Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

[flipflop]

This seems totally unreasonable!!! I can't imagine a teacher doing that (or even having the time to do it) during such an emergency.

All while ENCOURAGING the children they are safe. BUT ARE THEY REALLY???
Not meant to be directed at you of course, I am just so devastated and sick over all of this. It could have been any one of our kids.

NO, but what I posted is the best with what you have when in a classroom with no closet or bathroom. No one is safe when a killer is in the building.

After watching and reading everything from Sandy Hook, I would be crappin my pants, but I would hope I could be as calm as the teachers who were reading to her students in the closet to keep them calm, while knowing that a shooter was in her school. They are true heros

 

[Sleuthster]

That is not the same as mental illness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes_290–319:_mental_disorders

List of ICD-9 codes 290–319: mental disorders

Personality disorders (301)
(301) Personality disorders
(301.1) Affective personality disorder
(301.2) Schizoid personality disorder
(301.3) Explosive personality disorder
(301.4) Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder
(301.5) Histrionic personality disorder
(301.6) Dependent personality disorder
(301.7) Dissocial personality disorder
(301.8) Other personality disorders
(301.81) Narcissistic personality disorder
(301.83) Borderline personality disorder
(301.9) Personality disorder, unspec.


Yes, it is a mental disorder


Edit- BTW, ICD code means diagnosis code

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

No, brother didn't tell LE that AL had a mental illness.

I've seen it on the news that the brother RL said his brother was suffering from such when questioned by the police. A teacher said AL had Aspergers and that he had very little contact with any of the other students. Numerous classmates said he was "odd". His aunt said his mom had a lot of challenges with AL.

Obviously something was wrong. If anyone is waiting for AL's psychiatrist to come out and say something publicly......perhaps he was not under anyone's recent care? Nevertheless, his past history and observations from numerous sources combined with his actions should not be denied. It is fair to inference.

 

[jjenny]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ICD-9_codes_290–319:_mental_disorders

List of ICD-9 codes 290–319: mental disorders

Personality disorders (301)
(301) Personality disorders
(301.1) Affective personality disorder
(301.2) Schizoid personality disorder
(301.3) Explosive personality disorder
(301.4) Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder
(301.5) Histrionic personality disorder
(301.6) Dependent personality disorder
(301.7) Dissocial personality disorder
(301.8) Other personality disorders
(301.81) Narcissistic personality disorder
(301.83) Borderline personality disorder
(301.9) Personality disorder, unspec.


Yes, it is a mental disorder

Is there anyone left who is not considered mentally ill after all these disorders are taken into account?

 

[FootballMom]

Uh, so you think AL was sane and had good reason to do what he did? What are you saying?

I'm NOT saying that he is either sane or insane. That is my point. No one other than a medical professional who was treating him or his immediate family who are fully aware of his current medical history should be stating he is or is not mentally ill as if it is fact. The media has seriously contributed to these assumptions taken as fact through their atrocious reporting "standards".

Did he do something crazy? Yes. Does that automatically mean he was clinically mentally ill? No. Could he have been? Yes. Do we know that for a fact he was? No.

 

[kalekona]

"Lanza's brother Ryan reportedly told police that his sibling had autism or Asperger's syndrome, and a personality disorder."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Adam-Lanza-a-fiercely-intelligent-killer.html

Personality disorder is a form of mental illness. If you want to get into the logistics, when providers bill for a personality disorder the ICD code is a mental nervous code and how insurance companies would pay.

Key word there is "reportedly" Reportedly the brother was dead in his apartment too.

 

[flipflop]

That is not the same as mental illness.

How is it now the same????? Im confused by your post.

 

[Isabelle]

I've seen a couple of posts tonight referring to news reports that suggest the mom might have been in denial over her son's issues.

Would someone please post a link to these news items? I haven't seen them myself and I would like to.

Thanks.

I posted about the possibility the mom was in denial, but it was IMO and not based on a news report.

 

[Reannan]

Could you see the other 5 games that he recommended?

Soon as I see my DS I'll ask him about this - he's a HUGE gamer - has been for years but yesterday when he came home from work he openly cried when he saw me and I just hugged him.

I don't blame the games. I do believe that if you have a child with red flags, or conditions that the games are probably not a good idea though.


JMHO

The other 5 games are as follows - and here are the quotes that appear to be associated with them:

Natural Selection: "utter garbage 0/10 - "indie" devs need to learn how to optimize their shi_ _y games": December 12th, 2012 @ 2:23pm

CS GO: "dumbed down for cod babbys": December 12th, 2012 @ 9:03am

Killing Floor: "was fun till DLC hit - rip Dosh Floors": December 12th, 2012 @ 9:03am

Starwars Battlefront: "10/10, best online shooter ever": December 12th, 2012 @ 9:02am

Red Orchestra2: "black ops is better": November 19th, 2012 @ 3:55pm

It all makes me feel stupid...

 

[IzzyBlanche]

One last thought before I sign off for the night. This is not directed at any specific poster.

I totally disagree that anyone who kills is ipso facto mentally ill. Mob bosses? Gang members? Members of drug cartels? Not very nice people, but I don't think they are all mentally ill.

Also, there is the whole area of psychopathy. I've read fairly extensively about this and most mental health professionals do not think psychopaths are mentally ill according to traditional definitions.

Just one of those :twocents: I wanted to throw in. Good night all and hugs all around. I'm honored to be a member of this community.

 

[kalekona]

Huh? What bill was that? Who introduced it?

States run institutions and there was a huge push by the ACLU to deinstitutionalize patients because of patient rights.

Regan closed facilities when he was Govener of CA, basically by simply not putting them in the budget..

 

[norest4thewicked]

That is not the same as mental illness.

Mayo Clinic says that it is.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/personality-disorders/DS00562

 

[mysticrose]

Can't speak for Footballmom but I'll say this.. Autism/Aspergers is NOT a mental illness.
And so far we have no evidence that he was violent prior to yesterday.

Clearly something went horribly wrong with him, I'm just saying that all the bashing of his mother for what she did or didn't do with a "mentally ill" son is unfounded.

And while I see no point in owning these types of guns I certianly know people of all walks of life who feel differently.

Thank you, I'll speak with you, Autism/Aspergers is not a mental illness, it is a neurological disorder of the brain ..........

 

[Angelonline]

That is not the same as mental illness.

If BPD or APD or NPD aren't mental illness then I don't know what is. Believe me, I lived 20 yrs with someone BPD. As long as he took his meds he was okay as soon as he felt "well" and stopped it was clear he was mentally ill

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Geraldo Rivera was behind a lot of that decision.

Really? I didn't know that. How so?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Killing Floor, the vastly addicting zombie wave defense game from Tripwire Interactive, is most commonly known for “Dosh!” which is periodically screamed by an Englishman in the game when activities relating to currency are involved.

http://oxcgn.com/2012/07/07/celebrate-killing-floors-summer-sideshow-with-harold-lott/

.... does this make sense .... I think it's just common gaming slang. Online gaming is a bit of a social outlet for boys who don't feel confident in real social settings, but having said that many normally social people also participate. I have a gamer friend who is also a radio DJ and just enjoys it for the community, recreation, and computer advice in general. The issue is when the gaming world replaces real life in people who are not socially active, or of course when a game is used as simulation for killing fantasies that are translated into real life.

Is there anything we could or should do about violent video games? I am not sure.

 

[mrsu]

NO, but what I posted is the best with what you have when in a classroom with no closet or bathroom. No one is safe when a killer is in the building.

After watching and reading everything from Sandy Hook, I would be crappin my pants, but I would hope I could be as calm as the teachers who were reading to her students in the closet to keep them calm, while knowing that a shooter was in her school. They are true heros

I agree with you. I am absolutely NOT trying to take away the fact that these teachers were heroes. ABSOLUTELY NOT. As parents we are just lead to believe our children are completely safe in our schools, when in reality they are not. I realize nobody plans on a mentally deranged shooter killing children, but IMO, they SHOULD. Especially these new schools being built. EVERY classroom should have an individual bathroom or closet with a metal door where everyone could go.

Our schools should have metal doors at every entrance point so unwanted entrance would be not be allowed what so ever. Thinking about this further, our school does have metal doors at the entrance. All doors but one of the probably 10 front doors lock during school hours. One door remains unlocked. Upon entry there is another row of metal doors that are locked with one door to the right (GLASS!!) that goes to the office. You must check in to the office in order to sign in, get a name tag, and proceed thru the office into the school. I believe they are attempting to take safety precautions, but again, if a shooter were to enter the first unlocked door, even IF the door to the office were locked, it could simply be shot out because it is all glass, making entry possible. Makes me wonder if they truly consider these things when they are designing schools? Seems like common sense to me.

I don't mean to get off topic. Maybe this isn't the time or place for this discussion, but I have been thinking so much about what would have happened if this would have happened in our own school. I just cannot imagine.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

The other 5 games are as follows - and here are the quotes that appear to be associated with them:

Natural Selection: "utter garbage 0/10 - "indie" devs need to learn how to optimize their shi_ _y games": December 12th, 2012 @ 2:23pm

CS GO: "dumbed down for cod babbys": December 12th, 2012 @ 9:03am

Killing Floor: "was fun till DLC hit - rip Dosh Floors": December 12th, 2012 @ 9:03am

Starwars Battlefront: "10/10, best online shooter ever": December 12th, 2012 @ 9:02am

Red Orchestra2: "black ops is better": November 19th, 2012 @ 3:55pm

It all makes me feel stupid...

Its a little "greek" to me too - I do know that cod is Call of Duty. But notice the post times - he just posted these reviews Dec. 12 - that's just 2 days before. 3 of them are back to back - timewise and the last one was 5 hours later.

indie devs is referring to the developer/writer of the game.

CS GO is Counterstrike: Global Offensive

Hopefully after I can get DS to look at these we can tell more.


Thankx!

 

[Sleuthster]

Here is a better link that doesn't say reportedly.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...-killed-27-in-elementary-school-massacre?lite

"His older brother told authorities Lanza had a history of mental problems, but the nature of them was not clear"

 

[FootballMom]

My dd who is 26 now used to play Quake (I think that's the name of it). People would go on different servers and go into these rooms where they would hunt each other down and shoot each other. That was the object of the game. She would hunt down....her father. Seriously. They would both log in and go after each other. Point is, she's a graphic artist, compassionate, and totally distraught over the deaths of these children. Cries if she steps on a bug and kills it.

I agree it's not the games IMO.

I watched my "violent" video game playing son choke up numerous times today while he was watching the news. He was especially saddened when he watched the interview with the 1st grade teacher & Diane Sawyer.

He also owns guns and hunts so he is far from anti-gun but is totally aware of the right place & proper use of them. He was absolutely appalled by some of the propaganda being spewed by some about how this could have been prevented - especially the idea proposed by one group to allow teachers to be armed.