Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #7

[katydid23]

I noted that my granddaughter's elementary school is taking extra precautions. Classrooms that have windows to the outside (that is what I could see being in carpool) have 9 windows. Normally there are no blinds/curtains and I can see into the rooms while in the carpool line. I noticed this am and pm that all blinds were down and closed. I asked my granddaughter about it and she said that was new and didn't know why (2nd grade) she also mentioned that no one at school had outdoor recess this week and that they stayed indoors and watched movies. Today when I picked her up monitors were handing out flyers about how to obtain help for persons/children with possible social/mental problems. I thought that was interesting.

My friend's kids school had their windows covered this week too. School is out but they had 'winter camp' there for daycare for working parents. She felt kind of the same way I did though---ARE WE GIVING COVER TO PEDOPHILES NOW?

I have always liked the open, visible windows in classrooms.

 

[helpful]

Why does everyone expect some diagnosis to explain why he did it?

Because if he was just a perfectly normal guy with no meaningful diagnosis who just snapped and massacred more than two dozen people, it means that you or your child or your neighbor or your dog groomer could do the same thing with no warning.

It's human to want to have the reassurance of a simple explanation, to want something to point to so we can say, "Oh. That's why he did it. He's nothing like me." It's a way of distancing ourselves from the murderer by making him seem less fundamentally human than the rest of us.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

FOUND IT!

It was a "friend" from the My Place restaurant and it says that the friend didn't want to be named:

Here:

The friend said they knew Adam was prone to hurting himself.

'She just looked down at the glass and said, 'I don't know. I'm worried I'm losing him,' the friend told the Daily News.

'She said it was getting worse. She was having trouble reaching him.'
It wasn't the first time Nancy told him something was wrong with her son.

'Nancy told me he was burning himself with a lighter. In the ankles or arms or something,' he recalled of a conversation they had roughly one year ago. 'It was like he was trying to feel something


link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-told-friend-fears-week-Newtown-shooting.html


Take it for what its worth. I just knew that I had read somewhere he had been self-mutilating.



JMHO

 

[Abby Normal Again]

Just because someone with Aspergers(if that is what he had) goes on a shooting rampage, doesn't mean anyone else with it will. Everyone is different. How will this dx help prevent future tragedies?

the diagnosis will not explain WHY and the diagnosis will not prevent future tragedies. Evil lurks everywhere and comes in every shape and form.

AL seemed to have alot of strikes against him.
1. He had some kind of mental illness
2. He had a mother that introduced him to guns
3. He had a mother that was pushing him to enter the real world (something Im sure was a HUGE fear for him
4. He had several failures in the last couple of years.... his german college course, his dad remarrying, etc
5. He wanted to join the military, his mother didn't think it was right for him.
6. The possibility of his mom putting him in a facility????
7. Im sure he heard over and over again how successful his brother was doing, did he compare himself to him....jealousy?
8. Depression?
9. Mom leaves to go on vacations, leaves him alone

Could all of these combined, make him snap and go on a shooting rampage? I think so. If they diagnos him with autism, aspergers, schizophrenia or a chemical imbalance or whatever, I do not see how it will help us to prevent another tragedy. JMO MOO

Knowing the warning signs of anorexia, helps teens struggling with it before it gets out of hand. Even if you can't save all anorexics.

Knowing the warning signs of cancer, helps women when faced with it before it is as deadly, though it's still a statistical toss up.

Knowing that hypothyroidism can lead to diastolic heart failure, helps accurately diagnose a non-tradition heart patient properly. Even if not every diastolic heart patient will have hypothyroidism.

Knowing how and why the brain works leading up to mass murder, helps patients and potential victims. Even if it's not a tell-all from day one.

JMO.

(PS- I'm a neuroscience major- I plan to study brains for a living )

 

[Pensfan]

FOUND IT!

It was a "friend" from the My Place restaurant and it says that the friend didn't want to be named:

Here:

The friend said they knew Adam was prone to hurting himself.

'She just looked down at the glass and said, 'I don't know. I'm worried I'm losing him,' the friend told the Daily News.

'She said it was getting worse. She was having trouble reaching him.'
It wasn't the first time Nancy told him something was wrong with her son.

'Nancy told me he was burning himself with a lighter. In the ankles or arms or something,' he recalled of a conversation they had roughly one year ago. 'It was like he was trying to feel something


link:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-told-friend-fears-week-Newtown-shooting.html


Take it for what its worth. I just knew that I had read somewhere he had been self-mutilating.



JMHO

Self-mutilation is an attempt to keep suicidal feelings and emotional pain at bay by relieving psychological tension. Ten percent of self-mutilators will eventually commit suicide. Approximately 55%–85% of self-mutilators have made at least one suicide attempt. It's too bad Nancy and those who knew Axxx was self-mutilating didn't know this fact or immediately take him to get inpatient psychiatric help. Axxx likely had very good health insurance. I'd bet big $$$ that a local psych hospital would have quickly found him a bed.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Ok, more thinking out loud here. I didn't realize until I had to go look that article up that the self-mutilating was over a year go.

I have figure that AL had been spiraling for at least the past 2 - 3 years. The burning with the lighter was a year go.

Now we come to find out NL had been traveling somewhat frequently at least this past year (2012).

It boggles my mind that she would leave him alone knowing he was doing that to himself - with a lighter much less. I would have been scared to death that he would burn the house down.

Going back to one of my old sayings....................

It ain't fittin', it ain't fittin', it ain't fittin'..........................

It just ain't fittin'!!!!



JMHO

 

[Pensfan]

Ok, more thinking out loud here. I didn't realize until I had to go look that article up that the self-mutilating was over a year go.

I have figure that AL had been spiraling for at least the past 2 - 3 years. The burning with the lighter was a year go.

Now we come to find out NL had been traveling somewhat frequently at least this past year (2012).

It boggles my mind that she would leave him alone knowing he was doing that to himself - with a lighter much less. I would have been scared to death that he would burn the house down.

Going back to one of my old sayings....................

It ain't fittin', it ain't fittin', it ain't fittin'..........................

It just ain't fittin'!!!!



JMHO

Yeah, he also stopped seeing his regular barber 3 years earlier. Not that people don't change barbers, but it fits the pattern of something odd happening 3 years earlier.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-shooting-adam-lanza-barber/?hpt=hp_t2

 

[gngr~snap]

Wonder what he really looked like the week before...
and who saw him in public last.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

First I want to preface this with:

IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO BASH NL - not at all. What we do here is discuss the facts, speculate on the things we don't know and try to figure out what causes these heinous criminals to commit such awful awful acts.


Just realizing that the self-multilation was over a year ago and now hearing how NL traveled somewhat frequently this past year and the reports of how NL had told people "she was loosing him".......

I'm wondering if she was so scared or felt so hopeless with AL's situation that she took those trips (at least some of them) at times when he was particularly "bad" and that maybe her leaving would cause him to take drastic action - meaning "fatal" action (take his own life).

I know I know I know I know how harsh that sounds and I don't mean for it to be at all. This poor woman had to have been on her last nerve. No close friends, ex isn't around, AL growing increasingly worse..................... Do I mean that she left purposefully for him to do that? NO NO NO - but more like was there maybe just a niggle in the back of her mind that that just might happen?


Again, I'm not bashing NL at all - just trying to met out what triggered AL.

JMHO

 

[Pensfan]

Wonder what he really looked like the week before...
and who saw him in public last.

You can guess this.
-He looked thinner (from not having his mom around for the past 2-3 days to prompt him to eat).
-He looked exhausted (from not having his mom around to tell him to shut off the X-box and go to sleep).
-He was more unkempt (from not having his mom around to tell him to shower and change clothes).

 

[gngr~snap]

You can guess this.
-He looked thinner (from not having his mom around for the past 2-3 days to prompt him to eat).
-He looked exhausted (from not having his mom around to tell him to shut off the X-box and go to sleep).
-He was more unkempt (from not having his mom around to tell him to shower and change clothes).

right... and hair cuts? he was a skin head or his hair was 3 ft long!???
He wouldn't let anyone touch him...

 

[Pensfan]

First I want to preface this with:

IN NO WAY AM I TRYING TO BASH NL - not at all. What we do here is discuss the facts, speculate on the things we don't know and try to figure out what causes these heinous criminals to commit such awful awful acts.


Just realizing that the self-multilation was over a year ago and now hearing how NL traveled somewhat frequently this past year and the reports of how NL had told people "she was loosing him".......

I'm wondering if she was so scared or felt so hopeless with AL's situation that she took those trips (at least some of them) at times when he was particularly "bad" and that maybe her leaving would cause him to take drastic action - meaning "fatal" action (take his own life).

I know I know I know I know how harsh that sounds and I don't mean for it to be at all. This poor woman had to have been on her last nerve. No close friends, ex isn't around, AL growing increasingly worse..................... Do I mean that she left purposefully for him to do that? NO NO NO - but more like was there maybe just a niggle in the back of her mind that that just might happen?


Again, I'm not bashing NL at all - just trying to met out what triggered AL.

JMHO

Maybe there wasn't a trigger. Maybe he just mentally deteriorated to that horrid point where he had no impulse control and wretched judgement.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

On CNN just now (was a repeat from earlier tonight)

LE is back at the house again. Just showed the house - lights are on upstairs in one room and lights on all over on the first floor. Reported that the mobile crime lab has been brought back/in. Also, they took out a rather large box earlier today and took it into the crime lab.

Interesting..........................

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Lt Vance is on the phone - just said that they know that there at least was the capacity to be able to lock those guns up. Whether or not they were locked up that day - didn't answer.

But that's another question we've had - we at least know the capacity to lock them up was there.....................



JMHO

 

[katydid23]

My stepdad had a locked cabinet for his alcohol, after my big brother filled the smirnoff bottle with half water one time. :angel:

Anyhow, we soon figured out where he kept the key. I think Adam could have found his mom's key to the gun cabinet as well. She probably took them with her when she left, which is why he had to wait until she returned to pull this off. JMO

eta: In other words he did not ambush her with a gun when she returned. He waited until she was in bed.

 

[helpful]

This video is so sad it makes me want to throw up. Please make sure that the people you love KNOW without a doubt that you love them.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I have a hard time believing that Adam was never violent before December 14th, 2012. I know that there are no official reports of him being violent towards his mother, but I believe he may have been. Maybe not punching her directly in the face or kicking her while she is down, but I believe he may have pushed and shoved her around. I think she may have been a battered woman at the hands of her son. I believe he really knew how to manipulate her. She loved him, obviously. He was her son. She carried him for 9 months. Gave birth to him. Loved him and protected him, maybe to a fault. We keep talking about how highly intelligent he was (according to reports) so it is not out of the realm of possibility that he was intelligent enough to continuously manipulate by making his mother feel guilty for his actions/issues.

MOO

ETA: I absolutely do not believe he had Aspergers. I believe he was either self-diagnosed by family or completely mis-diagnosed by doctors.

 

[Sillybilly]

Was saddened and angry to hear Noah's uncle saying that scam sites are popping up for donations. When Anderson Cooper interviewed him, he gave Noah's site as http://noahsarkofhopefund.eventbrite.com/ (although only the FB page is listed in the CNN info at the link below).

This may have been posted earlier and I've missed it, but it won't hurt to post it again ... CNN has published a list of donation, condolence and support sites "as detailed in their obituaries":

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/17/us/iyw-sandy-hook-victims-memorial/index.html

 

[atthelake]

And I'm convinced in those two days before the murders Adam spent his time going through her computer and found all the correspondence between herself and friends, research into possible placements for him, emails to lawyers, emails to her ex-husband, emails to her family, PM's in facebook, her membership and posts in forums or online support groups, and research into psychiatric conditions, she had done.

Family death on my end, so not up to the minute, but what the heck is all this referring to! I have not been aware of what is stated and is this just opinion or have I missed a lot??

 

[Trident]

Thanks. This article makes a lot of sense. I think all the theories we have come up with give us a clue as to why he killed his mother, but I can't find any feasible explanation as to why he killed 20 small children and their teachers and leaders. What could possibly have motivated him to do this horrible thing at the school. jmo

This is my opinion, and mine only. I believe the children and staff were killed because once he had killed his mother, for whatever reason, it didn't matter any more. He was in a rage, knew he had crossed the line. At that point it really makes no difference what other atrocities one commits - perhaps the more the better. I believe he would have kept on going if the first responders had not shown up because nothing made any difference to him any more, he knew he was a goner, wanted it that way, would have gladly kept on killing. I think he was totally in the throes of rage and mania, and would have kept on going until his mania/rage ran out, got tired, or ran out of bullets.

Why he picked THAT particular school, I don't know, but I believe we will discover there was some association, however convoluted.

My opinion only