Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[Xavier]

Once the shooting began, Mr Varga tried to lock the door to the conference room. When he found out the door would not lock, the teacher then ran down a smoke-filled hallway to safety but turned back to help his fellow staff escape.

:banghead::banghead::banghead: Is this the fourth account of a teacher being unable to lock their door?

Thanks for investigating this Sugar...doors not locking is becoming a bigger issue

 

[LolaMoon08]

I don't blame the family for not talking to the media. Maybe later when they've had time to process it and get over the worst of the shock.

I don't blame the family for not speaking to the media either. I don't like the ex-sister-in-law talking to the media. She has not even seen Nancy or her boys in years! I have family (actually blood related) that I am friends with on facebook who know nothing about my life. Speaking on facebook is very public and not even personal. Liking pictures or status' does not make a personal relationship. I just find it odd that she is the one who first said Nancy was a teacher at the school and we find out she was, in fact, not.

 

[Hickory Born]

I'm glad to hear that your family is a close-knit, loving, supportive one to your asperger grandson. Unfortunately in Adam Lanza's case, it looks like his dad and brother as well as other relatives -- where are his grandparents and uncles, aunts, etc. -- had disappeared from his life entirely. To Adam, it likely felt like complete abandonment. Although Adam's 20 years old, he's still a "child" in many ways as he lacked the ability to function as an independent adult in society.

I think the adult family members should have tried a little harder to include Adam in their lives. Maybe a phone call once in a while to Adam, or even an email or e-card or even a handwritten, snail mail card to let Adam know he's still unconditionally loved? I'm not blaming them for what Adam did, but they clearly were not there for him when he most needed it.

I know mental illness has a way of isolating family members from the mentally ill patient. And that saddens me greatly. I wish there was something done for Adam before he exploded. As hard as it may be for some to feel for Adam, I not only see the 27 who are dead as victims, I also see Adam as a 28th victim but he was a victim to mental illness.

We do not know what the adults members of his family did! They could have emailed, sent snail mail, or tried to call. We just don't know and should not speculate.

 

[HMSHood]

I don't blame the family for not speaking to the media either. I don't like the ex-sister-in-law talking to the media. She has not even seen Nancy or her boys in years! I have family (actually blood related) that I am friends with on facebook who know nothing about my life. Speaking on facebook is very public and not even personal. Liking pictures or status' does not make a personal relationship. I just find it odd that she is the one who first said Nancy was a teacher at the school and we find out she was, in fact, not.

Nancy Lanza being a survivalist came from the sister-in-law, no one else.

 

[Xavier]

I don't know. If he wanted to afford her a more "humane" death, he would not have shot her four times in the head/face. AL was obviously extremely angry at NL for whatever reason and I am willing to bet he probably woke her up. He would have wanted her to know what was going to happen.

I think what is being said, that NL was asleep made it more "humane" because she did'nt see her death coming...shooting her 4 times in her face is pure evil

 

[time]

mikeysmommom I appreciate your passionate, heartfelt post; you are right that 27 people needlessly lost their lives. Unfortunately we do not yet know: IF Peter Lanza owns any firearms, IF the Lanza's went shooting together as a family while Peter and Nancy Lanza were married, IF Adam and Peter Lanza had an estranged relationship, IF Nancy Lanza allowed Adam to have access to her firearms, IF Nancy Lanza had a gun safe or trigger locks or too many other IF's to state.

Much of the reporting has been and continues to be based on speculation, rumor or poor sourcing of information. There are several documented examples of misreporting/inaccurate reporting about Nancy Lanza and the shooter.

I am simply urging us to have the patience to allow LE to conduct their investigation, the individuals who were close friends of or related to the Lanza family to come forward and the true facts to come out before we consider or believe that we fully understand the situation. The facts are critically important because when they are revealed they can be utilized to help prevent further tragedies.

Now is the time to honor the victims, not put too much weight on speculations about how or why.

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We know there was access to many guns and we know that if that wasn't the case, this probably wouldn't have happened.

 

[wfgodot]

While the survivalist/"doomsday prepper" thing indeed has come only, afaik, from the ex-sister-in-law, have any of those who knew NL spoken to refute that notion? Just curious. Can't find links, still looking.

 

[HastingsChi]

Nancy Lanza being a survivalist came from the sister-in-law, no one else.

If you listen to the raw audio posted last Saturday by the Chicago Sun Times you will hear that Marsha Lanza's insinuation that Nancy was a survivalist was more of a response to the reporter's question about that potential and answered without a lot of confidence but not disputing that she may have been. The raw audio from the Sun Times which is the basis for the article paints quite a strong, positive impression of Nancy Lanza and is a must-listen (unfortunately the Sun Times pay wall doesn't allow for me to share it)

 

[Xavier]

This story, if it's true reporting, speaks volumes on the family disconnect...I wonder how much communication was between Nancy & Peter after the divorce?

If very little communication went on after their divorce, it validates in my mind Nancy was going alone on raising her boy


Peter Lanza -- Adam Lanza's father -- reportedly had almost no involvement in his son's life in the years leading up to the Sandy Hook shooting.

NBC News reports that Adam had cut off communications with Peter, refusing to see him, according to a source close to the family.

Peter and Nancy Lanza split in 2001 and in 2010, Peter started dating a new woman. The source said that's when Adam stopped speaking with his dad. The father and son hadn't seen each other since then, according to the report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/peter-lanza-adam-lanza_n_2324979.html

 

[LolaMoon08]

I wish they would donate these toys to a children s hospital or toys for tots in honor of the victims.

Agreed. They probably will eventually be donated, but I think it is too soon. When Caylee's remains were found off Suburban Drive (December 11th, 2008), stuffed animals and dolls were placed there by the hundreds. I remember when they started taking them away and there was a huge uproar as it was too soon for many, many people. To this day, people still place things there for her.

The difference between these toys and Caylee's toys is that it appears that these toys will not be destroyed by the elements and they really should be donated sometime after the New Year.

 

[Donjeta]

While the survivalist/"doomsday prepper" thing indeed has come only, afaik, from the ex-sister-in-law, have any of those who knew NL spoken to refute that notion? Just curious. Can't find links, still looking.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/nati...cy-Lanzas-Family-Holds-Funeral-184343951.html

The article is about her funeral but there is a video that has a friend John Bergqvist saying he wouldn't classify her as a survivalist.

 

[HastingsChi]

This story, if it's true reporting, speaks volumes on the family disconnect
Peter Lanza -- Adam Lanza's father -- reportedly had almost no involvement in his son's life in the years leading up to the Sandy Hook shooting.

NBC News reports that Adam had cut off communications with Peter, refusing to see him, according to a source close to the family.

Peter and Nancy Lanza split in 2001 and in 2010, Peter started dating a new woman. The source said that's when Adam stopped speaking with his dad. The father and son hadn't seen each other since then, according to the report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/peter-lanza-adam-lanza_n_2324979.html

"a source close to the family" means the basis for everything is a single source. Before 2001 such information would never be allowed to be published/broadcast because double-sourcing information is/was the ethical standard of good, honest journalism.

Note that "a source close to the family" also shared that the shooter did that because he was angry his mother was going to have him institutionalized. This, like many other "news" reports have been debunked.

 

[wfgodot]

If you listen to the raw audio posted last Saturday by the Chicago Sun Times you will hear that Marsha Lanza's insinuation that Nancy was a survivalist was more of a response to the reporter's question about that potential and answered without a lot of confidence but not disputing that she may have been. The raw audio from the Sun Times which is the basis for the article paints quite a strong, positive impression of Nancy Lanza and is a must-listen (unfortunately the Sun Times pay wall doesn't allow for me to share it)

There's video here of the ex-sister-in-law being interviewed.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/nancy-lanza-survivalist-preparing-economic-

(first video)

 

[time]

While the survivalist/"doomsday prepper" thing indeed has come only, afaik, from the ex-sister-in-law, have any of those who knew NL spoken to refute that notion? Just curious. Can't find links, still looking.

One of her friend at My Place said he really didn't think she was a survivalist. I think the truth is still out on this one. What makes me think she might have been is that Marsha said they had talked about economic collapse (that's specific) and because I can't understand collecting this amount of guns with that kind of power in such a short period of time is not. I understand gun collectors, but I think they get guns over decades typically? However, NL hadn't worked in about 14 -15 years, so maybe when she picked up a hobby she really got into it full force?

 

[manzana]

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We know there was access to many guns and we know that if that wasn't the case, this probably wouldn't have happened.

and we know where his interest with guns came from so to say he would have got them elsewhere? That interest was fostered in at home.

 

[bourne]

Who is to say they didn't? Maybe NL cut off ties with her family? It's a very odd family dynamic to say the least. Everything we know about NL and AL has come from acquaintances, barbers, and the aunt who had not seen either of them in years.

Agree, we don't know the whole story and history. However, from the news reports, the dad and brother themselves stated that they had not spoken or kept in touch with Adam for at least 3 years, since the dad and mom got divorced. If they had tried to contact him, they did not say that. I can only go by what is reported by MSM. I think had they actually called/emailed/wrote letters to Adam and Adam did ceased the communication, they would have stated that upfront, and said "I had called/emailed/wrote a letter to him a few times, but he never responded". JMO

 

[Marina2]

Or if he had not had access to an assault rifle in the first place.

I believe he would have used whatever weapons he had available to him, legal or not, automatic/semi-automatic or single shot. Yes, he had an assault rifle (which, CT's definition of assault weapons did not include) but the lack thereof would not have stopped him.

 

[georgiagirl]

I am shocked he was allowed to get a driver's license. It doesn't sound like he needed to ever be behind the wheel of a car.

 

[LolaMoon08]

One of her friend at My Place said he really didn't think she was a survivalist. I think the truth is still out on this one. What makes me think she might have been is that Marsha said they had talked about economic collapse (that's specific) and because I can't understand collecting this amount of guns with that kind of power in such a short period of time is not. I understand gun collectors, but I think they get guns over decades typically? However, NL hadn't worked in about 14 -15 years, so maybe when she picked up a hobby she really got into it full force?

Would an economic collapse even remotely effect Nancy? She has been getting over $200,000.00 a year in alimony and we don't even know how much she was awarded (lump sum) in the divorce. She lived a very comfortable life. One that had she saved right, could live out the rest of her life comfortably.

 

[wfgodot]

I believe he would have used whatever weapons he had available to him, legal or not, automatic/semi-automatic or single shot. Yes, he had an assault rifle (which, CT's definition of assault weapons did not include) but the lack thereof would not have stopped him.

Would have resorted to guns then, you are saying. He killed because he had access to guns.