Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #7

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

This is spooking me that the crime lab is still in the house and the mobile crime lab was just brought back in. Those of us that read this forum all the time can envision lots of creepy things such as the crime lab just discovered evidence of Dad's and big brother's old blood all over walls in the home or several rooms were transformed into prison cells to hold Axxx. I wish LE would start sharing info because my mind is running wild!

My mind is running wild also. Almost a week later and they are still bringing in more help. At least noone can say they weren't thorough.:seeya:

 

[Donjeta]

Here is my take one this. People like this murderer who are so scared of even accidental human touch that they grip the walls to avoid it- they aren't batterers. They may think all the same things, and have all the same capacity of abusers but physically beating, pushing, hurting someone is repulsive because of the personal closeness and contact. I believe guns were an intermediary that removed the physical "intimacy" of violence.

So I really do think he was non-violent until this happened. Maybe not intellectually non-violent, but physically non-violent. Non-violent only in application.

I don't have any more information than you, though, so it's just a belief based on known patters.

Early on someone said that he was subject to "outbursts", in his childhood. I wonder what that entailed. (I think it was Mr. Novia but I'm not 100 % sure.) I could see a person like you describe freaking and lashing out violently if someone forces a physical contact that they find unpleasant. But after he left school and got so isolated his mother probably treaded on eggshells around him and knew to avoid things that could have set him off and he rarely met any other people with whom it could have been an issue.

He might have had a very violent fantasy life.

 

[Hickory Born]

This is my opinion, and mine only. I believe the children and staff were killed because once he had killed his mother, for whatever reason, it didn't matter any more. He was in a rage, knew he had crossed the line. At that point it really makes no difference what other atrocities one commits - perhaps the more the better. I believe he would have kept on going if the first responders had not shown up because nothing made any difference to him any more, he knew he was a goner, wanted it that way, would have gladly kept on killing. I think he was totally in the throes of rage and mania, and would have kept on going until his mania/rage ran out, got tired, or ran out of bullets.

Why he picked THAT particular school, I don't know, but I believe we will discover there was some association, however convoluted.

My opinion only

We are told he was in 5th grade at that school (IF that repot is true). I am wondering if the school psychologist was the one to diagnose him with Aspergers, or if it was the school who asked his parents to take him somewhere for psychological testing? If this is the case, he could have blamed his problems on the schools's suggestions...thinking if they wouldn't have done that, he wouldn't have been labeled. IMO, there has to be some connection to this particular school.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://news.yahoo.com/state-family-claim-body-shooters-mom-115307362.html

 

[Wise Old Owl]

ITA Hickory!

As for the 5th grade report - I saw a T-shirt from that year where all the kids signed their names - and his was right there.

What gets me if that he was there for 5th grade - where was he for 1st - 4th?

And yes, I agree that Mrs. Sherlach (the psychologist) might have been part of that connection. She had been at the school for a long long time and was there when he would have attended. I'm curious if she recognized him when her and Mrs. Hochsprung went out to confront him.

As for the "creepy" black and white picture of him - I think that probably was his DL picture. Now we hear he got his DL at 18 - so that pic was TWO YEARS ago! I have to wonder what he looked like last week.

LE being back in the house tells me they are finding info that leaves questions for them and those answers are most probably in that house. Lt. Vance had said they were going through every piece of paper in that house - ok - so why is the crime lab needed? They are looking for something else - JMHO!!!!!

 

[Abby Normal Again]

We are told he was in 5th grade at that school (IF that repot is true). I am wondering if the school psychologist was the one to diagnose him with Aspergers, or if it was the school who asked his parents to take him somewhere for psychological testing? If this is the case, he could have blamed his problems on the schools's suggestions...thinking if they wouldn't have done that, he wouldn't have been labeled. IMO, there has to be some connection to this particular school.

The school psychologist wouldn't have diagnosed him- may have administered an IQ test or similar. I think technically the school can't diagnose, they can only assess where a person is relative to their peers based on standards, to provide extra help in areas of need.

I think the batman reference is possible, not for the same reason as that other murderer, but because he thought he was doing it "better," and more clever. I think he felt superior, and intellectually superior to most of the world. JMO.

 

[Hickory Born]

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...ooting/hc-lanza-ghost-20121219,0,359337.story

this link says he got his DL at age 18

also he had a cell phone but it contained nothing useful

also says he played video games online but due to hard drive damage that may be hard to piece together... (my thought: if he played online he would have a username.. hopefully they will be able to figure that piece out)

If LE knows what video sites he viewed, I think they can trace his ID to his particular Internet access. I know for a fact our local newspaper can trace comments made by the public to their computer. I forgot what they told me the process was called.

 

[Ronso]

Here all the school psychologists can do is give assessments, discuss with the parents the results, and encourage the parent to take the child to someone who can formally diagnose a disorder.

With my daughter, they did testing for Asperger's, but we could not get a diagnosis through the school. The psychologist told us that would've been a conflict of interest.

 

[manzana]

If LE knows what video sites he viewed, I think they can trace his ID to his particular Internet access. I know for a fact our local newspaper can trace comments made by the public to their computer. I forgot what they told me the process was called.

Clearly AL was anti-social, SO IT is doubtful imo that there will be much online, you may get a screen name but little else IMO Remember how quickly his brother was found and outed, even here, because he is social, with AL I believe his communication was with the games itself and they will not do any talking

 

[Jen38]

I can only speculate based on our own experience: every three years school districts complete an MFE: multi-factor evaluation, in which IEP goals are reviewed, IQ testing is done, and diagnosis reviewed. Initial diagnosis is by a physician and on the basis of that, an IEP is put into place. If the shooter were at Sandy Hook in fifth grade he would have been up for an evaluation that school year. The school psychologist does do an evaluation of him also for the MFE...it's possible if it was the same psychologist as when he was in fifth grade, he could have 'blamed' her for some reason. The fact that one of the children had special needs and died along with his teacher's aide in her arms has haunted me...did he have a purpose in taking out the school psychologist and principal, as 'authority figures' - did he want to stop another child from going through the system of testing and evaluations? Did he try to destroy this school and these innocent lives because he blamed them for setting him on the 'wrong' path? These questions HAUNT me.

 

[Kimster]

Early on someone said that he was subject to "outbursts", in his childhood. I wonder what that entailed. (I think it was Mr. Novia but I'm not 100 % sure.) I could see a person like you describe freaking and lashing out violently if someone forces a physical contact that they find unpleasant. But after he left school and got so isolated his mother probably treaded on eggshells around him and knew to avoid things that could have set him off and he rarely met any other people with whom it could have been an issue.

He might have had a very violent fantasy life.

These outbursts are usually called meltdowns in the Aspie circles. My son suffered from them horribly. They can appear quite scary, but the Aspie having them is actually more frightened than the person watching. There are different ways to handle them. For my son, having him go to his "cave" was one method. That is a quiet place where they can go to calm down. He had one at home and eventually they let him have one at school.

Another one that works well for strangers is to say something completely unrelated to what is going on. I gave this tool to a couple of his kinder classmates and they tried it with success. What you do is catch them early on in the meltdown and say something completely unrelated to what is going on . Like, say "Oh my gosh! What is that on the ceiling?" It can completely defuse the situation and the Aspie "snaps" out of it.

BTW, meltdowns decrease in the teen years. My son hardly ever experiences them anymore and he's around AL's age. And during meltdowns, things are not calculated, they are chaotic. This shooting wasn't due to Asperger's, I'd bet my last dollar on it. It's something else. It's whatever these murderers have in them that they all share... and we need to find it.

 

[FragileSugar]

According to the Post, Dylan, 6, lived across Yogananda Street from where the violence began. His neighbor, Nancy Lanza, was the mother of the suspected shooter.


What if after shooting NL, AL got in the car, wasn't sure where to go next, and saw little Dylan get on the school bus and followed it to the school? Buses arrive shortly before school starts and according to all accounts, AL walked in just as school was starting...

Just my theory.

 

[Ronso]

Meltdowns are different for each Aspie also. My daughter's are almost more like a panic attack. She has to pace and talk herself down when she gets that upset. If she gets angry, she rants, but not in a worrisome way. She just has to talk out her anger/emotions. When she has her panic meltdowns, the teacher's aide takes her into the hallway and lets her talk herself down. Typically she says things like, "It's okay. You're alright. "

 

[FragileSugar]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/killer_got_ready_with_mom_away_obDc6IlRDklXzQVDcUxkvI

Nancy Lanza checked into the Omni Mount Washington Resort in Bretton Woods, NH, at 12:10 p.m. Tuesday, and left around the same time Thursday.

“Every day we learn a little bit more, both from the computer and from talking to people,” said a law enforcement official.

Police also said yesterday that the second surviving shooting victim is an adult.

I'm guessing it's the janitor that has been mentioned numerous times.

 

[FragileSugar]

http://www.courant.com/news/connect...ooting/hc-lanza-ghost-20121219,0,359337.story

this link says he got his DL at age 18

also he had a cell phone but it contained nothing useful

also says he played video games online but due to hard drive damage that may be hard to piece together... (my thought: if he played online he would have a username.. hopefully they will be able to figure that piece out)

A lot of the online games also require monthly payments. If he used NL's credit card or his own, they should be able to find out if he had any online persona's that way...

 

[Kimster]

Meltdowns are different for each Aspie also. My daughter's are almost more like a panic attack. She has to pace and talk herself down when she gets that upset. If she gets angry, she rants, but not in a worrisome way. She just has to talk out her anger/emotions. When she has her panic meltdowns, the teacher's aide takes her into the hallway and lets her talk herself down. Typically she says things like, "It's okay. You're alright. "

I've found girls to be a lot more different than boys in a lot of ways. The parents I've talked to that have boys seemed to all have the same problems as I had. The ones with girls were different and I felt bad because there aren't as many Aspie girls and I felt their issues were unique and that made those parents more isolated. Thank you for sharing that the meltdowns do occur with girls, just manifest differently. I didn't know that!

 

[Kimster]

Before I leave to get ready for work, I wanted to share something with you. I talked to my son last night and asked if he knew the killer was an Aspie. He said he knows and is really surprised. He said it's not Asperger's. He doesn't relate to this killer's thoughts and deed any more than we do.

Later in the evening, he shared a new song with me. (He's a songwriter for a band). The words were so tender and thoughtful and geared towards others that my heart was filled with thankfulness that my son is who he is and that he is a positive contribution to the world. I just wanted you guys who don't know about Asperger's to know this. :rose:

 

[Darkman00]

Newtown gunman Adam Lanza may have wanted to join Marines or other military

The troubled Sandy Hook shooter had previously mentioned to his mother, Nancy Lanza, about serving in the armed forces, according to a friend. But she realized a military career 'wasn't right for him,' the friend said.

By Erik Ortiz / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Thursday, December 20, 2012, 8:57 AM

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/adam-lanza-wanted-join-marines-article-1.1224217#ixzz2FbfvHSVm

 

[Darkman00]

Good 2 large pics:

Spoiler

 

[laura08]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ter-credible-threat-found?lite&lite=obnetwork

A Maryland high school student has been committed for psychiatric evaluation after his peers raised concerns about him, prompting investigators to search his locker and hospitalize him after finding a "credible threat," an official said

I wanna know whats wrong with parents, It's unbelievable how many kids have brought guns to school after the newton tragedy. I don't think most have to worry nearly as much about a a person coming into the school like Al did as much as you have to worry about the rest of the kids in the school and the lack of parent supervision. Out of curiosity I typed into google student brings gun (news) so many articles so disturbing.