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[FootballMom]

Since he apparently destroyed his hard drive, we will probably never know.

I'm soooo not a computer expert by any means but knowing the Feds certainly surely are couldn't his on-line presence be traced through an IP address? Smarter folks out there please correct me if I am way off.

 

[LaneGirl]

@Pensfan... No disrespect but how do you medicate someone 13+? Do you grind it in their food/drink is that acceptable? Again I'm not trying to be disrespectful I'm seriously asking a question as to how you medicate someone who refuses to take medication? I remember when my kids were sick and need anitboitics and I literally had to hold them down to give them their rx and they were 6ish. I felt aweful.

 

[manzana]

I'm soooo not a computer expert by any means but knowing the Feds certainly surely are couldn't his on-line presence be traced through an IP address? Smarter folks out there please correct me if I am way off.

Not so much that as they will subpoena who ever was their ISP, since Adam did not leave the house much, there will be quite a bit with Time-warner or whoever was their ISP. Destroying his hard drive is only half the battle.

 

[popsicle]

I love these people being shown on CNN from all over showing their love and support to the families and the community during this time.

 

[mysterygirl]

I'm just curious if you were ever actually in a mental institution of yesteryear? I was a volunteer in one along with my teen church group in the early 1970s. It was a State-run institution and was very nice. We played bingo and also danced. The only reason it was closed is this nation's collective denial that such services were needed and still are needed.

Any institution is only as good as the people who work there. It is possible to provide quality care and living arrangements for mentally ill people. As it stands now, there are far too many families struggling to cope.

JMO

Well I'm sure some places were better than others.

But I've watched and read about the abuses in many state run institutions. They are all over youtube. And some were absolutely horrible.

But none of that addresses the issue that many are missing.

It was decided that mentally ill people have rights too. So you can't commit someone indefinitely. I didn't decide that..........the courts did.

That is why there has to be some type of middle road.

It's sad and I don't know what the answer is besides some type of compromise between yesteryear and today.

 

[tlcya]

I can find no link to info regading if AL's computers had been destroyed.

ETA no publishable link

 

[justice be served]

I can find no link to info regading if AL's computers had been destroyed.

It was reported on CNN and that computer forensic experts will attempt to pursue hard drive info. Iirc I was even thinking it was LE that gave that info that he had removed and destroyed his hard drives. Sorry no link but quite sure about this. And there were 2 separate computers kept in a room separate from his bedroom. He had two rooms.

 

[Quester]

... Police also said they were analyzing a hard drive from [AL]'s computer that had been broken into pieces. ...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...connecticut-shooting-20121216,0,1272369.story

 

[jjenny]

I can find no link to info regading if AL's computers had been destroyed.

ETA no publishable link

Here:
"Sources said he smashed the hard drive on his computer to prevent information from being recovered from it."
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stor...er-gun-laws--newtown-church-gets-death-threat

 

[Isabelle]

I can find no link to info regading if AL's computers had been destroyed.

ETA no publishable link

The information about the hard drive being broken up is in an article, I don't know which one it is, but I have read it and it further stated that FBI has the hard drive and are going to try to retrieve information from it. All I can say is go back to earlier threads and you will find a link, you will just have to read all of them until you find it. Sorry.

 

[Tipstaff]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...er-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

I have a problem with the mom's statements in this posted article. She implied that her son tried numerous medications that did not work. The truth is that there are MANY extremely effective medications that can snow/sedate out-of-control individuals and keep them sedated. Many times the caretaker parent CHOOSES to not use these antipsychotic medications in the dosage that sedates their dangerous loved one to the point where they are no longer impulsive and dangerous. (Yes, it is difficult to see your loved one sedated to such an extreme and they can develop tardive dyskinesia.) The caretaker MUST make this difficult decision because there is no one else to make it. There are very few long-term care psychiatric hospitals which used to protect society from the violently mentally ill. Caretakers must sedate their loved one that is prone to impulsive violent rages and keep them CONSTANTLY sedated or they will eventually become a victim of their loved one's violence.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

Thanks for this post Pensfan - so let's say this works while the parent is in control of what the child takes.

Once the child becomes an adult and can choose to stop the medication or become non-complaint in regularity of meds aren't we facing a bigger problem with an adult who can reek havoc if they choose.

And isn't this problem and resolution just delayed?

 

[epiphany]

I can find no link to info regading if AL's computers had been destroyed.

ETA no publishable link

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Two law enforcement sources said the hard drive had been removed from Lanza's computer and broken in pieces. They said that forensic electronics experts at the FBI will examine the drive in an effort to determine with whom Lanza corresponded electronically and how he otherwise used the device.

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...0121215,0,1878564.story?page=2&obref=obinsite

 

[MyBelle]

Well I'm sure some places were better than others.

But I've watched and read about the abuses in many state run institutions. They are all over youtube. And some were absolutely horrible.

But none of that addresses the issue that many are missing.

It was decided that mentally ill people have rights too. So you can't commit someone indefinitely. I didn't decide that..........the courts did.

That is why there has to be some type of middle road.

It's sad and I don't know what the answer is besides some type of compromise between yesteryear and today.

I don't know of anywhere that allowed the institutionalizing of anyone indefinitely. The fact is that there are little to NO mental health resources now in most communities.

Abuses are certainly horrible and there have been abuses found in VA hospitals but nobody is thinking of solving the abuse problem by closing them all down.

I think the protection of innocents trumps the rights of mentally-ill people who need protection from themselves.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

It was reported on CNN and that computer forensic experts will attempt to pursue hard drive info. Iirc I was even thinking it was LE that gave that info that he had removed and destroyed his hard drives. Sorry no link but quite sure about this.

I agree, I heard/read it also. But someone, matou, asked for a link.

With facts so fluid and sketchy and so much misinformation, I am trying to oblige the request for link even tho it wasn't asked of me specifically.

 

[Wendy101]

Wonder when the next unstable youngster is going to "top" this massacre. As much as I want to know what happened...I don't think it is such a good idea to broadcast it on National TV.. IMO it may provoke another unstable person to "do a better job".

 

[tlcya]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...am-Lanza-rigged-rifle-for-maximum-damage.html

Adam Lanza planned his murderous rampage with meticulous precision, destroying his computer's hard-drive to hinder investigators and rigging his semi-automatic rifle "Rambo-style" to fire with maximum efficiency.

I have no idea of its veracity but it is MSM I think.

 

[gramcracker]

snipped for space

Who knows why some kids thrive under certain environments, while other kids sink in the same. It's interesting, though, isn't it? Because she does have other kids who aren't suffering in this way, so we can't blame parenting style alone in her case, can we?

a quote from Shana Alexander's book about the Patty Hearst kidnapping and criminal trial: Anyone's Daughter, 1980 paperback edition, page 527. it has never left my mind

Child psychologists recently have identified a mysterious new category of people whom they call "invulnerable children." The mystery the doctors set out to answer is why some kids simply do not break down, despite the most stressful, deranged, impoverished, bereaved, punishing, and catastrophic of childhoods. "These splendid children," one doctor writes, "have this extraordinary equanimity." He illustrates his point by telling a story about three dolls, each one hit by a hammer. One doll is glass, one is plastic, and one is steel. The first shatters, the second is scarred, but the third gives off "a fine, metallic sound. It's that sound that we're all trying to investigate," the doctor says. Patricia Hearst, too, has been hit by a hammer. Yet with her, one still hears no sound at all.

 

[Isabelle]

Has anything been published or mentioned about the man who was taken in handcuffs from the school the day of the incident?

 

[JBean]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...er-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

I have a problem with the mom's statements in this posted article. She implied that her son tried numerous medications that did not work. The truth is that there are MANY extremely effective medications that can snow/sedate out-of-control individuals and keep them sedated. Many times the caretaker parent CHOOSES to not use these antipsychotic medications in the dosage that sedates their dangerous loved one to the point where they are no longer impulsive and dangerous. (Yes, it is difficult to see your loved one sedated to such an extreme and they can develop tardive dyskinesia.) The caretaker MUST make this difficult decision because there is no one else to make it. There are very few long-term care psychiatric hospitals which used to protect society from the violently mentally ill. Caretakers must sedate their loved one that is prone to impulsive violent rages and keep them CONSTANTLY sedated or they will eventually become a victim of their loved one's violence.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

But there are many that do not work and/or the diagnosis is not correct therefore the med is wrong. As you know, diagnosing some of these patients- especially children- is a process. They are diagnosed- rediagnosed- dual diagnosed and on. getting a medication that effectively treats the symptoms is tough and a lot of trial and error. They feel bad on the meds and off the meds.

It all happens over a period of time with family, community and professional help and intervention. Particularly troublesome is that some of these illnesses don't manifest themselves until the young adult is no longer a minor but not yet a major- so getting them to voluntarily cooperate is difficult on a good day. I have a step that is bipolar 1 severe w/mania. Even at that the switch was not flipped until age 16 and episodes were spaced so far apart it was nearly impossible to tell the difference between age related changes and mental illness. teens are a tumultuous time anyway so to figure out what is normal is a challenge. At one point he was diagnosed as schizo affective and put on an anti-psychotic. The results were catastrophic.

My heart aches for all the families that deal with mental illness- because even taking advantage of every available option, treatment,doctor and support network it is not an exact science and you will even have doctors that completely disagree on diagnosis.

It is a long hard road and sometime people can only hope they are doing everything right. Sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't.

 

[tlcya]

Guess I should have come up for air more in my quest :blush: