Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen-#4

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  • #581
Worshippers flee Conn. church over threat report

... told there was a bomb threat not far from the elementary school where 20 kids and six adults were massacred. ...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/16/church-evacuation-connecticut/1772923/

As predicted by some members, this tragedy and the ensuing media and public feeding frenzy for info about it has rattled the cages of every sick person and organization out there.

God help this community.

God help us all.
 
  • #582
I just want to say, there is so much more here than meets the eye.

It is VERY emotional.
It's Christmas time.

Let's all step back, gather ourselves, before we move forward.
In other words, let's get a grip.

Best,
BH xo

So agree...and let us not make sweeping generalizations about the wealthy nor the poor.
 
  • #583
High profile crime and presidential visit...I bet that CSP would rather President Obama stay home. :(

Please everyone be safe and hold your loved ones close.
 
  • #584
I wanted to post excerpts from the following article.

I think this is what is wrong with our nation. We have to improve the mental health care! We have too. I remember being in Graduate School in the 80's. The head of the dept was sitting there reading the paper and said what a crisis it will be when those services where cut and these people were put out on the street. His words have haunted me for years..

This is an article written by a lady who has a child who will probably be a school shooter one day if he doesn't kill her first. This is what she lives with daily.please read the whole article...this is just a small part..think about this child's siblings pray for this mother and all the others who are going through this...thanks to palaminodee for posting the link here the other day.


http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/


Please don't say that anyone's child will "probably" be a school shooter, no matter how severe his problems are. No one really can predict that, and you don't help the case of mentally ill youth by making blanket statements like that. Yes, the woman's child is severely ill. Yes, our mental health care system does not have a good way to handle children like him. We need to fix that, but not because they're all going to be school shooters. We need to fix it because it is the humane thing to do. Mass murders are still rare, exceptional crimes. Mentally ill people are far more likely to harm themselves than to commit mass murder.

We don't know yet whether the Sandy Hook gunman was mentally ill, and we don't know what, if anything, was done to treat him. But I can assure you that at 20 years old, his parents could not have, for all the money in the world, gotten him treatment if he refused it. In my state, once a child turns fourteen -- yes 14 -- they control their mental health treatment. No parent can force them into therapy. You can hospitalize them only using the same involuntary commitment rules that apply to adults

The woman in the Anarchist Soccer Mom blog has a son who is still a minor, and even she can't access treatment for him consistently. She is absolutely right that any kids like hers end up in the juvenile justice system when their parents can't control them anymore. They don't all commit mass murder.
 
  • #585
Please don't say that anyone's child will "probably" be a school shooter, no matter how severe his problems are. No one really can predict that, and you don't help the case of mentally ill youth by making blanket statements like that. Yes, the woman's child is severely ill. Yes, our mental health care system does not have a good way to handle children like him. We need to fix that, but not because they're all going to be school shooters. We need to fix it because it is the humane thing to do. Mass murders are still rare, exceptional crimes. Mentally ill people are far more likely to harm themselves than to commit mass murder.

We don't know yet whether the Sandy Hook gunman was mentally ill, and we don't know what, if anything, was done to treat him. But I can assure you that at 20 years old, his parents could not have, for all the money in the world, gotten him treatment if he refused it. In my state, once a child turns fourteen -- yes 14 -- they control their mental health treatment. No parent can force them into therapy. You can hospitalize them only using the same involuntary commitment rules that apply to adults

The woman in the Anarchist Soccer Mom blog has a son who is still a minor, and even she can't access treatment for him consistently. She is absolutely right that any kids like hers end up in the juvenile justice system when their parents can't control them anymore. They don't all commit mass murder.

Thank you for balancing the viewpoints. This is an emotional time for our country and with time this tragedy can hopefully be viewed with some perspective. And, better yet, with some measure of prevention of yet another mass shooting.
 
  • #586
In this instance, regarding this case, I tend to agree with them if you are right in the premise. I cite the reams of initial and inacurate info that came out about this case in the rush to get the story.

I miss the days when journalists did research and checked their facts. I am not a fan of this internet phenomenon where everyone who has an opinion is considered a "source" or worse yet a "reporter"

The lines have become too blurred, nowhere is it more evident than in this case.

MOO

LE appears to be entering the phase where it begins to imagine that the public has no right to information, and thus seeks to draw the blinds by categorizing all information as being somehow intrinsic to the investigation.
 
  • #587
Please don't say that anyone's child will "probably" be a school shooter, no matter how severe his problems are. No one really can predict that, and you don't help the case of mentally ill youth by making blanket statements like that. Yes, the woman's child is severely ill. Yes, our mental health care system does not have a good way to handle children like him. We need to fix that, but not because they're all going to be school shooters. We need to fix it because it is the humane thing to do. Mass murders are still rare, exceptional crimes. Mentally ill people are far more likely to harm themselves than to commit mass murder.

We don't know yet whether the Sandy Hook gunman was mentally ill, and we don't know what, if anything, was done to treat him. But I can assure you that at 20 years old, his parents could not have, for all the money in the world, gotten him treatment if he refused it. In my state, once a child turns fourteen -- yes 14 -- they control their mental health treatment. No parent can force them into therapy. You can hospitalize them only using the same involuntary commitment rules that apply to adults

The woman in the Anarchist Soccer Mom blog has a son who is still a minor, and even she can't access treatment for him consistently. She is absolutely right that any kids like hers end up in the juvenile justice system when their parents can't control them anymore. They don't all commit mass murder.

I apologize and will go change it However I sincerely feel that her perspective is very important.I also think she is trying to keep something like this from happening with her child. I realize a 20 yr old is different. But this mother is doing all she can in my opinion.
 
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High profile crime and presidential visit...I bet that CSP would rather President Obama stay home. :(

Please everyone be safe and hold your loved ones close.

But then there are those who are going to say our president should have been there. I think it's important to the families to express their feelings to someone as powerful as President Obama.
 
  • #590
So another sick monster is looming. This poor, battered community. God bless each and every one of them.

It could be a rumor or someone who craves attention. These people need peace right now. I hope it's just a rumor and not some sicko craving attention.
 
  • #591
Hugs to you.....I cried all day yesterday even when I found out my grandson is coming home for the Holidays. He is offically a Marine now!!


:seeya: Oh and im your neighbor.


Heres a group hug.....:grouphug:

I'm so happy for you!!
 
  • #592
LE appears to be entering the phase where it begins to imagine that the public has no right to information, and thus seeks to draw the blinds by categorizing all information as being somehow intrinsic to the investigation.



IMO, what do we REALLY need to know? We know what happened, where and by whom. There is no reason that I can see to be looking at anyone other then to satisfy our own need to "find out".

Everyone is dead, there will be no trial. If LE thinks it's in the best interest of the investigation to "draw the blinds" then so be it.


Don't misunderstand, I'm just as curious as everyone else but don't feel that is more important than what LE is doing.
 
  • #593
Snipped from article:

Two law enforcement sources said the hard drive had been removed from Lanza's computer and broken in pieces. They said that forensic electronics experts at the FBI will examine the drive in an effort to determine with whom Lanza corresponded electronically and how he otherwise used the device.

No!!!!!!!!! Is there any way it can be repaired??

Hard to say, but the answer is yes, to some degree at least. There are companies that do computer "salvage"....more typically run over by a car, burned in a fire, dropped in the ocean, dropped off a balcony...you name it....
 
  • #594
difficult

(couldn't hear question) --- this is one idea under discussion.

[all of above paraphrased from press conference - not word for word or direct quotes.]

The reporter asked whether the students would be bussed to another school starting on Wednesday. Officer responded that that was one of the ideas that was being discussed. But they wanted to ensure that the students were kept together, because they all need to be around each other in order to overcome this. They do not want to split classes up as it will hinder the healing process
 
  • #595
In this instance, regarding this case, I tend to agree with them if you are right in the premise. I cite the reams of initial and inacurate info that came out about this case in the rush to get the story.

I miss the days when journalists did research and checked their facts. I am not a fan of this internet phenomenon where everyone who has an opinion is considered a "source" or worse yet a "reporter"

The lines have become too blurred, nowhere is it more evident than in this case.

MOO
There really was never a golden age when reporters carefully sourced each aspect of an investigation.

It's always been a Pavlovian rush to grab the first morsel.

Headlines were always the engine of newsstand sales.

(Of course, columnists and op/ed writers have it easier; their deadlines are not a reporter's deadline.)

The advent of the instant-publish internet has, even more than in the past, replaced accuracy with immediacy.

The burden on the reader - on the consumer of news - to be a critical thinker is ever more important.
 
  • #596
You can't lie on an application, trade law, remember balloon boy, just goes on and on, a lot further than just police report and under oath.

Balloon boy parents reported it to LE. It's not illegal to lie to the press, as far as I know.
 
  • #597
I happen to stumble across one of these trolls last night on a post. Very disturbing things he was saying. He was posting from 4 FB pages. One of which he named Ryan Lanza. I'm hoping today those pages were shut down before family members read those posts

Sent from my HTC PH39100 using Tapatalk 2


Unfortunately they have not been taken down. People are impersonating AL on facebook. There are also fan pages for AL.
 
  • #598
IMO, what do we REALLY need to know? We know what happened, where and by whom. There is no reason that I can see to be looking at anyone other then to satisfy our own need to "find out".

Everyone is dead, there will be no trial. If LE thinks it's in the best interest of the investigation to "draw the blinds" then so be it.


Don't misunderstand, I'm just as curious as everyone else but don't feel that is more important than what LE is doing.
Yes, it's always important to know as soon as possible what happened. Rudimentary facts - the official release of the shooter's name, say - are details intrinsic to the public's understanding of the case. It is within the public's right to know if law enforcement has a handle on the case, or whether its secrecy cloaks something amiss with the investigation.
 
  • #599
they evacuated a local church for a bomb threat.....ugggggg.
 
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