Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #5

[Donjeta]

It sounds to me like she was overly protective and feared the boy might hurt himself if he wasn't watched over like a hawk. I mean, really, how could anyone babysit a child for an extended period and not use the bathroom. What did the mother do… take him into the bathroom with her when she had to go? And did she supervise the child's bathroom visits as well? IMO, it seems that would make for a very neurotic child. JMHO and all that.

I'm not saying NL did this, personally I think the babysitter is exaggerating his memory due to the traumatic event that just occurred.

It would certainly make children stand out at school if they always had a minder accompany them to the toilets.

 

[gxm]

Maybe the closest people are too shaken by all of this to talk in the media?

And I bet they are wracked with pain and going through "what if" scenarios again and again, wondering if they could have helped prevent this tragedy.

 

[jjenny]

A lot of those meds come with warning may cause violent thoughts or suicidal tendencies.

But some of the people put on these meds likely had these thoughts and tendencies to begin with.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Sometimes autism spectrum disorders can be associated with reduced responsiveness to pain.


http://www.autism-help.org/comorbid-sensory-problems.htm

There may be problems in recognizing and interpreting different sensations (although there are also some reports that adults may not always be able to reliably interpret the signs that autistic children are in pain).

Thank you for that, it's interesting.

My former boss' youngest son has Asperger's...and this is what my boss had told us...that his son cannot feel pain as "normal" people do. He can hurt himself and not really be aware of it, or certainly to the extent that most of us would be aware. That damage could occur to him before he would move/retreat from the pain.

His son would come in the office and be pleasant (good manners), but seemed shy and quiet. He liked routine in everything, they worked their family life around Ben's routines.

When I first heard the comment that Adam didn't feel emotional or physical pain like others would, I immediately thought of what my boss described with his son.

 

[Donjeta]

One theory that I've heard (about drugs and suicidal tendencies) is that while the self- destructive thoughts may be there all along, there is a period of time when starting the medications that is more risky because the medication hasn't got time to properly kick in yet and do away with the suicidal ideations but it's already working to give the subject more energy and initiative. So while they may not be any more depressed and suicidal as they were before the medication they may be more at risk because if they have suicidal thoughts they are more likely to get up and do something about it.

No link so take it FWIW. (And I don't know if AL was on any medications and if he was for how long.)

 

[txsvicki]

Mental illness may have gotten worse, and the divorce had nothing to do with anything. It sounds like the mom had control of all the education and childcare. So far, there have been no reports of an actual personality to define the shooter regarding how he felt about anything. I'm curious to learn if he ever expressed himself with anyone other than to argue with his mom, or was just in his own little world going in and out of catatonic episodes.

 

[Elley Mae]

Timeline:

Late 2008 - divorce filed
Sept 2009 - divorced finalized
? 2009 - did not return to college despite a B average
? 2009 - dad moved in with his girlfriend
? 2010 - became estranged from his dad
2012 - dad remarries
? - became estranged from his brother

Can anyone help fill in the gaps?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sandy-hook-killer-college-classes-16-article-1.1221831

Adam Lanza, 20, was enrolled in Western Connecticut State University from 2008 to 2009, officials at the Danbury school confirmed Sunday.

"He started in summer of 2008 when he was 16," college spokesman Paul Steinmetz told the Daily News.

 

[nursebeeme]

The argument about medication is about the same as to what came before-the chicken or the egg? Presumably they are put on medication because they have issues.

not to mention we don't know what medication (if any) he was on.

 

[~n/t~]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sandy-hook-killer-college-classes-16-article-1.1221831

Adam Lanza, 20, was enrolled in Western Connecticut State University from 2008 to 2009, officials at the Danbury school confirmed Sunday.

"He started in summer of 2008 when he was 16," college spokesman Paul Steinmetz told the Daily News.

Is this accurate? Asking because at 16 aren't they still in high school?

 

[Kimster]

Mod warning:

We know nothing concrete about the family dynamics.
As I have posted before almost all accounts of Nancy as a mother portray her as a lovely devoted mother.
Attacking her integrity and her choices will not be tolerated at this time. Not only it is this a victim friendly site- but we have not got the first clue what is or is not true as it relates to the shooter and his mother.

She has paid the ultimate price. leave her alone. Leave the family alone, the whole family.

We do not know enough.

THIS IS THE FINAL WARNING. If you see members violate please alert.

 

[otto]

I haven't had time to catch up this morning,but thought this was interesting. I have no answers but I do wonder what all these meds are doing to our children's young minds. According to this link,all these school shooters were on medication. What did we do before medications? We already know that some anti depressants cause suiciadal tendencies in some.( which makes no sense at all to me). Do these meds alter some peoples brains? Should a side effect now be, may cause homocidal tendencies?

http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/

I don't think that meds had anything to do with this. The problem seems obvious to me: this young man, who had Asperger's syndrome, should not have had access to guns. <modsnip>

 

[nursebeeme]

Is this accurate? Asking because at 16 aren't they still in high school?

I saw another report that said the same thing (need to find the link)... that he was taking college classes while in hs.

(fwiw, I did the same thing... it is possible.)

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Is this accurate? Asking because at 16 aren't they still in high school?

I've been confused about this.

We hear she took him out of school, for whatever reason, to homeschool him.

Then we have had reports of boys who "graduated HS" with him.

Then we hear he received his GED.

I'm not sure what's fact and what his not necessarily correct.

Anyone seen anything to clear this up? TIA

 

[Kimster]

I've been confused about this.

We hear she took him out of school, for whatever reason, to homeschool him.

Then we have had reports of boys who "graduated HS" with him.

Then we hear he received his GED.

I'm not sure what's fact and what his not necessarily correct.

Anyone seen anything to clear this up? TIA

If he was socially awkward, she probably tried a lot of things to help him and all of the above might have occurred.

As for the "graduated HS", sometimes that is used loosely to say the same kids were in his grade.

 

[ontariolynn]

Another thing I thought of, he may just be waiting out of respect for the other families till ALL the others have had their funerals. MOO

I totally agree out of respect for the victims and their families, also watching The View this morning, regardless of what the mother did do, should have done, did not do, we really know nothing about how she was trying to care for him, but it was said that she had (4) shots to her face, so was she trying to stop him, we have no idea right now, but her death is also very sad, but because it was her son, I think a lot of people are blaming her, when we do not have all the facts, another thing on The View, the Dr. said that parents should stop buying violent Video games for all children, and I agree 100%

 

[Wendy101]

Oh goodness, hope it's okay to post this

Adam Lanza's father 'struggling to make sense' of how shy 20-year-old turned into child killer... as nobody comes forward to collect bodies of gunman and his mother

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ense-shy-20-year-old-turned-child-killer.html

:banghead: what is the man supposed to do? Pick up the body of his ex-wife and son and take them home until there is a time slot for a funeral? Why would Mr Lanza be responsible for his ex-wife funeral anyway? There is probably over 26 funerals scheduled in that little town within the next few days..when the heck is the expectation of Mr Lanza?

Sorry for my rant

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

One theory that I've heard (about drugs and suicidal tendencies) is that while the self- destructive thoughts may be there all along, there is a period of time when starting the medications that is more risky because the medication hasn't got time to properly kick in yet and do away with the suicidal ideations but it's already working to give the subject more energy and initiative. So while they may not be any more depressed and suicidal as they were before the medication they may be more at risk because if they have suicidal thoughts they are more likely to get up and do something about it.

No link so take it FWIW. (And I don't know if AL was on any medications and if he was for how long.)

ITA with the above! I have no links to back it up, either. One of the biggest mistakes made today is some physicians hand out these meds like they're candy without secure monitoring.

Ideally, anyone starting these medications would be hospitalized to see how they react. Most people do just fine. Others.. not so much. In a hospital setting patients can be watched for adverse reactions.. including increasing suicidal ideation.

However, that would be extremely cost prohibitive for most patients (both privately insured & government aided). I don't see this ever happening. We're talking two weeks for full affects to be noticed. Good or bad.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

If he was socially awkward, she probably tried a lot of things to help him and all of the above might have occurred.

As for the "graduated HS", sometimes that is used loosely to say the same kids were in his grade.

I did really wonder about the "graduated HS" with him, and wonder if that's what they meant.

Now there are reports that she was looking at Engineering schools for Adam, and maybe moving to Washington.

I'm wondering what his status was, so that she thought him going to Engineering school would be good, or even possible for him? Whose idea was it to look into sending him to Engineering School - did Adam want to, or did she want him to, or ???

So many unanswered questions right now. We'll probably understand better as time progresses.

 

[~n/t~]

I've been confused about this.

We hear she took him out of school, for whatever reason, to homeschool him.

Then we have had reports of boys who "graduated HS" with him.

Then we hear he received his GED.

I'm not sure what's fact and what his not necessarily correct.

Anyone seen anything to clear this up? TIA

Same here. Media is all over the place. It's come to the point where I'm starting to doubt everything except if it's directly from LE.

Crazy.

 

[hockeymom]

As far as meds go,I'm not advocating for not medicating,believe me,I worked in a psych hospital for years,but I wonder about putting children on meds at an early age say for ADD. Is ADD something new(in my day they call it hyperactivity)? I'm thinking of one of my neighbors growing up. He was wild in elementary school. Today he would have been immediatly labeled and put on some form of medication. Back then they just used behavioral stuff,which most of the time didn't work. In high school, I believe he became a pothead. Quiet,few friends,always wore his coat in school. Today he is a Captain in the NYS police.
I know that many kids do need medication,but i wonder if we are too quick to put them on something an too early and age,instead of trying behavioral therapy,and then these meds alter their still developing brains,so when they do hit their teens and young adulthood they are prone to worse problems? I just don't know,thinking outloud here.