Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[time]

'Very interesting, thanx for sharing, wfgodot'.. For some unknown reason, I feel that AL, was not your typical mass murderer and that there were many red flags & warning signs before December 14, 2012..

So many questions and so few answers...

I agree... there was a good article posted yesterday (but I can't find it) about how this was not typical because most mass killers do not kill their parent first.

Found it...

Expert calls Newtown shooting "fundamentally different" because it started with matricide

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-because-it-started-with-matricide/?tag=socsh

 

[jjenny]

And this could be the reason behind all his anger towards his mum ... how dare she 'send him away' like that

IMO

(Sorry if this is the general feeling already ... have missed lots of pages of this thread)

She wasn't going to "send him away." Other people have said she was planning to move so she could be near him when he goes to school.

 

[spcagrl]

Aww. I think this criticism is a bit harsh. It is shocking fir any parent when they first realize they cannot always protect their precious child from every evil that exists in the world.

Thank you Gitana! I felt bad and thought I had expressed myself poorly. I was only trying to express the sadness that all of us feel already, then to have to hear about this drill from our own little one only highlighted the grief and fear the adults are feeling. Daughter and I did not dissolve in tears, and I counseled her that she needed to be strong for her little ones and not make them afraid. We ALL went through various drills in schools.........but neither daughter or I could recollect being drilled in what to do if a man with a GUN comes into your classroom.

I do not post often and that first response made me delete the original post, as I was embarrassed. But you have restored my faith with your understanding. Thank you so very much!

 

[popsicle]

Remember how on the audio of the first responders you can hear them yelling they have someone in their sight and yelling for him to get down... something alone this line? Read the first comment under this article that was posted above http://america20xy.com/blog6/?p=44249

 

[time]

She wasn't going to "send him away." Other people have said she was planning to move so she could be near him when he goes to school.

I do wonder though since her friend said a school or a center (and that she wasn't going to live with him), if it wasn't college at all. That doesn't mean she was just sending him away even if it wasn't college, maybe she was going to move nearby. I guess at some point we will know, maybe.

 

[JBean]

Thank you Gitana! I felt bad and thought I had expressed myself poorly. I was only trying to express the sadness that all of us feel already, then to have to hear about this drill from our own little one only highlighted the grief and fear the adults are feeling. Daughter and I did not dissolve in tears, and I counseled her that she needed to be strong for her little ones and not make them afraid. We ALL went through various drills in schools.........but neither daughter or I could recollect being drilled in what to do if a man with a GUN comes into your classroom.

I do not post often and that first response made me delete the original post, as I was embarrassed. But you have restored my faith with your understanding. Thank you so very much!

always alert on posts that violate and attack on such a personal level.
The offending post has since been removed.

 

[jjenny]

I do wonder though since her friend said a school or a center (and that she wasn't going to live with him), if it wasn't college at all. That doesn't mean she was just sending him away even if it wasn't college, maybe she was going to move nearby. I guess at some point we will know, maybe.

I don't know what their living arrangements were going to be, but she was telling people they both were going to move to Washington state so he could attend some school.

"No details have emerged about whether Adam Lanza enrolled at another school or worked somewhere after leaving Western Connecticut State. But his mother recently had been considering moving him to Washington state, said Mark Tambascio, a restaurant proprietor and close family friend, because she had discovered a school she thought would be good for him."
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...886191_1_newtown-police-state-police-firearms

 

[Foxfire]

I agree... there was a good article posted yesterday (but I can't find it) about how this was not typical because most mass killers do not kill their parent first.

Found it...

Expert calls Newtown shooting "fundamentally different" because it started with matricide

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57559991-504083/expert-calls-newtown-shooting-fundamentally-different-because-it-started-with-matricide/?tag=socsh

time, actually the killing of NL by AL is not the reason for my conclusion that AL in not your typical mass murderer. The killing of a parent/mom or loved one/spouse, by a mass killer is not unprecedented. The reason for my conclusion that AL is not the typical mass murderer is due to the silence & misinformation by investigators. It has been a week since the tragedy occurred, yet with the enormous resources; local, state, & federal. The only info provided has come from AL & NL's friends, family, etc...

Although Charles Joseph Whitman; TX Clock Tower shooter murdered his mother & spouse, it was out of empathy for them. AL's murder of NL, was out of rage, personal, and extreme control, imo.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Family_murders


Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was an engineering student and former Marine who killed 13 people and wounded 32 others in a shooting rampage located in and around the Tower of the University of Texas in Austin on August 1, 1966.

Family murders

The day before the shootings, Whitman purchased a pair of binoculars and a knife from a hardware store, and Spam from a 7-Eleven convenience store. He picked up his wife from her summer job as a telephone operator, before meeting his mother for lunch at the Wyatt Cafeteria, located close to the university.

At approximately 4:00 p.m. on July 31, Charles and Kathy Whitman visited their close friends John and Fran Morgan. They left the Morgans' apartment at 5:50 so that Kathy could get to her 6:00–10:00 p.m. shift.

At 6:45, Whitman began typing his suicide note, a portion of which read:
"I do not quite understand what it is that compels me to type this letter. Perhaps it is to leave some vague reason for the actions I have recently performed. I do not really understand myself these days. I am supposed to be an average reasonable and intelligent young man.
However, lately (I cannot recall when it started) I have been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts."

He said he had decided to kill both his mother and wife. Expressing uncertainty about his reasons, he said he wanted to relieve his wife and mother from the suffering of this world. He did not mention planning the attack at the university.

(read more)

 

[jjenny]

Killing parents and going to school to kill other people is by no means unique. Kip Kinkel killed both of his parents before going to school and killing 2 students there.

 

[time]

I don't know what their living arrangements were going to be, but she was telling people they both were going to move to Washington state so he could attend some school.

"No details have emerged about whether Adam Lanza enrolled at another school or worked somewhere after leaving Western Connecticut State. But his mother recently had been considering moving him to Washington state, said Mark Tambascio, a restaurant proprietor and close family friend, because she had discovered a school she thought would be good for him."
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...886191_1_newtown-police-state-police-firearms

I think I misunderstood pensfan - thought it was a quote by a friend , "school or center", but I think they were relaying possibilities/their perception.

 

[jjenny]

I think I misunderstood pensfan - thought it was a quote by a friend , "school or center", but I think they were relaying possibilities/their perception.

If AL just wanted to sit in her basement and play video games all day it probably doesn't matter if she found him a school for special needs students or some other facility-she was going to move and so he would have to move out of his basement.

 

[SouthAussie]

She wasn't going to "send him away." Other people have said she was planning to move so she could be near him when he goes to school.

Yes, I did read that .... her intentions were good. But I wonder if he saw it that way?

 

[time]

time, actually the killing of NL by AL is not the reason for my conclusion that AL in not your typical mass murderer. The killing of a parent/mom or loved one/spouse, by a mass killer is not unprecedented. The reason for my conclusion that AL is not the typical mass murderer is due to the silence & misinformation by investigators. It has been a week since the tragedy occurred, yet with the enormous resources; local, state, & federal. The only info provided has come from AL & NL's friends, family, etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman#Family_murders


Charles Joseph Whitman (June 24, 1941 – August 1, 1966) was an engineering student and former Marine who killed 13 people and wounded 32 others in a shooting rampage located in and around the Tower of the University of Texas in Austin on August 1, 1966.

Family murders

The day before the shootings, Whitman purchased a pair of binoculars and a knife from a hardware store, and Spam from a 7-Eleven convenience store. He picked up his wife from her summer job as a telephone operator, before meeting his mother for lunch at the Wyatt Cafeteria, located close to the university.

At approximately 4:00 p.m. on July 31, Charles and Kathy Whitman visited their close friends John and Fran Morgan. They left the Morgans' apartment at 5:50 so that Kathy could get to her 6:00–10:00 p.m. shift.

At 6:45, Whitman began typing his suicide note, a portion of which read:
"I do not quite understand what it is that compels me to type this letter. Perhaps it is to leave some vague reason for the actions I have recently performed. I do not really understand myself these days. I am supposed to be an average reasonable and intelligent young man.
However, lately (I cannot recall when it started) I have been a victim of many unusual and irrational thoughts."

He said he had decided to kill both his mother and wife. Expressing uncertainty about his reasons, he said he wanted to relieve his wife and mother from the suffering of this world. He did not mention planning the attack at the university.

(read more)

Well, I agree with that too. Maybe more will be released when the funerals and memorials are over, but I agree with what someone said earlier, it has been handled poorly overall.

Yes, I remember that case cited earlier.

 

[time]

If AL just wanted to sit in her basement and play video games all day it probably doesn't matter if she found him a school for special needs students or some other facility-she was going to move and so he would have to move out of his basement.

I've been feeling that is the case also. I think the whole think came too late.


Some of my initial thoughts were that If I had been his mother, I would have sold the house, even if the market wasn't good and moved into a smaller place, getting him out of that basement. I wouldn't have worried as much as just getting him out of my house, I guess. Just changing the landscape.

 

[not_my_kids]

My head is going to explode. We have an article a few pages back saying that Nancy was once known for the game nights she hosted, other articles saying that she was the only one of the bunco group that didn't host game night.

We have reports that he was wearing a bulletproof vest, others say he was wearing a utility vest.

We have reports that he hasn't seen his father since he was 18, or was it when he was 3?

I swear there is a smiley for this...

 

[Pensfan]

I think I misunderstood pensfan - thought it was a quote by a friend , "school or center", but I think they were relaying possibilities/their perception.

You didn't misunderstand and that was a quote by a friend.
Nancy was going to put him in a school or a center. When discussing autistic adults, a "center" is a residential habilitation center. Some of these are called "schools". See Ranier School in Buckley, Washington. This is a RHC, but called a school.

Residential Habilitation Centers (RHC)
RHCs are state-operated residential settings that provide habilitation training, 24-hour supervision, and medical/nursing services for clients who meet Medicaid eligibility and need active treatment services. An RHC may be certified as an Intermediate Care Facility for Individuals with Intellectual Disabilities (ICF/ID) and/or licensed as a Nursing Facility. In addition, respite and other specialized services may be available to clients living in the community. There are four RHCs in Washington State.
Fircrest School Shoreline, Washington
Lakeland Village, Medical Lake, Washington
Rainier School, Buckley, Washington
Yakima Valley School, Selah, Washington

Over the past year and a half, Ford said, Nancy Lanza had told him that she planned to move out West and enroll Adam in a “school or a center.” The plan started unfolding after Adam turned 18.
“He wouldn’t be dwelling with her,” said Ford, who remembered that Adam Lanza never spoke to him or even made eye contact.
Ford said Nancy Lanza didn’t elaborate on what type of services she wanted her son to receive. He hadn’t seen her in about a month and a half, and said she made fewer appearances at the restaurant in recent months.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...eec2-4b03-11e2-8758-b64a2997a921_story_1.html

 

[Tennlyn]

My head is going to explode. We have an article a few pages back saying that Nancy was once known for the game nights she hosted, other articles saying that she was the only one of the bunco group that didn't host game night.

We have reports that he was wearing a bulletproof vest, others say he was wearing a utility vest.

We have reports that he hasn't seen his father since he was 18, or was it when he was 3?

I swear there is a smiley for this...

ullhair:

 

[not_my_kids]

ullhair:

That one works.

 

[HMSHood]

There have been school shooters and mass shooters who kill their parents and/or legal guardian before they go the rampage.

Charles Whitman-Killed wife and mother. Killed 15 people at UT-Austin.
Eric Borel-Killed mother, stepfather, and brother. Killed 12 people mear Cuers, France on September 24, 1995.
Luke Woodham-Killed mother. Killed 2 people at Pearl High School.
Kip Kinkel-Killed mother and father. Killed 2 people at Thurston High School.
Jeff Weise-Killed grandfather and his girlfriend. Killed 7 people at Red Lake High School.
Adam Lanza-Killed mother

 

[Trident]

Remember how on the audio of the first responders you can hear them yelling they have someone in their sight and yelling for him to get down... something alone this line? Read the first comment under this article that was posted above http://america20xy.com/blog6/?p=44249

Yes, I heard that myself. I, too, thought it was inside the school, but maybe I was wrong, I don't know.