Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[manzana]

I am shocked he was allowed to get a driver's license. It doesn't sound like he needed to ever be behind the wheel of a car.

and he may have been a better driver than you or I.

I am tired of hearing how AL was not capable of anything.

 

[HastingsChi]

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We know there was access to many guns and we know that if that wasn't the case, this probably wouldn't have happened.

Simply it is dangerous to jump to conclusions before the facts are known. (For more information: Jewell, Richard; Echols, Damien; Misskelley, Jr., Jessie ; Baldwin, Jason).

While I am not disputing the fact that Adam Lanza is the shooter (and only perpetrator), I highlight the above examples to show how rumor/speculation/misreporting can wrongly influence public perception.

 

[popsicle]

Agreed. They probably will eventually be donated, but I think it is too soon. When Caylee's remains were found off Suburban Drive, stuffed animals and dolls were placed there by the hundreds. I remember when they started taking them away and there was a huge uproar as it was too soon for many, many people. To this day, people still place things there for her.

The difference between these toys and Caylee's toys is that it appears that these toys will not be destroyed by the elements and they really should be donated sometime after the New Year.

I agree. Thank you. I was just thinking with it being Christmas and all the children that are in need, that's all. But I totally agree, it is too soon.

 

[bourne]

This story, if it's true reporting, speaks volumes on the family disconnect...I wonder how much communication was between Nancy & Peter after the divorce?

If very little communication went on after their divorce, it validates in my mind Nancy was going alone on raising her boy


Peter Lanza -- Adam Lanza's father -- reportedly had almost no involvement in his son's life in the years leading up to the Sandy Hook shooting.

NBC News reports that Adam had cut off communications with Peter, refusing to see him, according to a source close to the family.

Peter and Nancy Lanza split in 2001 and in 2010, Peter started dating a new woman. The source said that's when Adam stopped speaking with his dad. The father and son hadn't seen each other since then, according to the report.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/peter-lanza-adam-lanza_n_2324979.html

The noncommunication between the father and Adam is very sad. I think about my kids and there is no way I would not try my darndest to connect with them regardless of circumstances. As I said in earlier post, I'd at least send them letters or gifts on holidays and birthdays. If they didn't want the items, they could just toss them. But I'd still as a parent be doing my part to try to connect with my own child.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

and he may have been a better driver than you or I.

I am tired of hearing how AL was not capable of anything.

This is something that REALLY bothers me. Have we actually heard from LE or a DR. that there is REAL documented evidence that he actually suffered from ANYTHING?

 

[time]

Would an economic collapse even remotely effect Nancy? She has been getting over $200,000.00 a year in alimony and we don't even know how much she was awarded (lump sum) in the divorce. She lived a very comfortable life. One that had she saved right, could live out the rest of her life comfortably.

I'm not saying Nancy thought this, but in the event of a huge economic collapse, people believe much as we know it will be severely damaged and it will cause all kinds of havoc. Another issue would be not having access to your money if it's in a bank anyway. Preppers/Survivalists usually believe they would have to be totally self-sufficient in these doomsday scenarios. When it comes down to it, the guns are to kill off your neighbors who were not prepared and will become desperate. I guess, they will then come after what you have.

 

[HastingsChi]

There's video here of the ex-sister-in-law being interviewed.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/nancy-lanza-survivalist-preparing-economic-

(first video)

Thanks wfgodot. The 6 minute raw audio published by the Chicago Sun Times allows one to understand the soundbyte in context whereas the sensationalized video clip you linked to does not. Interestingly enough, the Sun Times article about their interview with Marsha mentioned but didn't highlight the survivalist or prepper stuff because it was not the focus. If only the Sun Times didn't have a pay wall I'd love for everyone to hear it.

 

[newlyminted]

okay, here is a random theory that I've been thinking about.

AL stopped talking to his father around the time he married his current wife, by all accounts. The brother it, seems, stopped interacting with AL around the time he set off in his career (working at the same company their father worked for previously, BTW), NL started taking a lot of trips in the last year. I'm wondering if maybe NL started dating someone seriously and this pushed AL over the edge.

I'd say based on the fact that RL is working were the father once did would indicate that they have a marginally close relationship, at the very least, on speaking terms.. I doubt its a coincidence.

His father "abandoned" him for another woman.
His brother "abandoned" him for a new, grown up life.

Maybe he felt his mother was going to "abandon" him too for a love/relationship/life away from him and it enraged him.

The school thing wouldn't fit into it in any way, other than the fact that AL went there and perhaps that was the start of his problems.

I know no one has come out and said they were dating NL, but frankly, I don't think I would be shouting that from the rooftops if I was the man she was, perhaps, seeing.

 

[Hickory Born]

Agree, we don't know the whole story and history. However, from the news reports, the dad and brother themselves stated that they had not spoken or kept in touch with Adam for at least 3 years, since the dad and mom got divorced. If they had tried to contact him, they did not say that. I can only go by what is reported by MSM. I think had they actually called/emailed/wrote letters to Adam and Adam did ceased the communication, they would have stated that upfront, and said "I had called/emailed/wrote a letter to him a few times, but he never responded". JMO

Would you please supply a link where the dad and brother said this.

 

[wfgodot]

Thanks wfgodot. The 6 minute raw audio published by the Chicago Sun Times allows one to understand the soundbyte in context whereas the sensationalized video clip you linked to does not. Interestingly enough, the Sun Times article about their interview with Marsha mentioned but didn't highlight the survivalist or prepper stuff because it was not the focus. If only the Sun Times didn't have a pay wall I'd love for everyone to hear it.

Yes, but there she is, and stating it as fact. The reporter's not exactly pulling teeth, it doesn't appear. Nothing sensationalized about it.

Marsha Lanza: "The last time we visited her in person, yeah, we talked about prepping, and, you know, how to get ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses."

Not saying ML is telling the truth; just saying she stated this as fact.

 

[bourne]

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Sorry. AL is not "a victim." He killed twenty first-graders in cold blood. He murdered his mother and six teachers.

To assign him status as "victim" insults those many among us who battle mental illness daily, and do not resort to violence.

I agree he is not a victim of the shooting. I did not say all mentally ill are violent. Each individual is different. Adam Lanza was a victim of HIS own mental illness which is uniquely his -- not yours or anyone else's.

 

[HastingsChi]

This is something that REALLY bothers me. Have we actually heard from LE or a DR. that there is REAL documented evidence that he actually suffered from ANYTHING?

CJMAJORGIRL24 the Lanza's divorce mediation documentation mentions the shooter having Aspergers Syndrome. Beyond that, we do not have REAL documented evidence the shooter suffered from other things.

 

[Elley Mae]

At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza was often having crises that only his mother could defuse.

Adam Lanza "could take flight, which I think was the big issue, and it wasn't a rebellious or defiant thing," Novia said. "It was withdrawal."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...er-of-gunman-private-home-life_n_2313027.html

 

[bourne]

I'm purely speculating here, I don't have all of the facts yet...But If NL tried to dampen AL's interest in the military because of AL's behaviors I think part of AL's rage was maybe he was realizing his career options were becoming very limited

He may have come up with the military career idea simply to avoid possibly the group home/special needs option that has been discussed on this thread.

He likely realized he never would be allowed to have access to guns in a group home ( as far as the one's I know of from our brother's group home experience) and possibly be limited on using his computers, cameras, etc ...Having unlimited freedoms at the big home and not having to share or be forced into dealing with strangers seemed to be a big part of AL's life.

This reality could've really set up rage towards his mom for squelching his interests

I think a multiplicity of factors came into play to set Adam off, one of which may very well be the mom squashing his desire to join the military.

I'm curious why she decided to teach him to shoot. Was it to help him gain confidence? Was it her way of bonding with him? IDK

 

[time]

Simply it is dangerous to jump to conclusions before the facts are known. (For more information: Jewell, Richard; Echols, Damien; Misskelley, Jr., Jessie ; Baldwin, Jason).

While I am not disputing the fact that Adam Lanza is the shooter (and only perpetrator), I highlight the above examples to show how rumor/speculation/misreporting can wrongly influence public perception.

Jump to what conclusions? You are jumping around, hard for me to follow, from those wrongfully convicted, to worrying that people are saying bad things about NL. I agree, the press should be held more accountable. I don't think most people on this site are so gullible though so I am not sure who you are talking to.

 

[Foxfire]

I have followed this from the beginning, or almost the beginning since I am on the West Coast and the whole incident was over by the time I got up and became aware of "a shooting at a school".

To be honest in the first few hours, I really didn't pay a whole lot of attention. A shooting at a school, 2 people dead. Okay, so what else is new?

Then, by early afternoon here, all of a sudden, there were 20 people dead, then shortly after, 26, then, 27, then it took awhile to include the fact that the shooter was dead, leaving 28 people dead.

In other words, it didn't really capture my attention until ALL OF SUDDEN there were 20 people dead. From 2 to 20!!!

While I think the reporting has been atrocious, probably the worst I have ever seen in terms of totally made up interviews and stories, I put the blame squarely on the Connecticut State Police policy to reveal as little information to the public as possible.

That is Lt. Vance's job and he has been doing it for fourteen years. You can read of past cases where information about the investigation is basically not released to the public. Not even after the case is over.

I remarked on this early on. While people praised what a great job he was doing, (I think they thought he was personally investigating the case) I thought it was odd, that we weren't really learning anything at all in the press conferences. For instance it was three days before the names of the shooter and the victim in the house were officially named. And, initially, the name of the shooter they themselves leaked to the press was WRONG! I think that's appalling.

In addition, when the police held those families at that Fire Station for hours, without informing them that their kids were dead, that was the tipping point for me. The Governor finally took control and had the backbone to tell the parents that they were there because, yes, in fact, their kids were dead. I honestly believe had it been left up to the State Police, it would have been a few more days before the people were identified and the names given out.

That's just my opinion and how I saw it as it was unfolding. I think it will be years, if ever, that the Connecticut State Police finishes their investigation and releases a report.

Lt. Vance's only job is to obsfucate for the Connecticut State Police, and that is exactly what he has done.

I think the citizens of Connecticut deserve to know more about what their State Police are up to, in other words, they really deserve more transparency in their government.

'Very well said, i.b.nora'..

Imo, due to misinformation & silence by investigators in this investigation as well as the many prior school shootings.. This vicious circle may never be broken & sadly the cycle of tragic school shootings will simply continue, as they have for decades..


"Luv this Quote by Criminal Profiler Pat Brown"-"Why, that it is important for the citizens to be informed of how cases and investigations are handled".

We could use a strong accountability system not dependent on appeals, but rather oversight. The public/citizens have a right to know exactly how decisions are made and cases are handled. It does not have to be in the midst of the case but certainly afterward there should be transparency. If there isn&#8217;t, how can we address issues of corruption, incompetence, and error?

We need to know in order to fix problems and hold people accountable for what is supposed to be work done on behalf of the citizens. Somehow &#8220;the interest of the state&#8221; seems to preclude the citizenry which is odd, considering the state IS the citizenry, well, at least in a democratic republic with a constitution...

 

[wfgodot]

I agree he is not a victim of the shooting. I did not say all mentally ill are violent. Each individual is different. Adam Lanza was a victim of HIS own mental illness which is uniquely his -- not yours or anyone else's.

You included him as a "28th victim" in the context of the Newtown tragedy.

 

[HastingsChi]

Yes, but there she is, and stating it as fact. The reporter's not exactly pulling teeth, it doesn't appear. Nothing sensationalized about it.

I see what you're saying; but the context of the news report leading with the survivalist stuff with the December 21st gibberish being in the news the past couple of weeks makes it more sensationalized in the sense that "Did the CT Shooter's Mom think the world was going to end and prepping for fighting the zombies?" gets your attention and makes the shooter's mother so different than you and I that it gains our interest in a weird way. Whereas in the full context of the interview one is left with the impression that Nancy Lanza was an awesome mother who unconditionally loved her sons and at family functions was always on the floor playing with the children (we can all relate to that type of person but the doomsday prepper not so much). Hopefully that clarifies it a bit.

 

[Marina2]

Would have resorted to guns then, you are saying. He killed because he had access to guns.

I said weapons, guns or otherwise. Although I support a ban on assault weapons, I don't think it would have stopped AL. He was intent on killing and he would have used whatever he had even if he had to make a bomb, imo. He planned this meticulously and he had the brains to do it.. We will never get rid of all guns in this country and I will not blame NL directly or indirectly for having guns. I wish someone at the school had a gun when he showed up.

 

[Xavier]

This is something that REALLY bothers me. Have we actually heard from LE or a DR. that there is REAL documented evidence that he actually suffered from ANYTHING?

GIRL24--- Yeah, I agree, we never have heard Lanza ever suffering from any disability or illness

I think soon more intel will be revealed