Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #6

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  • #261
WOW! Listening to Fox news... she WAS planning on having him committed???
If true we will be hearing lots more!

Then again it is Fox...
Lt. Paul Vance on the phone...
no independent knowledge to confirm this story.
This explains the rage to me. He was determined not to be locked away, and everyone would remember him. too too sad. Hated everyone and everything.
I need to do some Christmas things now.
 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...0e8eb0-4890-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_print.html

For Lanza family, son Adam’s difficulties dominated

By Michael S. Rosenwald, Tim Craig and Peter Slevin, Published: December 17

KINGSTON, N.H. — Her nickname was “Beanie.”
She grew up here in her family’s 1740s farmhouse not far from the town’s center, an idyllic New England backdrop of general stores, ice cream shops, and the historic home of Josiah Bartlett, a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
By all accounts, Nancy Jean Champion — or Beanie, as her high school yearbook calls her — had a charmed upbringing. Her mom was a school nurse. Her brother became a town police officer. And after she married her sweetheart in 1981, becoming Mrs. Peter J. Lanza, the couple built a house next door to her childhood home.
“They were very nice people,” said the owner of the local pizza shop here. “They are from a lovely family.”
In 1988, the couple welcomed a baby boy, Ryan. Four years later, another baby boy arrived: Adam. Nancy, who worked in the Boston financial district to put her husband through college, became a stay-at-home mother increasingly focused on the challenges of her youngest.
Last week, Adam shot his mother four times in her bed, authorities said, killing her. Next he gunned down 26 other people, most of them not much older than he was when he bounced around the grassy family homestead as a little boy.
While investigators don’t know or haven't said why Adam Lanza went on a horrific killing spree at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., a clearer portrait of the family that raised him is emerging through interviews around the country with friends and family and in divorce documents sealing the end of the Lanza’s marriage three years ago.
From the outside, the Lanza family portrait was one of wealth and privilege, of jobs landed at marquee corporations — he at General Electric, she briefly at John Hancock. They moved to a hilltop home in Newtown, a village exurb of New York City.
But it was their difficult second son who came to dominate the family’s time and collective psyche, especially Nancy’s. He had few friends, had trouble in schools and had difficulty reaching the steppingstones of normal teenage life. At age 20, he had only recently begun to drive.
As time passed, the family fractured and broke apart. Around the time of the divorce, Ryan Lanza graduated from college and moved to work in New York. Adam stayed with Nancy Lanza, and her life took on strange habits. She didn’t let visitors into their home. She collected powerful weapons. And she began to bring her increasingly troubled son to “multiple shooting ranges,” officials from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Monday, to practice using those guns together.
“She wasn’t afraid to be there for her kids,” Marsha Lanza, who is married to Peter Lanza’s brother Michael, said at her home in Crystal Lake, Ill. “She was involved. That’s why, when I heard that he shot her, that floored me. That just didn’t make sense to me, because your mom did all this stuff for you. What the hell were you thinking? Why did you take your revenge out on her? What did she do?”
Nancy and Peter moved to Newtown in 1998. Peter commuted to New York City to work as a vice president for GE. Nancy had health problems — multiple sclerosis — for which she sought treatment in New York, according to her former sister-in-law.
In 2009, the couple filed for divorce, saying their 28-year marriage had “broken down irretrievably,” according to court records. What led to the breakup is unclear. Peter has remarried, to Shelley Rae Cudiner, a librarian at the University of Connecticut.
Nancy was a stay-at-home mom when they divorced, listing no income in court papers. Peter made $445,000 a year and agreed to pay $240,000 a year in alimony and child support, according to court records. That sum was set to rise in 2012 to $289,800.
Adam had Asperger’s syndrome, the parents told Paula Levy, the family therapist who was their divorce mediator, Levy said in an interview with the Associated Press. The parents were unified in their commitment to meet all of Adam’s needs, Levy said, and gave few details about his condition.
The generous settlement, said John Aldrich, a family law attorney in Connecticut, “could have been, they took into account that with a special-needs child, the mother was going to be more hands-on, require more money for her son. There is no magic percentage.”
The couple agreed to joint custody of Adam and of their partial set of Boston Red Sox season tickets. Nancy got the house and the rights to final decisions about Adam.
“They always stayed civil,” Marsha Lanza said. “They always stayed friends.”
Caring for Adam took time and patience, and educating him presented challenges.
Newtown school officials couldn’t be reached to comment on his schooling, but interviews in recent days with acquaintances and family members, as well as published reports, suggest that Adam bounced from public school, to a private Catholic school, to home schooling, to taking college courses at Western Connecticut State University, according to the Associated Press.
He was not close with his older brother, Ryan, who lives in Hoboken, N.J., and works for Ernst & Young.
“I know they were totally different kids,” Marsha said. “Just totally different kids. Oil and water. I mean, they didn’t obviously click. They tolerated each other because they were brothers.”
Father and son have been in seclusion since the shooting, and through an attorney issued a statement that read, in part, “Our family is grieving along with all those who have been affected by this enormous tragedy. . . . We are in a state of disbelief and trying to find whatever answers we can. We too are asking why.”
The Champion family also issued a statement to “express our heartfelt sorrow for the incomprehensible and profound loss of innocence.”
At some point while he was in high school, Adam joined a technology club, a move Nancy apparently supported.
Gloria Milas, whose son Joshua was in the club, said the teens would sit around and link to each other by computer and play games — called LAN parties, for local area network — with each player on a computer. She said that contrary to published reports, the games were not violent. She likened them to Mario Bros. games.
“They were always laughing,” she said. “When this all came out, I asked my son, I begged him, ‘Were you playing games that were violent?’ He said no.”
Adam did like to shoot guns — real ones, with his mom. It is not clear when Nancy became a gun collector, but she had at least six firearms registered to her, including the semiautomatic assault rifle used in the massacre, and she sometimes showed off an antique rifle to visitors. The mother and son’s “shooting activities” at “multiple ranges” went back several years, ATF officials said, but the last activity was more than six months ago.
If Adam Lanza’s mental health had begun to worsen, Nancy Lanza had not shared it widely. The crowd at My Place, a local restaurant where she often hung out, always was happy to see her show up and have a microbrew at the bar. But those friends didn’t really know her home life.
She did confide that she had recently discovered a school in Washington state that she thought would be good for Adam, said Mark Tambascio, the restaurant’s proprietor.
“They were going to move out there together,” Tambascio, who had known Nancy Lanza for several years, said Sunday night.
Her connections to her New Hampshire home town remained strong.
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[FONT=Verdana,Arial]Nancy had health problems — multiple sclerosis —
This is the first I have seen this .. She had a lot on her plate !!

ATF officials said, but the last activity was more than six months ago.

How do they know this? At least it shows she was not out there every weekend training a sniper ... I am getting tired of the allegations.

She did confide that she had recently discovered a school in Washington state that she thought would be good for Adam, said Mark Tambascio, the restaurant’s proprietor.

“They were going to move out there together,” Tambascio, who had known Nancy Lanza for several years, said Sunday night.


This is also news to me ..The change might of been just too much for Adam to deal with.
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  • #263
I do, and I have thought along that line from the start pretty much.

Nobody from the school came forward to say that she even volunteered there.
 
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This explains the rage to me. He was determined not to be locked away, and everyone would remember him. too too sad. Hated everyone and everything.
I need to do some Christmas things now.

Other sources claims she was looking for a college for him. So which one was it? Locked away or going to college? I am not sure people who are interviewed and provide this insight know much of anything at all.
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/1...d-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/

EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap

The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer’s family and several of the victims’ families.

bbm

If this is true I would bet this was why he killed mom (fear of being committed) but why go to the school and kill kids. Maybe he harbored jealousy because he was not like them..IDK
Whatever his reasons it is just so tragic and sad.
 
  • #267
I don't believe that story at all. She loved school more than she loved him? That makes no sense to me, since she didn't work there. Why would she love this school more than she loved him?

Yeah, hmmm. It does say...

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

"Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed," Flashman said. "I could understand how he might perceive that—that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn’t take care of him by herself anymore."

But wouldn't others from the school have recognized her and come forward sooner?
 
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Yeah, hmmm. It does say...



But wouldn't others from the school have recognized her and come forward sooner?

:waitasec: Maybe those that really knew her were dead?
 
  • #270
:waitasec: Maybe those that really knew her were dead?

But the parents of all the children are alive so they should know if she ever volunteered there.
 
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again in catch up mode so am sorry for this likely landing amidst other discussion.. I now am curious as to why Nancy never allowed anyone in their home?..not even to step in for a brief moment, nor to look inside..in all the years of her playing bunco she never once hosted the game night at her home..every time her turn came around, she passed...for years and years...its a huge beautiful home and she went to the trouble of hiring people to help decorate elaborate outdoor Christmas decorations..so why the extremely careful to allow no one inside, not even a peek from her opening the door to someone knocking..rather she would go all the way around and come out the side door of the home and walk around to greet whomever was at the door knocking for a delivery or such..so as to ensure no one had any glimpses of the inside of the home..??

Maybe she was a hoarder.
Maybe she didn't want anybody to see her son who looked emaciated (just going from that one black and white photo that we have seen).
Maybe she had mental health issues herself.

How come the older son never had friends over?
 
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"Nancy Lanza died of four gunshots to the head from a .22-caliber rifle, Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the chief state medical examiner, said Tuesday. Nancy Lanza was likely asleep she was killed.

The rifle was not among the weapons Adam Lanza took with him to the school on Friday.
http://www.courant.com/news/connect...hook-school-shooting-20121214,0,6861962.story
Yep that is what I thought. She probably did wear the key to a safe.
He killed her to get at the big guns. IMO
 
  • #274
I've given a lot of thought as to him holding his brother's ID. I've come to believe that he really wanted all of this to be "pinned" on his brother and by him carrying that ID knew that LE would search his pockets, see that ID and immediately assume it was his brother. That would cause even more emotional damage. He knew that. Look at how we were all like "HUH?" wait, what's his name? The media ran with it - everything. That was terrible - I couldn't imagine that happening to me. But, yea, I believe that he wanted everyone to think it was his brother although he knew it would eventually come out.



JMHO

I agree--I think this is going to end up to be less about mental health and more about evil left unchecked.
 
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"Nancy Lanza died of four gunshots to the head from a .22-caliber rifle, Dr. H. Wayne Carver, the chief state medical examiner, said Tuesday. Nancy Lanza was likely asleep she was killed.

The rifle was not among the weapons Adam Lanza took with him to the school on Friday.
http://www.courant.com/news/connect...hook-school-shooting-20121214,0,6861962.story
Yep that is what I thought. She probably did wear the key to a safe.
He killed her to get at the big guns. IMO

And rifle is not a big gun? Seriously? Bushmaster .22 is what he used in school. Why is .22 rifle not a big gun, but Bushmaster .22 rifle is?
 
  • #276
OK here's where I am at now. I think he planned this for a long time and he's been fantasising about committing an act like this for years - I think these dark fantasies were fuelled and able to fester because he had isolated himself in his basement for so long with no friends, little human contact, and only outlet was violent video games and guns. The fact that he had made little contact with people in his life meant that people meant very little to him anyway.

He also had a mental disturbance .. paranoid? schizophrenia? schizoid? schizotypal? Something more than aspergers that's for sure. This just fuelled the fire, I don't believe the mental issues were the cause, I believe the cause was him deciding to do it (possibly years ago) and planning and training for it. But it was part of the perfect storm.

I believe he chose children because he would be able to kill more people if they were too young to fight back and because it would upset society the most. He wanted to have maximum impact. He destroyed his hard drive for privacy reasons.

For all the discussion in the media about not mentioning his name etc, they are slipping into making the story all about AL which is no doubt inspiring some other kid just like him out there to top his high score on the video game 'mass shooter USA'.
 
  • #277
Stumbled upon this just surfing the Internet. Now a few websites that I saw this on are some "conspiracy theory" type sites, so I decided to search for just the actual map that I guess you could order before the movie came out? Anyways, what I'm talking about is a special map of the attack zones of Bane in the movie The Dark Knight Rises that I guess you could order and I think it came with a t-shirt too. I haven't done much reading or research on this, so if it needs to be deleted I'll understand. I just thought it was very eerie in light of the recent tragedy. Let me know if you guys saw what I saw and what you think of this "coincidence". Again, I understand if this needs to be deleted at any time. Here's one link:

http://www.ugo.com/movies/the-dark-knight-rises-viral-package

Day-um!!..SANDY HOOK.. right there..odd coincidence?..maybe..maybe not..
 
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I am not sure what you mean. Cooking can be done by everyone and engineering is a skill anyone can pick up but it is one of 2 you have .

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Hahahah I can't cook:)

MO it's just odd that a 20yr male would play a game with "cooking AND engineering" as profession you aquire, and in real life he was reported to be interested in cooking and going to engineering school.

Life imating art? So to speak?

Just a thought that these are two things among millions of combinations he could be interested in I just saw a link between a game he played and reported real life interests.
 
  • #280
IIRC the bushmaster is a .223
 
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