapons of death. Very dangerous. IMO, although Nancy was a victim of her unbalanced son, she also showed poor judgment. I agree with others, she shouldn't have kept an arsenal of guns/ammo in the first place.

:seeya: I agree.

 

[CHERIE.T]

She should have never had them so he could not hurt himself! My son is 30 his life is not what it should be due to breaking his neck at age 14 granted he is not paralyzed but he has horrendous pain and lives in 24/7 pain.Due to his problems he has not been able to work for 7 yrs! I monitor his medicines because I fear he could possible harm himself,I do have legal guns in my home not only under lock and key but he has no idea we have them!Do I do this because I think he might shoot up innocent people or 1 of us?No,we do it so on those days when the pain of living seems endless and death seems better then barely having a life he can not hurt himself!He has told us and his doctors if not for his son he would not want to live the way he has had to for 7 years.He is a computer genius and highly intelligent but his hands ,arms when not in intense pain go numb and he can not even do what he loves since he was 10! For the past year he has had almost daily kidney intense pain and more stones then I can remember also uncontrollable high blood pressure even with 2 meds for it.Finally after all this time they realize he might have a kidney disease :banghead:and they referred him to a kidney specialist his appt will be in 6 months! His has to go thru a clinic due to no insurance.Some days it takes him an
hour just to be able to move his neck it locks.So just for his own safety she was very reckless IMO.Sorry about the ranting!

ETA He was rear ended in a car accident 7 yrs ago and his life has been like this since then.

So sorry!

 

[FragileSugar]

Newtown renews panel’s focus on mental health

It’s been six years since the Senate HELP committee held a hearing on mental health.

Newtown put it back on the agenda.

At a hearing Thursday, Democrats and Republicans on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee urged the Obama administration to hurry up aspects of its mental health agenda.

The lawmakers didn’t specifically talk much about gun violence or President Barack Obama’s sweeping proposals to combat it after the school shooting in Newtown, Conn. But there was a fair amount of bipartisan concern about gaps in access to mental health care, and about unfinished pieces of the mental health system.

 

[iSleuth]

Well, I don't think there are specific gun storage laws in CT. The ones that I found pertain specifically to minors, which in this case would be moot because AL was not a minor. You're going to have a hard time getting a court to agree that a mentally unstable person, especially one that was never diagnosed previously with violent tendencies, is a threat to commit a mass shooting when there are firearms in the home, locked up or not.

It's always easy to second guess after the fact. I do agree that all firearms should be secured to a certain extent, especially when it comes to minors in the home. But this idea that she should of known to lock up her guns because he had the potential to shoot up a bunch of kids is a pretty weak argument. She took him to shooting ranges, why would she ever believe that her child was violent enough to commit such a crime? Show me any parent who thinks that their child is capable of such a horrible tragedy, mental illness or not.

here they are ( gun laws in CT:

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0369.htm

Good reading, there are a few sections of ( lawful ) use storage for guns in ct. specific bans that NL & AL violated - clearly states how they must be used and stored- unloaded, nor transported in cars loaded...nor transferred to anyone under 21!!!!nor in or on public property or schools- oh also- no assault weapons.
JMO NL violated /blatantly scoffed at many- every law! Wth?

I live really near by. I drive by signs...every single day- mourning newtown- not just 1-2...in my face, I freaks me out to think he drove to the walmart near me - the one i go to- to -try-buy more ammunition and guns that week. as a neighbor, as a mom, as teacher..I am horrified.
To think that was the hobby that parent shared with that child horrifies me.

:-(

 

[SmoothOperator]

She should have never had them so he could not hurt himself! My son is 30 his life is not what it should be due to breaking his neck at age 14 granted he is not paralyzed but he has horrendous pain and lives in 24/7 pain.Due to his problems he has not been able to work for 7 yrs! I monitor his medicines because I fear he could possible harm himself,I do have legal guns in my home not only under lock and key but he has no idea we have them!Do I do this because I think he might shoot up innocent people or 1 of us?No,we do it so on those days when the pain of living seems endless and death seems better then barely having a life he can not hurt himself!He has told us and his doctors if not for his son he would not want to live the way he has had to for 7 years.He is a computer genius and highly intelligent but his hands ,arms when not in intense pain go numb and he can not even do what he loves since he was 10! For the past year he has had almost daily kidney intense pain and more stones then I can remember also uncontrollable high blood pressure even with 2 meds for it.Finally after all this time they realize he might have a kidney disease :banghead:and they referred him to a kidney specialist his appt will be in 6 months! His has to go thru a clinic due to no insurance.Some days it takes him an
hour just to be able to move his neck it locks.So just for his own safety she was very reckless IMO.Sorry about the ranting!

ETA He was rear ended in a car accident 7 yrs ago and his life has been like this since then.

Thank you for sharing this, mikeysmommom!..and absolutely no apologies necessary!

I am so very sorry to hear what your son is forced to live with day in and day out..and yes this exact type physical pain will absolutely weaken a human being in all capacities, and yes, so very sadly to the point of feeling helplessness, and even downright hopelessness at times..

I can say however that your son is without doubt blessed with having a strong, loving, and supportive on all levels, MOTHER.. no doubt in my mind that you are the rock, and that you on a DAILY BASIS are met head on with challenges that you conquer and defeat that are so far beyond the realm of what a large percentages of mother's will never know..will never be made to face.. Yet you face them everyday and are strong enough to not just pull yourself through the difficulties that you as his mother face in your own personal battles of dealing with the heartbreak of seeing your son struggle in daily pain..but above all of that and most importantly you are there for your son, every day, by his side making sure that he makes it through each day..

Tho, I quite obviously do not "know" you outside of WS, nonetheless your words speak volumes of your strength and most importantly your unconditional love that only a mother can give, live, and help their child through on those days that their child is struggling and just doesn't have the strength to pull themselves up.. That love that goes the distance and bends downs, and without a second thought pulls up their child by their boot straps, and boldly walks alongside them ensuring that even when they're weak, beat down, or wanna give up that you are there to be leaned on, gather support and energy from, and comfort along those bumps in the road that may appear on any given day..

Thank you for sharing and thank you for ringing the bell of reality that IMO at times we ALL need to be roused awake to the the true reality of NOT ONLY our world, but also the world around us..

I do have great hope for your son and I say that in knowing the physical pain of which you speak..the pain that takes its toll on our mind, body, and soul while/during/after the throes of the unrelenting pain... I truly have great hope that your son has relief, reprieve, and even healing in his future and still has an entire life left to live along with his young son.. Not only will you all be in my thoughts, but my prayers as well.. I know for some the offer of prayer may seem lame, with no true meaning, or even any way of knowing if those repeated offers of prayer by people are even actually followed through with..or are they merely just empty words said for the sake of their sounding or meaning well..

I can attest to the absolute fact that by far and wide the people who speak and offer those words of prayer for one of us or our loved ones, 9 out 10 are filled with not only promise of following through with, but also those words that become prayers are overflowing with hope, comfort, and even healing.. and it is exactly that hope, comfort, and even healing that I'm praying for you, your son, and your family:hug:

Mikeysmommom, always remember that even tho, it may seem impossible, and just not "doable" you truly MUST take time for yourself.. time apart from your son, grandson, and just the stressors that often everyday life presents.. you must always make and take time for yourself..even if just briefly..an amount of time set aside that is SOLELY AND ONLY about you..."ME TIME"..Not only do you deserve it, but most importantly WITHOUT IT you will become run down(mind, body, and spirit).. resentful(regardless of the fact that this is your son, we are still human at the end of the day).. and in time that wear and tear will become overwhelming..

So, take and ENJOY that "ME TIME" that you deserve....JUST FOR YOU!:hug:

All the best,
Jessica

 

[FragileSugar]

A Promise to Change Starts with Disarming the Debate

Americans are clearly ready to alter the status quo when it comes to guns and violence as well as our treatment of the mentally ill. And since a "war on guns" or a "war on violence" is nonsensical on its face, logic tells us that it's time for a new, more enlightened way of thinking and behaving. To quote the Sandy Hook Promise once more, it's time "to truly honor the lives lost by turning our tragedy into a moment of transformation."

One recent evening, my daughter shared her thoughts about her former principal with me. She said that Mrs. Hochsprung was always so nice and never yelled at anyone. She asked me "How could someone like her die that way?"

It's a good question, the kind that we've all been asking ourselves since that terrible day. From what I can tell, Dawn Hochsprung understood that fear, anger and violence are the opposite of love, empathy, and the innocence exemplified in young school children. She lived the Sandy Hook Promise, and by consciously following her example, we can do the same.

 

[Xavier]

Here's a really good video from some of the survivors from Sandy Hook

Principal Hochsprung cranked up the school speaker/intercom volume throughout the school building to signal the red alert

[video=youtube;WGV6zOgbNW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGV6zOgbNW0[/video]