Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #5

[mck16]

There is no meds for Asperger's; behavior modification, therapy, OT, and maybe an IEP but there is no drug to "fix" it. If he was on meds, it was for something else that can occur with Asperger's like depression, anxiety or OCD or on meds for a completely different things.

I do hope that the toxicology reports come back and say what kind of meds he was on so the media will stop with the whole Asperger thing. I do worry however, that the damage is already done and kids with AS will have to deal with the backlash.

Yes, you are right. I thnk that was the point this gentleman was trying to make. If AL did have AS he had much more that was affecting him. ty

 

[Trino]

I don't know if this has been posted - sorry to duplicate if it has, but there are soooo many post to wade through here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...other-Nancy-shot-face-killer-son-Newtown.html

NL apparently was shot as she lay in bed. I wonder if there was an altercation before she went to bed.

AL also destroyed his computer with a hammer.

Sure seems planned before going to the school.

 

[toscaxyz]

You do not have to own the gun, if you are with someone else or bring your own. I don't think they check when you arrive. There is a minimum age limit, but we have ranges near us that will allow children over the age of 12, as long as they are with a parent. Other states will allow 10-yr-olds, based on what I've read.

Thanks for clarifying that for me, belimom.

So it appears that no one at the firing range would likely have considered it unusual for him to go by himself. It also means that at least sometimes he had access to his mother's guns without her supervision. She must have trusted him with them to some extent.

 

[belimom]

BBM
IMO this statement has been sensationalized by the media and others. I believe she meant that Adam could injure himself when the babysitter wasn't watching. Remember, he did not feel pain and was in danger of hurting himself and not knowing he was injured or actually possibly harming himself on purpose. I don't for a moment believe it was to warn the babysitter that Adam might injure him. MOO

You could be right. The point I was trying to make is that I'm sure - in 20 years - there were warning signs that he needed help. I just read a quote in a news article that a friend quoted the mom as saying that caring for her son was a full-time job.

Mark Tambascio, the other owner of the bar, said caring for her troubled son was Lanza’s full-time job.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...on-adam-worse-article-1.1221505#ixzz2FLymkSPx

I also want to point out that most Aspie kids are not violent.

 

[not_my_kids]

I have a child with violent tendencies. He is not bigger than me, stronger than me, or faster than me...YET. But he will be. His father is 6'2 and it looks like he might pass him in height when he's all grown up.

Believe me when I say that we take all reasonable precautions in my home, including locking up the sharps, not letting him be alone with the younger kids, and using every in-home alarm system known to man. And in spite of all our precautions, he can hurt himself if he wants, and he can hurt someone else if he really wants to. He knows how to kick, punch, headbutt, bite, and when all else fails, he will vomit or pee on you, if he doesn't want to be held to be calmed down.

Someday, it is highly likely that he will simply pick up a piece of furniture, use a broken piece of glass as a weapon, or simply pick the lock on the drawer that holds the knives, and there will likely be no other choice but to call the police for emergency help. It is, in fact, what his crisis counselor has suggested, and is part of our family safety plan for when that day comes. Younger kids run outside to the truck, lock themselves in and wait for help or the all clear. Mom calls 9-1-1 for police assistance and ambulance transport to the nearest psych hospital. Luckily that's about 5 minutes away.

Calling the police on your child and putting them in a cell might seem like a craxy, cold-hearted solution. It's not. Sometimes, there is no other solution that will keep everyone in the situation safe.

 

[SmoothOperator]

ya know I'd really like to see the statements made that he even had Aspergers??

I, personally am only aware of the one utterance supposedly made by his brother in an extremely high anxiety moment in time where he is being surrounded, handcuffed, and carted off, and learning his mom and many kids are dead at the hands of his brother..

I believe he even made quite clear that he was altogether unsure of what type mental illness or other dx his brother even had(combined with having had zero contact in over 2 yrs with his brother)..IIRC IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE HE BELIEVED HIS BROTHER MAY HAVE A FORM OF AUTISM, MAYBE ASPERGERS, OR SOME TYPE MENTAL ILLNESS..(obviously not a quote, but rather my paraphrasing)

my point is this utterance has now been taken and run with as fact(and not speaking of here but much worse the entire world)... and with zero real or factual basis, correct?

maybe I'm incorrect and I missed where we've had an actual statement of someone with factual knowledge of the brothers dx??..if so, who?

 

[epiphany]

I don't know how to pull a transcript from a Fox show but today on Megan Kelly's show she had a panel of people discussing asbergers syndrome. They each had a child who had been diagnosed and they were also leaders of various organizations. Anyway one of the men, who I believe knew NL and AL, made the comment that AL was on strong medication for his illness. I don't know how he knew this or what he was basing it on, but I guess we will find out if it is true when toxicology is released.

If someone can tell me how to get the transcript or video I will go back and get it. tia

Is this the video you're looking for?

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/12/1...the-wake-of-the-newtown-shooting/#more-100592

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

His tribute came after describing how humbling it was to find out how much of an impact he had on Pinto's short life.
In fact, Pinto's parents are considering burying Jack in a Cruz No. 80 football shirt, as they prepare to bury him next Monday.
Cruz said he plans to give the gloves he wore during the game to the boy's family, and spend some time with them.

He said: 'There's no words that can describe the type of feeling that you get when a kid idolizes you so much that unfortunately they want to put him in the casket with your jersey on.
'I can't even explain it.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Sandy-Hook-shooting-victim-Jack-Pinto-6.html

 

[gxm]

So six children escaped alive from Ms. Soto's class.

And the seven hiding in the closet. Yes? That's wonderful news.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

She also isn't telling the complete truth. There are many mediations available that could sedate a Tyrannosaurus Rex. This mom CHOOSES not to give her allegedly violent son such antipsychotic medication.

This mom has a blog where she has written cruel posts about her children in which she fantasizes about beating them, locking them up and giving them away. On her blog, her allegedly violent son is presented as a normal boy who makes her furious by being messy, buying excessive MacIntosh products and supporting democrats.

I refuse to post this wench's blog address, but you can google it under Anarchist Soccer Mom. Oh yeah.....her blog has advertisements on it. I wonder if she bashed her son and then went on NBC with her "story" for $$$$$$$ reasons.

When I read that the first time, I was glad someone wasn't afraid to say that ANY of us could be the mother. I was thinking how valuable it would be to actually discuss how to help mothers rather than vilify them. IMO that's what we do- we point out all the parental flaws so we can feel better that it can't happen to us. which allows the next mom to turn a blind eye, believing that if they just be a good parent it won't happen. Even then, I was horrified that she did not do it anonymously.

BUT- now that I see this. I feel sick. I do not believe in her methods at all. I I do not support her outlook and parenting. I am so sorry I ever defended it. I am not above admitting when I was wrong and I was wrong. I should have read more of her blog before reading it with my own perceptions attached.

 

[Donjeta]

I have an acquaintance who has a son with high functioning autism and though I've never met the boy, from what she says he seems like a very sweet boy. IMO, autism and/or Asperger's are not the cause of violent tendencies, there's something else at work. But I'm not a doctor or specialist, so what do I know. I'd be interested to see if brain scans of autism and Asperger's patients show a lack of functioning in the brain's empathy centers. Does anyone know if this has been researched and verified?

I will say that she is devoted to the boy and her world very much revolves around him and finding natural means (diet, etc.) to help his condition. IMO, this appears to be the case with a lot of mothers and family members, the autistic child becomes their life's work. There's a part of me that wonders if that may have a negative impact because once the child is grown, they are suddenly thrust into a world that doesn't revolve around them. I would think that would be very frightening and leave the grown child feeling exceedingly vulnerable. JMO and all that.

BBM
Here's a relatively recent article about some of the findings:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3513685/

There are eg. differences in the brain activation during social processing tasks, face processing, theory of mind and mirroring tasks, during cognitive control tasks relevant to restricted and repetitive behaviors and interests, differential lateralization and activation of language processing and production regions during communication tasks; different responses to social and nonsocial rewards, and differences in brain connectivity.

The differences may be slight and only seen statistically when averaged over groups, not necessarily useful in diagnosing individuals on the basis of a single brain scan.

 

[toscaxyz]

I have a child with violent tendencies. (snip)


Calling the police on your child and putting them in a cell might seem like a craxy, cold-hearted solution. It's not. Sometimes, there is no other solution that will keep everyone in the situation safe.

I live with such a child, too, and we do a lot of the same things you do to try to keep everyone safe and deescalate. Calling the police really is sometimes the safest available option. People who haven't lived like this often don't understand it. There is a finite number of options available.

 

[Donjeta]

ya know I'd really like to see the statements made that he even had Aspergers??

I, personally am only aware of the one utterance supposedly made by his brother in an extremely high anxiety moment in time where he is being surrounded, handcuffed, and carted off, and learning his mom and many kids are dead at the hands of his brother..

I believe he even made quite clear that he was altogether unsure of what type mental illness or other dx his brother even had(combined with having had zero contact in over 2 yrs with his brother)..IIRC IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE HE BELIEVED HIS BROTHER MAY HAVE A FORM OF AUTISM, MAYBE ASPERGERS, OR SOME TYPE MENTAL ILLNESS..(obviously not a quote, but rather my paraphrasing)

my point is this utterance has now been taken and run with as fact(and not speaking of here but much worse the entire world)... and with zero real or factual basis, correct?

maybe I'm incorrect and I missed where we've had an actual statement of someone with factual knowledge of the brothers dx??..if so, who?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/nancy-lanza-peter-lanza-divorce_n_2316461.html

In working through the terms of their divorce, the couple spent considerable time talking about how to provide for Adam Lanza's well-being, said Paula Levy, a mediator who worked with the couple.

During their meetings, the couple mentioned that Adam Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, an autism-like disorder, Levy said. But the Lanzas were in complete agreement on how to address Adam's needs and said little about the details of his condition, Levy said.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12...other-home-schooled-son-kept-arsenal-of-guns/

CBS News’ Scott Pelley reported on “60 Minutes” Sunday that the gunman’s mother, Nancy Lanza, told friends that her son was brilliant, but disabled. He had been diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism, family friends Mark and Louise Tambascio said.

A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the unfolding investigation, said Lanza had been diagnosed with Asperger's.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ok-school-shooting-asperger-violence/1772589/

Police say a member of Adam’s family – probably his brother – has told them he suffered from Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Connecticut-killing-spree.html#ixzz2FM3EKndW

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thanks for clarifying that for me, belimom.

So it appears that no one at the firing range would likely have considered it unusual for him to go by himself. It also means that at least sometimes he had access to his mother's guns without her supervision. She must have trusted him with them to some extent.

that's not what belimom said IMO..that AL would have been allowed to go freely to the range, with his mothers guns to the range, and fire them alone.. she says that while someone other than the gun owner, who is not of legal age to own the firearm, can go and shoot the gun at the range WHILE SUPERVISED..NOT ALONE..

IMO that is a huge difference in clarifying that HE CAN JUST FREELY CARRY MOMS GUNS TO THE RANGE, ALONE AND UNSUPERVISED, AND FREELY SHOOT AT THE RANGE..

jmo, tho and my own personal experience in being a gun owner, and regularly shooting at the range with my family,.

 

[badhorsie]

Yes, he would have been a target for the bullies, but I think his bizarre behavior scared people whether they wanted to admit it or not. The bizarre behavior of unmedicated people with Schizotypal Personality Disorder and schizophrenia scares me and a lot of other old psych nurses, old psych techs, psych residents and old psychiatrists that I


know.

BBM As another verified mental health professional, I totally agree

 

[italianWSfan]

While reading through the many posts in this thread written by parents of children with all kinds of disorders I have to say:
I am amazed how you all handle it.
It must be very difficult.
I have no words to describe my sympathy and my greatest respect.

Reading this makes me almost hate myself because of moaning with my child over little things, like a spilled glass of juice. :banghead:

(This post sounds awfully wrong, gramatically. Trying hard to find the words in english..)

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Call 9-1-1. If you don't live in an area with nearby emergency health care, you'll have to load the child into your care yourself and take them to such care.

JMO

My personal experience as LE in CA and TX, and Mr DD is a firefighter/rescue in TX: If you call 911, at least with our agencies, it will be LE dispatched for out of control/mentally ill subjects, those having mental "breakdowns" or disassociating from reality. They could become violent and dangerous to themselves, the other present parties, or LE/rescue personnel. LE takes control of the scene or call, and determines when rescue/medical personnel may enter.

Maybe that is not how it's handled in every area, but that is my experience, and Mr. DD's. If a parent calls at wit's end, that their child is out of control and the parent doesn't know what to do, LE responds first. I have been on many calls in my past where we were able to talk the subject down, and de-escalate a situation. But sadly, many times they get worse. We don't need our FF/rescue squads being subjected to that. Most times they were waiting outside the door until we called them in, after determining whether the situation was an angry/defiant subject, a mentally unstable subject, or the situation is caused by drugs/alcohol or some medical condition such as diabetes, etc.

It may seem odd to have LE show up at a scene that a parent may want medical assistance for a "breakdown" type situation, but we also don't want the rescue personnel hurt.

JMO and I hope that makes sense.

 

[Footwarrior]

Dave Cullen, the author of Columbine was on the Rachel Maddow show Friday night. He made an interesting comment that almost all mass shooters fall into one of there groups. In the first group are people so insane that they don't understand what they are doing such as the shooters at Tucson and at Virginia Tech. The second are sadistic psychopaths such as Columbine shooter Eric Harris. The majority are deeply depressed, angry and suicidal.

 

[Quester]

Jack [P], 6

... Jack was a fan of New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz, who paid tribute to the 6-year-old during Sunday's game against the Atlanta Falcons.

Cruz honored Jack Sunday on his cleats, writing on them the words "Jack Pinto, My Hero."

"I also spoke to an older brother and he was distraught as well. I told him to stay strong and I was going to do whatever I can to honor him," Cruz said after the game. "He was fighting tears and could barely speak to me." Cruz said he plans to give the gloves he wore during the game to the boy's family, and spend some time with them.

The family released a statement saying, Jack was an "inspiration to all those who knew him."

"Jack loved school, reading, wrestling, skiing and football. Most of all Jack loved to play with his friends and keep up with his big brother," said his family. "He had a wide smile that would simply light up the room and while we are all uncertain as to how we will ever cope without him, we choose to remember and celebrate his life. Not dwelling on the loss but instead on the gift that we were given and will forever cherish in our hearts forever."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/newtown-connecticut-school-shooting-victims/story?id=17984685#3

 

[gngr~snap]

3:22 P.M. Data on Lanza's Computer Might Not Be Recoverable

"Investigators recovered a computer from Adam Lanza’s house, but it is so badly damaged that they are not optimistic they will be able to get any information from it, a law enforcement official said Monday."

“It looked like he took steps to damage it, he smashed it, it was smashed,” the official said. “It was the computer he was using. It was the hard drive and it was damaged to the point that we took a look at it and couldn’t get anything off it.”


http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/dec-17-updates-on-connecticut-shooting-aftermath/