Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

[CHERIE.T]

I get tired of just hearing him referred to as the "shooter". He is a flat out killer. A baby killer, at that.

Edited to add: This post is not directed at anyone in particular. It landed at random. I have a friend who is nicknamed "Shooter" and has been called that since birth. So I hate that his name is being used to describe such an evil person. Sorry if anyone thought I was criticizing their terminology.

Glad you said it. He imo deserves no respect ....he slaughtered 20 of our most innocent.

 

[flipflop]

Of course each case is different, what I was saying is that Autism and Aspergers are NOT mental illnesses.
It cannot be caused by trauma or neglect and it can not be treated with therapy or change in lifestyle or attitude.

People with Aspergers can develop mental illnesses such as anxiety or depression but it isn't part of the disorder.

I respect your opinion (bolded), but I strongly disagree and will move on.

 

[SwampMama]

Seriously? How????

Here is the Geraldo Rivera connection, I snipped a few passages and there is much more at the link

http://www.mhanys.org/policy/pp_willowbrook.htm

Geraldo did an expose of Willowbrook Institution


"In the mid-1960s, the movement known as deinstitutionalization began in earnest. Pressure was building to move people out of state run institutions for mental illness, mental retardation and developmental disabilities........

........ In 1971, Geraldo Rivera brought the horrors of institutional existence into our living rooms with his Willowbrook expose, forever changing the role of the state run institutional system. Rivera’s expose and book on Willowbrook titled, “A Report on How It Is and Why It Doesn't Have to Be That Way,” was the catalyst that brought about the class action lawsuit primarily responsible for changing this archaic system..........

The Willowbrook case led New York State to adopt sweeping change. Moreover, it became popular opinion that these deplorable conditions were unacceptable for people in state-run institutions, regardless of mental disability diagnosis. In furtherance of the goal to better meet the needs of these distinct and vulnerable populations, in 1978, the state Department of Mental Hygiene was separated into three, diagnosis-based offices – The Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse, the Office of Mental Retardation and Developmental Disabilities, and the Office of Mental Health.

Twenty-five years later, our state continues to lack that “balanced system of treatment that maximizes both public and non-public resources,” referred to by Secretary Morgado. What was accomplished for people with developmental disabilities and mental retardation has not been attained for people living with mental illnesses.

When looking at what has become of deinstitutionalization, in theory, it was an exceptionally well-intentioned effort. However, in practice, at least on the mental health side, it has been historically underfunded, and utterly lacking a plan. Because of political impotence here in New York, the census of our psychiatric hospitals dropped by nearly 80,000 before the first dollars finally began to follow people from institutions into the community in 1994....

Because of the failure to create a system to meet the demands of deinstitutionalization, we instead have experienced ‘transinstitutionalization.’ An entire population of people have moved, by way of police cars and courtrooms, from psychiatric hospitals to prisons and jails.......

. When today’s inmate population is considered with the US Department of Justice estimate that approximately 16% of inmates throughout the US have a diagnosable mental illness, we realize that approximately 15,000 individuals with mental illnesses are in correctional facilities in New York, alone.......


So, today, in 2002, 30 years after the Willowbrook expose, and nearly 25 years after the Carey administration declared its intent to fix the mental health system this is, to borrow a phrase from Geraldo, “how it is”.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Can anyone imagine losing your 3 children in this shooting?

I don't have children, I have no idea of the combination of sheer terror, relief and nerves this Dad went through

" Anthony Bloss, whose three daughters survived the shootings, said they are doing better than he is. "I'm numb. I'm completely numb," he said at Friday night's vigil in Newtown.

"President Barack Obama will attend an interfaith memorial service Sunday in Newtown. It will be the fourth time he has traveled to a city after a mass shooting.
The president had planned to travel to Maine Wednesday for an event promoting his positions in "fiscal cliff" negotiations, but the White House canceled that trip because of the shooting."

Bloss did NOT lose 3children. The article says his 3children survived.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I've heard horror stories about how the patients were mistreated.

But then again, letting the patients out of the institutions suddenly one day to roam the streets, unmedicated, uncared for has got to be ruthless too. I saw a town in NJ overrun with sad, hopeless former patients when they closed Marlboro State Psychiatric Hospital. I'll never forget it.

Some of these former patients that didn't get the proper community mental health care went on to fill up our jails and some just remained like tossed-away, homeless segments of our society.

Horrible any way you look at it.

I think America stigmatizes mental illness. It's like a taboo.

 

[jjenny]

I've heard horror stories about how the patients were mistreated.

But then again, letting the patients out of the institutions suddenly one day to roam the streets, unmedicated, uncared for has got to be ruthless too. I saw a town in NJ overrun with sad, hopeless former patients when they closed Marlboro State Psychiatric Hospital. I'll never forget it.

Some of these former patients that didn't get the proper community mental health care went on to fill up our jails and some just remained like tossed-away, homeless segments of our society.

Horrible any way you look at it.

I think America stigmatizes mental illness. It's like a taboo.

ITA.
However poorly they were treated, kicking them out on the street clearly is not a correct answer. I personally think the goal of this was to save money. It's extremely expensive to keep these people in the hospital long term.

 

[mikeysmommom]

This has really been horrendous,what this did. My heart bleeds for the children and adults taken way too soon and everyone who loved them.He also has effected so many other children who will hear about what he did and sit in their classroom in fear.

 

[gngr~snap]

OMG the makeshift memorial!!!!

 

[FootballMom]

I respect your opinion (bolded), but I strongly disagree and will move on.

You believe that Aspergers / Autism are a form of mental illness?

 

[kalekona]

Bloss did NOT lose 3children. The article says his 3children survived.

I think they were just saying he had 3 children in the school and so had the possibility of loosing three.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I have gone through numerous 'motive' scenarios, supported only by the flimsy and often erroneous reporting. This is a very interesting case. I speculate that the motive, is very child-like. E.g. AL blames his current condition, on his early years at this school; it is their fault that he has limitations. If teachers had recognized his special needs, he could have been like his brother. And this child-like motive, is in sharp contrast to the well organized, methodical planning & plotting, designed to exact the most painful degree of revenge.

Just maybe there is NO explosive motive..... No defined motive. Maybe the mass murderer simply snapped.

 

[gngr~snap]

48 Hours: Newtown - 48 Hours - CBS News

10:05 into video.
Dan Holmes NEVER MET ADAM!
Dan Holmes said...
"Mom was vocal about x husband years after...
her tone... how she was still reeling from it."

 

[kalekona]

You believe that Aspergers / Autism are a form of mental illness?

Technically it is listed in the DSM-IV but then so was Homosexuality- I think the science just hasn't caught up to the reality.

 

[LolaMoon08]

48 Hours: Newtown - 48 Hours - CBS News

10:05 into video.
Dan Holmes NEVER MET ADAM!
Dan Holmes said...
"Mom was vocal about x husband years after...
her tone... how she was still reeling from it."

Can you give me a quick recap? Who is Dan Holmes. I am still catching up on articles and other videos.

 

[brit1981]

there is nothing I can really add to this, apart from to say I just feel hollowed out for the families - forty parents, eighty grandparents, and numerous siblings and aunts, unclese, cousins, step-parents etc. The destruction is just unbelievable, and it is worse that it is christmas, and these parents have their homes filled with decorations, gifts for the children, their homemade decorations, cards, gifts etc.
it reminds me of the dunblane massacre in scotland where a grown man went into a children's PE class and shot at the four and five year olds killing thirteen of them.
There is no illness, or motive, that makes a person think it is right to murder children. There is no excuse.

 

[Reannan]

I hope the Pathologist saves tissue samples from AL because I would love to see testing done with the new technologies that are literally expanding every day... "CGH" - Complete Genomic Hybridization; "NGS" - Next Generation Sequencing.... these are molecular tools that are being used to diagnose a vast array of diseases, including Fragile X Syndrome - which is related to Autism. I believe his Mother was doing the absolute best she could with a difficult situation.... and apparently, doing it alone since AL had no contact with his brother since 2010. I believe there were other unusual things wrong with AL... the reports about him not feeling any pain - many of those kind of syndromes are rare, but also genetically based. I think she took AL out of school and stayed home with him because of his inability to feel pain, and thus, his risk for severe injury or death. As far as AL goes... it is obvious that he was a sick, twisted soul. Was it just because of the unlucky lot the genetic shuffle of life dealt him, or was it a combination of issues combined with inappropriate and/or inadequate treatment? THAT is what we need to know. What went wrong??? Please, save tissue and do current testing.. even if the results do not make sense to us now, in the future, they might give us new tools to identify and stop these kind of events from ever happening.

 

[gngr~snap]

Can you give me a quick recap? Who is Dan Holmes. I am still catching up on articles and other videos.

Dan Holmes local landscaper who was friendly with
mom for about 5 years...

He says she would go "target practicing" with her boys

**** he did not say went to a shooting range...
so maybe they did it in the woods?

 

[gngr~snap]

20:00 min into video the victims names are read off...:tears:
48 Hours: Newtown - 48 Hours - CBS News

 

[gngr~snap]

Vicky Soto and the dog that is looking
for and missing his "mama"!

 

[eileenhawkeye]

People say that the sickos commit these massacres for the infamy, but most mass killers, and their crimes have faded away. Many have been forgotten. Most are not household names anymore.

List of massacres in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many recent ones on the list that I don't remember. Many of them are not talked about in the media anymore. The next generation is not going to know about them.

So I don't know what goes through the killer's mind, but it's not true that every massacre becomes a Columbine. Most fade with the passage of time.

We worry so much about some dead sicko becoming ~notorious yet in 10 years, we don't even recall the crime.