Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#2

[justwannahelp]

Thank you so very much. This post just lowered my blood pressure. I appreciate it. Coward is the word.

For heaven sakes I live in Philly and they sell guns out the back of cars for Lord's sake. Now who do we all think are buying them?

Why, why, why, why in days of old when people carried were they not going around shooting little children and the elderly and the innocent? What else is going on?

for SURE video games and horror films that desensitize.

i also WONDER (not blaming, just wondering) about antidepressants in teens desensitizing them to emotion. there is a direct link in teen suicides and antidepressants. i'm not saying that all teens that take antidepressants are going to commit suicide or massacres, but I do believe they numb the mind.

 

[Reader]

Adam Gopnik in The New Yorker:

Newton and the madness of guns

Thanks! I'm saving this one to put on FB....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

True,but assault guns can take out so many in so little time.At least with a knife you can try to tackle them.That's why military use these kind of weapons

I didnt hear he had any full automatics today. I thought they were semi-automatics.

I know the .223 is more like a hunting rifle.

 

[Kimster]

Here's the link to the gun control discussion thread: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


Remember to be respectful to each other. Everyone hurts today and we all need hugs, not impatience. :grouphug:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

This is the "me" generation. Remember when Time magazine named us, or rather "You" as the person of the year? This is the the age of "omg I cut my wrists let me put it on tumblr" and "let me put 'I want to die' on Facebook and see how much concern I can drum up"

This is a generation with selfish, sick, deeply disturbed individuals who tout themselves as martyrs and commit terrible atrocities because of their own private pain and suffering or "suffering" (not to invalidate it but in comparison to their victim's pain...i digress). It's about "ME" and making "YOU" (society) suffer. These people are flying their troubles like a flag and punishing everyone in their path for it, and what's scary, is that there's many more people like that out there and something within our society is encouraging it. I have only harsh words for people who cry "poor me" and kill innocent people as some showy tribute to their not so golden childhood or whatever issues they have.

The "Me" generation actually refers to the Baby Boomers.

And if the Internet was around in past decades, what makes you think people wouldn't be posting pathetic, selfish, cruel things on it?

If you think the racism on online news comments is bad now....

 

[tlcya]

I cannot stop crying. I cannot watch any of the coverage. I sent hubby out for pizza and movies. I do not feel ready to have to explain to my 8 year old what has ocurred and I fear his catching sight of all this coverage.

How will I make him feel his school is a safe place? That he doesnt need to live in fear? When all I feel at the moment is fear and anger that the world is what it is?

Someone should start an emotional toll thread if one hasn't been already, for those like myself, too damned shellshocked to do anything beyond grieve and pray.

 

[wfgodot]

Ok I'm going to bite. That generational blame stuff really pisses me off. I'm sick of listening to people say a group that entails millions of people, from all different types of backgrounds, are the same.

Every one says the SAME THING about the current young adult generation.

The biggest mass school murder was in 1927.

Chew on that.

The Bath School disaster, in Michigan. (Wiki)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not as many as die at the hands of their own parents through child abuse or neglect.

Blaming a gun for killing a person is like blaming a spoon for making a person obese.

True. The number one COD for children is vehicle accidents.

Even drowning or having an accident on a bike/atv etc is more likely to happen than a child dying by a firearm.

IMO

 

[lishac23]

Because, every time there is another mass shooting in this country, there is shock, and disbelief, and hand wringing, and no real discussion about gun control, and then everyone gets to forget about it and pretend that guns are not part of the issue, until the next time it happens. Lather, rinse, repeat. Until the people of this country wake up and get real about gun violence in the country it's going to happen over and over again. NO ADMINISTRATION has ever posited a total ban on all guns, and it will NEVER happen. BUT, the fact that assault rifles are not banned is criminal. Their sole purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest possible time. If we don't face it now, everything just dies down till the next time. There is no good time.

There actually was a ban on assault rifles for 10 years. (As you can find info below). The Columbine Shooting occured while the ban was in affect. So there is research that has been done that shows "banning" these weapons will do MINIMAL if anything to stop these types of crimes from occuring. I do not think that the issue of gun control shouldn't be addressed, but do you really think these parents want to be thrust into the middle of some political agenda on whether or not their babies lives would have been spared had he not had access to a gun. Tell that to the families of the 22 kids in China who were stabbed yesterday.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) (or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act) was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons".

During the period when the AWB was in effect, it was illegal to manufacture any firearm that met the law's flowchart of an assault weapon or large capacity ammunition feeding device, except for export or for sale to a government or law enforcement agency. The law also banned possession of illegally imported or manufactured firearms.

The United States Department of Justice National Institute of Justice found should the ban be renewed, its effects on gun violence would likely be small, and perhaps too small for reliable measurement, because rifles in general, including rifles referred to as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons", are rarely used in gun crimes.[8]

 

[Pensfan]

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[mrsward]

i dont know if its already been stated in th US but sky news is saying his mon was shot at home not the school

 

[FrayedKnot]

I understand people are really upset and angry, but the last thing we need is for this thread to be closed because of the arguments. Let's please remember the victims and have enough sense to discuss this as adults so that we are all not punished by having this discussion closed?

You are right. And I will rest my opinions about this.

Thanks for the reminder that politics and ethics can wait until later.

This is about those little ones who died today.

 

[animlzrule]

Can someone please explain to me what possible reason is there for the average American citizen to own an ASSAULT rifle??? We all know handguns and hunting weapons are never going to be outlawed, it's asinine to even entertain the notion....but assault weapons, really? It's time responsible gun owners in this country stand up to the NRA and speak rationally and logically about truth and fantasy in the gun control debate. Where are the non-extremist gun owners in this country? Engage in the dialogue and take it back from the crazy gun nuts. It's hard to take gun owners seriously when their spokespeople are NRA zealots just repeating the same talking points and ignoring the reality that assault weapons serve no purpose outside of a military operation.

 

[gngr~snap]

Autistic individuals are far more likely to be a victim of violence than a perpetrator. This is the first time I have ever read about an autistic person shooting others.

me either! I will say he sure didn't think it through... see below

NBC reporting that Adam Lanza 20, stole his brothers identification Ryan who is 24. His brother lives 80 miles away in another state. It is presumed Adam killed his mother.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-lanza-older-brother-ryan-questioned-by-cops/

it was premeditated and he planned to pin it on his brother? Did he kill himself? So the license thing makes NO sense! I wonder if he used the ID to buy more ammo for the guns?

She may have had them in a gun safe and the key would probably be on her key chain or he could have broken into the safe. We just dont know.

IMO

Heck he could have knocked her out and taken them! He may have asked to use them and when she said no he killed her?
I wonder if she didn't buy the guns for protection from this son!
I wonder how recently she got them?


A clearer story will emerge!

Prayers for all involved!

 

[minusfour]

So, so sad.

On gun control laws- in Australia, which had much tighter laws than the US, the laws were made much, much tighter after a mass shooting at Port Arthur in Tasmania in the 1990s. It was extrememly unpopular at the time. In a way it has been effective- statistically there is less gun crime now, although the baddies still seem to have guns, The laws here were very different before the Port Arthur shooting though, and guns were not easily available to most people even before then. (I'm 44, and have literally never seen a real gun for instance)

I live in Tasmania and am thinking and praying for all the people involved.

 

[Gardenlady]

Not as many as die at the hands of their own parents through child abuse or neglect.

Blaming a gun for killing a person is like blaming a spoon for making a person obese.

I hate this analogy. The fact is that the inherent purpose of a gun is to KILL.

The inherent purpose of a spoon is not.

And everyone pointing to the guy in China? Guess what. Those kids are ALIVE. Wounded, yes, but ALIVE.

The ones attacked here with a gun? Dead.

 

[zwiebel]

I hope the manufacturer of the gun that killed the children offers to pay for their funerals. They are likely to be rich enough to afford it.

The manufacturer of the knife that injured the children in China will not need to pay for funerals of course. Because those children are still alive.

 

[TexasCharm]

This is the "me" generation. Remember when Time magazine named us, or rather "You" as the person of the year? This is the the age of "omg I cut my wrists let me put it on tumblr" and "let me put 'I want to die' on Facebook and see how much concern I can drum up"

This is a generation with selfish, sick, deeply disturbed individuals who tout themselves as martyrs and commit terrible atrocities because of their own private pain and suffering or "suffering" (not to invalidate it but in comparison to their victim's pain...i digress). It's about "ME" and making "YOU" (society) suffer. These people are flying their troubles like a flag and punishing everyone in their path for it, and what's scary, is that there's many more people like that out there and something within our society is encouraging it. I have only harsh words for people who cry "poor me" and kill innocent people as some showy tribute to their not so golden childhood or whatever issues they have.

Just wanted to bump this up. The problem is so much bigger than an inanimate object! Thank you for this!

 

[Quester]

7:00 p.m.: Authorities continue to question [RL], the shooter’s brother, but say he is not under any suspicion.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/live-updates-newtown-ct-school-shooting/

 

[Kimster]

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