Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #7

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OT: in my nursing school days, the hospital we trained at kept babies/toddlers in beds built like cages. The parents were rarely present and these little stinkers could climb out of a bed in nothing flat!

I had a home health patient that I was supposed to follow to make home visit. The domestic abuser male padlocked the mom and her disabled child in the trailer when he went to work and the bar every day. Padlocked! They couldn't escape even if the trailer caught on fire!
 
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It sounds to me that she couldn't get him out of that basement. So I sure as **** don't think she locked him in there when she was out.
Ya ... what for! (to lock him in there) ... He'd stay put down there in the basement anyhow... :D
 
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I had a home health patient that I was supposed to follow to make home visit. The domestic abuser male padlocked the mom and her disabled child in the trailer when he went to work and the bar every day. Padlocked! They couldn't escape even if the trailer caught on fire!

Amazing what we see in home health that others couldn't begin to imagine!
 
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There is a whole lot more to this story and when it come out it's gonna be big!
 
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No hired sitters/nurses' aids have stepped forward saying they watched him while his mom was gone for days.

A former director of security at the school said the killer was one in very much in need of watching. He could hurt himself. If there wasn't anyone hired to watch him, how did Nancy know he wasn't burning down her home while she was gone?

I don't think it's a far-fetched idea to imagine that the door(s) between the basement & the main floor of the house were locked while she took her mini vacays. We've all read the media reports about NL preparing his meals before she left because she didn't want him cooking. Obviously, she didn't trust him to be safe in the kitchen. What better way to make sure he stayed away from the kitchen than to lock the door? Of course, it's pure speculation - but it makes sense, if she wanted to give herself peace of mind that he was safe in his basement while she was away. MOO
 
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“Family dynamics, the onset of psychosis, and severe pathology that is yet unknown may (have) set these violent impulses in motion,” Cohen said.

This quote is out of context. The article is all about what an ex FBI profiler believes and what he believes had nothing to do with mental illness. Cohen's quote was later on in the article and peripheral to what the main point of the article is. Which is that this was about rage and revenge, not incapacitating mental illness.

Sort of like the domestic abusers I have to deal with in my practice, some of whom are dangerous enough to commit murder or murder-suicide. Yeah, I suppose there is some diagnosis that can be slapped on them but psychosis is rarely it.

I am surprised how many want to portray this calculating, methodical murderer as so incapacitated by psychosis he could never leave the home and even was locked in the basement of his home like some hideous monster, by his mother. Come on.

He knew exactly what he was doing and why- to cause pain, likely because he felt entitled yet did not fit in nor was given the accolades or attention he felt he deserved.



The stories of Bobby and Jake are precisely how I envision involuntary violence as a result of a psychotic break. Sudden, uncontrolled fury or dangerous, paranoid threats or attacks. Those scenarios have absolutely zero to do, IMO, with someone who meticulously and secretly plans a mass murder, for weeks or months.

RE: The nature of details released will likely set the tone for future conversations on how to prevent a similar mass shooting.

“I think that right now, the biggest piece of the puzzle is in the understanding, in the motive, and I think as they work the case and come to an understanding, we’ll see what caused this,” DeCarlo said.
Lee said investigators are going to look for “any writing, any notes, any so-called ‘unwritten’ notes such as the type of emotional mood change that often could be overlooked.”

“That’s what we call unwritten language,” he said. “Sometimes they do not write a note, but they provide a sign.”

What Lanza did “is not a spur-of-the-moment decision” in which he simply “snapped,” Lee said.

“He had to do some planning,” he said.

The fact that he killed his mother, Nancy Lanza — shooting her as she lay in bed — before heading to the school “is a message,” Lee said. “Basically, you kill your parents, it either comes out of love or out of hatred,” he said.
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"Love, hatred, or as a means to an end".. AL, needed access to the weapons & ammunition, to carry out his well layed evil plan, imo..

"My question would be, "when and what are we going to learn, not only from the Sandy Hook tragedy, but also from the many mass shootings over the past 50+ years"? Charles Whitman, also murdered his mother, as well as his wife, before the mass murder in 1966; The TX Clock Tower Shooting, Columbine, and the many others have provided more than enough info for studies. When are we going to establish a plan to prevent future shootings? Without public safety for our families, we have nothing...


Charles Whitman 1/5
Charles Whitman 1/5 - YouTube

It is a fact that we have had this dialogue since the monster in the bell tower cut down all those innocent lives. Yet all our panicked attempts to discover "why" has not led us any closer to preventing something like this.

The one thing, however, that logic tells us may prevent at least some of these massacres- refusing to glorify the murderer by naming him, plastering his photos everywhere, reciting his life story and calling him the macho sounding "gunman" or "killer" - we steadfastly refuse to do, as a society. I just don't get that.

I really don't see how someone could know he was a homicidal maniac until he went on a shooting spree. All the people describe him as quiet and withdrawn.

Right. And a person can't be hospitalized or arrested for being quiet or withdrawn. There are thOusands of harmless people like that in the world.
 
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Amazing what we see in home health that others couldn't begin to imagine!
My partner and I called our professor from a gas station (cell phones were decades from being invented). She called the police. A huge policeman showed up with an ax and chopped through the door with a smile on his face. He loaded mom and child (with unrepaired Tetralogy of Fallot of all horrid conditions) into his police car and took them to the station. I got a new home health care patient from the locked psych unit that told me she had several birds. Upon visiting her apartment I realized she kept the windows open and she was feeding lots of wild birds that were pooping all over the blood stained mattress she slept on located on the floor. Yeah....that was nursing school in the slums of Oklahoma City.
 
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Morgan Ingram's parents fits this scenario too, IMO.

Maybe. But Morgan Ingram didn't walk into a school and shoot children. However, Laurie Dann did...

Shot and killed a boy and wounded two girls and three boys in a Winnetka, Illinois elementary school, then took a family hostage and shot a man before killing herself
 
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I don't think it's a far-fetched idea to imagine that the door(s) between the basement & the main floor of the house were locked while she took her mini vacays. We've all read the media reports about NL preparing his meals before she left because she didn't want him cooking. Obviously, she didn't trust him to be safe in the kitchen. What better way to make sure he stayed away from the kitchen than to lock the door? Of course, it's pure speculation - but it makes sense, if she wanted to give herself peace of mind that he was safe in his basement while she was away. MOO

How is he safe in a basement when a fire breaks out or he has suicidal psychosis? Do you guys honestly believe this lady would have locked a deeply disturbed son in a basement while she traveled?
 
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I'm askeeered that the mobile crime unit found bloody claw marks where he tried to get out of the locked basement.

Wonder if he wrote on the walls? Wish we could see what the inside of the home looked like, considering it was reported that NL didn't let anyone inside.
 
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In graduate school, C is a failing grade. In undergraduate, C is passing grade. AL was obviously not in graduate school.

Thanks for the explanation.

Someone mentioned earlier in this thread about grading scales in graduate programs being less inflated. That's what I was replying to.
 
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How is he safe in a basement when a fire breaks out or he has suicidal psychosis? Do you guys honestly believe this lady would have locked a deeply disturbed son in a basement while she traveled?
I saw a dad lock his wife and very ill child (who had transposition of the great vessels of the heart) in a filthy firetrap trailer with a padlock. Nothing shocks me.

Many parents of disabled children lock them in their room for safety reason (especially at night). This is illegal UNLESS you have sought review and permission from a family court judge.
 
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How is he safe in a basement when a fire breaks out or he has suicidal psychosis? Do you guys honestly believe this lady would have locked a deeply disturbed son in a basement while she traveled?

As I stated: it's pure speculation, based on what little is known.

If he had a "suicidal psychosis" while she was out of town, what difference would it have made whether or not the doors were locked? He would have been all by himself. As far as a fire breaking out - I've never seen a basement without an exterior door - it would be in violation of fire code.
 
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No hired sitters/nurses' aids have stepped forward saying they watched him while his mom was gone for days.

A former director of security at the school said the killer was one in very much in need of watching. He could hurt himself. If there wasn't anyone hired to watch him, how did Nancy know he wasn't burning down her home while she was gone?

When he was 8, not 20. But either way, you don't leAve a person who needs watching locked up unattended for days or weeks if you think they need watching. That's almost the opposite of watching them.
 
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OT: in my nursing school days, the hospital we trained at kept babies/toddlers in beds built like cages. The parents were rarely present and these little stinkers could climb out of a bed in nothing flat!

One of my earliest memories is of being in the hospital in a bed like that. I think I was 3yr or 4yr.
 
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As I stated: it's pure speculation, based on what little is known.

If he had a "suicidal psychosis" while she was out of town, what difference would it have made whether or not the doors were locked? He would have been all by himself. As far as a fire breaking out - I've never seen a basement without an exterior door - it would be in violation of fire code.

I agree. That house was built in the 90's. That would never fly.
 
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