Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #6

[Karmady]

OK you are correct Roigs room was locked, thinking back on it she said in her interview she wouldn't let the police officer in- made him slide his badge under the door but she didn't think it looked real so she told him if he really was LE he would have a key...which he did.

But she didn't know why the shooter passed them by so was her door already locked and she simply closed it?
Since she did talk about the officer having the key on national TV I don't think anyone is hiding anything.

I listened to her interview just last night and she said that they were all in the bathroom iand the door of the bathroom was locked. That was the door the police officer put his badge under and had the key for.

[video=youtube;q-pwJrFoElI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-pwJrFoElI[/video]

 

[Linda7NJ]

PTTSD at its best! Been there, not fun! (not school killing related)

I hope they offer those children EMDR therapy and quickly!


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[not_my_kids]

I don't believe anybody is telling teachers to charge the perp. And keeping guns in classrooms could lead to disaster. They are so many cases of children finding guns and killing themselves.

Not to mention, I don't believe that EVERY teacher is stable enough to have a gun in the first place. It's not like those with an education degree don't lose their minds every now and then too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Not to mention, I don't believe that EVERY teacher is stable enough to have a gun in the first place. It's not like those with an education degree don't lose their minds every now and then too.

Arming teachers is IMO the worst possible idea ever!


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[jjenny]

The 6 made it because the 5 didn't. Shooter was distracted with the 5 long enough for the 6 to escape..

It might be the other way around. The children described seeing their teacher killed, but not seeing other children killed. Maybe six managed to run away quickly, whereas five remaining didn't.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I guess it might give someone a feeling of security, but someone with a semi automatic "bushmaster" will have killed the person reaching for the wasp spray.

imo

Yep - completely and totally agree. There wasn't much those teachers that he burst in on could have done - including my wasp spray. And that's the scary part of this whole thing. No matter what - even if there had been a school officer on grounds - would he have been in an area close enough? If one of the teachers had been carrying - her gun certainly wouldn't have been out - and the time it would take to try to get to it would have been futile. He knew this. Sick coward...............



JMHO

 

[Xavier]

Havent had time to read the whole thread yet, but when my sons were young, the "goth type kids" I knew of never appeared to be violent types but that is just my experience.

I truly feel for AL's mom but why the guns?? I have a nephew, fairly high functioning adult with a form of autisism, thank God he is not exposed to guns. I hate guns but am not oppossed to normal people having them to hunt or a small pistol to protect themselves (tho I still wouldnt) but an assualt type gun and the others...I will never get it.... Nor do I think most would who are familiar/exposed to one's with this type of dx.

Something that has crossed my mind is, was she "trying" to "make him normal" in her mind, driving recently, checking colleges? While as a parent, I can empathize with a parent of a child with issues, I feel trying to force or make them act/do normal things is harmful to their physic Anyway, none of this may make sense to others.

I kind of feel his "triggers" may have been her discussing schools, trying to make his life "normal" like others, would think that would have been upseting to him as it was not was he was used to... he appeared to live in isolation. College would bring back tramua of reliving prior forced socialization that appreared to be uncomfortable to him by all written accounts. And an engineer, really, what could she have been thinking, not saying he didnt have the smarts but....

Anyway, just a rambling of my thoughts...and moo

My point about GOTH type of kids was not referring to any violent tendencies

AL's friends said he was a GOTH type of student because of the anti social or socially awkward behavior, the isolation, sensitive, and inclined to interests in violent, dark ultra violent video games, interests in the dark side of life in general...

In no way is GOTH being referred to as "VIOLENT"

 

[Reannan]

There aren't many teachers that are strict about locking their doors. Sorry, there just aren't - especially if they are on an indoor hallway with exit doors at either end of the hallway.

This was the beginning of the day. I keep my door locked - but have a "door wedge" that I use in the beginning to prop the door open so the kids can "trickle in". Once the bell rings, I kick out the wedge, the door shuts and its already locked from the outside.

So, maybe being that it was the beginning of the day and especially with the little ones - the regular teachers hadn't walked to the doors and locked them. I had heard that the intercom system being on was because it started right at the end of morning announcements........maybe that was the signal to now lock your doors. Being on inside hallways gives a false sense of security so there wasn't an urgency to lock that door.




JMHO

For what it is worth, my daugher (7th grade) went to school on Monday, and the new policy was explained to them in every class that the doors would now be locked. Personally, I am not a fan of that. What happens if there is a fire? I live in a community that is probably the Southern version of Newtown, Connecticut - only much more rural. We have a charming "market" that consist of local farmers driving their trucks with fresh milk, eggs, cheese, vegetables, etc. into our volunteer fire station on Wednesday evenings!! The idea that in a world like Newtown, CT, or my little corner of the world, we have to raise our children as if they are in prison is disturbing to me!! What does that do to their psyche? I would rather put a fence around the entire school grounds, and post a guard at the entrance... having my child move from one locked room to another all day does not sit well with me. And... I am not sure it would help in a situation where someone has weapons to just shoot through the door and open it anyways... or use an ax to open it, like in the movie The Shinning. Nightmares exist in this world.... I just don't understand why they have become so much more common and are affecting our children. Ugghh...

 

[LaborDayRN]

I think all the schools right now should get a tape of police sirens and blast it throughout the school so the suspect thinks the police have arrived.

I think they should get the glass windows where you can see out and the person outside cannot see in.

I know many of the banks I go in have bullet proof glass (I don't think it's actually glass.....VERY thick!). I wonder why our most precious ones don't have the same protection? It seems classrooms could be fortified a little better.

 

[jjenny]

For what it is worth, my daugher (7th grade) went to school on Monday, and the new policy was explained to them in every class that the doors would now be locked. Personally, I am not a fan of that. What happens if there is a fire? I live in a community that is probably the Southern version of Newtown, Connecticut - only much more rural. We have a charming "market" that consist of local farmers driving their trucks with fresh milk, eggs, cheese, vegetables, etc. into our volunteer fire station on Wednesday evenings!! The idea that in a world like Newtown, CT, or my little corner of the world, we have to raise our children as if they are in prison is disturbing to me!! What does that do to their psyche? I would rather put a fence around the entire school grounds, and post a guard at the entrance... having my child move from one locked room to another all day does not sit well with me. And... I am not sure it would help in a situation where someone has weapons to just shoot through the door and open it anyways... or use an ax to open it, like in the movie The Shinning. Nightmares exist in this world.... I just don't understand why they have become so much more common and are affecting our children. Ugghh...

I think you have to make sure that what school is doing is not against fire code. Otherwise they just turned the school into a fire trap.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I know many of the banks I go in have bullet proof glass (I don't think it's actually glass.....VERY thick!). I wonder why our most precious ones don't have the same protection? It seems classrooms could be fortified a little better.

I do.............



$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - that's all I'll say.






JMHO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I know many of the banks I go in have bullet proof glass (I don't think it's actually glass.....VERY thick!). I wonder why our most precious ones don't have the same protection? It seems classrooms could be fortified a little better.

I think we should keep them all home, give them an ipad and they can attend school in virtual classrooms!




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[Reannan]

I think you have to make sure that what school is doing is not against fire code. Otherwise they just turned the school into a fire trap.

Exactly!!! I am on it... I miss the days where you had to worry about your kids grades and stuff..

 

[mck16]

That would be a type of foyer that is secured and no entry to the main building can be had unless staff let a person in. Cameras/monitoring equipment would give staff in office a look at the person before meeting them.

Schools could have rules that bar unscheduled visits. For security, parents could be required to call the office to set a time and could be required to give a password such as last four digits of son. They could also use cards with magnetic strips that would have to be used to open doors into the building and office. They are used in many hospitals I have worked at.

Kind of like in a prison where there is a secured room where you are actually locked in until the other secured door is open before you pass into another area? I can see that would work. jmo

 

[LaneGirl]

Yep - completely and totally agree. There wasn't much those teachers that he burst in on could have done - including my wasp spray. And that's the scary part of this whole thing. No matter what - even if there had been a school officer on grounds - would he have been in an area close enough? If one of the teachers had been carrying - her gun certainly wouldn't have been out - and the time it would take to try to get to it would have been futile. He knew this. Sick coward...............



JMHO

I'm thinking as was discussed eairler, this is why we need the auto lock doors with multiple "buttons" so close/lock all doors to the whole school at once with an alarm that alerts police.

 

[helpful]

Yes thank you it was answered. I just found it funny reports AL played WOW with "cooking AND enginering" as professions and reports in real life he was interesting in "cooking AND enginering". I wondered aloud if it was "life imating art". But I was schooled so to speak. But thank you for your response.

Cooking and engineering are both pretty "profitable" and interesting professions in the universe of WoW. Part of the fun of the game is collecting the basic "ingredients" and making cooler stuff from them.

(outing myself as a former WoW player here, ha)

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think you have to make sure that what school is doing is not against fire code. Otherwise they just turned the school into a fire trap.

Back when I was on high school they actually chained the doors shut with padlocks so we couldn't leave! How scary is that? Didn't last long.... Someone called the fire marshal and reported it.


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[Pensfan]

Sanpaku - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales told the Daily Beast that Jared Loughner has as a “paranoid headlights” stare. But is there a medical or psychiatric term for that disturbing million-mile stare we’ve seen in the eyes of accused killers like Loughner and Charles Manson?
Yes and no, says Dr. Alan Hirsch, a Chicago-based neurologist and psychiatrist.
"There is something called reverse ptosis, which is when the eyelids are up higher than normal,” says Hirsch. “You can see the whites of the eyes both above and below the iris. It’s been associated with diseases like hyperthyroidism and with psychiatric diseases such as paranoid or acute psychosis.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4104659...nd-loughners-million-mile-stare/#.UNFNvqV8vzI

This killer's photo is also creepy because it is the look of a fixed gaze along with a flat affect (no facial muscles are showing any signs of a smile or frown).

My avatar is psychotic. lol

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I'm thinking as was discussed eairler, this is why we need the auto lock doors with multiple "buttons" so close/lock all doors to the whole school at once with an alarm that alerts police.

That would help but only if the doors remained that you could get out. IOW - if the button is pushed - then all the doors lock from the outside - but people in the room can still turn the handle and get out. I know - I wouldn't want someone in the office controlling whether or not me and the kids were completely locked in. KWIM?

 

[Linda7NJ]

U.S. Marshal for Arizona David Gonzales told the Daily Beast that Jared Loughner has as a “paranoid headlights” stare. But is there a medical or psychiatric term for that disturbing million-mile stare we’ve seen in the eyes of accused killers like Loughner and Charles Manson?
Yes and no, says Dr. Alan Hirsch, a Chicago-based neurologist and psychiatrist.
"There is something called reverse ptosis, which is when the eyelids are up higher than normal,” says Hirsch. “You can see the whites of the eyes both above and below the iris. It’s been associated with diseases like hyperthyroidism and with psychiatric diseases such as paranoid or acute psychosis.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4104659...nd-loughners-million-mile-stare/#.UNFNvqV8vzI

I've always heard it meant nothing...but everyone I know with it is ummmm a tad off


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