Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[Pensfan]

Oh I understand that, but overall the friend seemed to be rejecting the idea that she would send him away at all.

>>Nancy was so dedicated to Adam,&#8221; the friend said. &#8220;She would never send him away. She just couldn&#8217;t do that.&#8221;<<

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ewtown-killer-article-1.1223612#ixzz2FlGPGwZR

Nobody wants to think a friend of theirs would send their child off to a One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest hospital. (These type of facilities, long-term state hospitals, are very rare now, but most people don't know that.)

 

[Pensfan]

Pennsfan if we are to accept that quote from the article &#8220;Nancy was so dedicated to Adam,&#8221; the friend said. &#8220;She would never send him away. She just couldn&#8217;t do that.&#8221; then this would include not sending him to residential habilitation center as you mentioned.

Nancy didn't tell her buddies the details of what was occurring in her home. She was very private. If she had shared what was likely occurring, her friend would not have stated that.

 

[JBean]

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...ommitted-could-been-reason-shootings-reports-


This article says one source reports she was sending him to a psychiatric facility and another source reports she was sending him to a special school. Conflicting report within a report.

 

[HastingsChi]

As a former journalist I think it is important to mention that articles highlighting single sourced information from unnamed sources whether it be a "friend" or "acquaintance" or "former classmate" the reader should be cautious of the information.
(Double sourced information including a named and unnamed source whose credibility is checked is light years more acceptable)

10 or so years ago such information from not vetted, unnamed sources without collaboration would not be broadcast or printed by credible media outlets; the 24 hour news cycle has substantially changed this. Today it is more important to be first than completely accurate.

 

[JBean]

Nobody wants to think a friend of theirs would send their child off to a One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest hospital. (These type of facilities, long-term state hospitals, are very rare now, but most people don't know that.)

They are definitely rare here in CA.

 

[Pensfan]

http://www.clarionledger.com/articl...ommitted-could-been-reason-shootings-reports-


This article says one source reports she was sending him to a psychiatric facility and another source reports she was sending him to a special school. Conflicting report within a report.

Because RHCs are filled with developmentally disabled individuals that do not act "normal", many people don't understand that there is a difference and they interchange these terms, IMO.

 

[3doglady]

Really? I didn't encounter that problem and I'm not a subscriber to that paper; anyone else facing that problem? I don't believe there is a fire wall.

When I click on the link I get a dark page with a pop up "view subscription offers". Click on it and I am given the payment terms.

 

[HastingsChi]

Nancy didn't tell her buddies the details of what was occurring in her home. She was very private. If she had shared what was likely occurring, her friend would not have stated that.

Pennsfan you're arguing both sides of the coin: first you were arguing in support of statements that Nancy Lanza was sending him away, now you're starting that "Nancy didn't tell her buddies the details of what was occurring in her home. She was very private."

 

[Pensfan]

As a former journalist I think it is important to mention that articles highlighting single sourced information from unnamed sources whether it be a "friend" or "acquaintance" or "former classmate" the reader should be cautious of the information.
(Double sourced information including a named and unnamed source whose credibility is checked is light years more acceptable)

10 or so years ago such information from not vetted, unnamed sources without collaboration would not be broadcast or printed by credible media outlets; the 24 hour news cycle has substantially changed this. Today it is more important to be first than completely accurate.

At this time, it is dangerous to have a news entity print a name and state that he/she was Nancy's friend.

 

[jjenny]

Please post a link showing that Nancy intended to leave the killer's living situation exactly as it was. If there isn't one, then there is are not contradictory reports. Two of Nancy's friends stated that she was considering placing him in a school or center (which would be a residential habilitation center). Another man, the son of the pastor, stated that he heard Nancy was considering placing the killer in a residential facility and was trying to get conservatorship of him.

CNN interviewed Nancy's friends that said she chatted with them during her two nights on vacation and seemed in good spirits. These same friends stated that she left the killer alone and had done so before on her mini-vacations. Other news entities did not get interviews from these friends to report this info.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/report-n...-adam-home-alone-for-two-days-before-rampage/

Did son of the pastor ever even met Nancy? Why insist that this is credible information, when everything suggests otherwise? Sounds like so of the pastor heard some rumors, but he has know first hand knowledge of what Nancy was up to.

 

[HastingsChi]

When I click on the link I get a dark page with a pop up "view subscription offers". Click on it and I am given the payment terms.

Sorry about that 3doglady, I guess my ad blocking stuff let's me bypass such things.

As SouthAussie was awesome to share: "I typed 'Newtown massacre: Pastor disputes son's account on Adam Lanza's motive' into google search and was able to access it for free, if that helps"

 

[gngr~snap]

<<The basement of the Lanza home was fully carpeted and had artwork, including a picture of a horse, on the walls. There was a computer, a flat-screen television, couches and an elaborate setup for video games. Nancy Lanza kept her guns in what appeared to be a secure case in another part of the basement, Ford said.<<

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/bells-toll-victims-week-shooting-18037027#.UNVcgW_AeSp

IF she was planning on selling her home it makes sense that she would remove
all the posters. Doesn't it?
The guy said he did some chimney and pipe work for her.
Sure sounds like she was indeed planning on a move. IMO

THIS would also be a source of stress to her son wouldn't it?
Removing what he had become used to.

 

[jjenny]

Thanks for sharing this wfgodot.

This is the second article that I've read mentioning that Nancy " was from gun culture" and that guns were part of "her upbringing."

I highlight this because, if accurate, it dispels the notion that Nancy recently got into guns and makes an examination of Peter Lanza's potential gun ownership as well as any gun-related family activities that they may have enjoyed while Peter and Nancy were married. Potentially the family owned firearms that may have been in Peter's name and Nancy might have had a license.

I highlight this because since Peter Lanza has been given a pass by the media and Nancy has been portrayed as becoming a gun person since the separation/divorce we don't know the facts of the role of firearms in the life of the Lanza family.

The weapons used to murder students/ teachers were purchased by Nancy since 2010, according to msm articles.

 

[HMSHood]

What I found most peculiar about the LAN parties is how could the shooter who seemingly was "into" computers (based on the detailed LAN parties descriptions & yearbook photo) have absolutely zero online presence...

If he had an online presence, he would of probably used different name(s).

 

[HastingsChi]

At this time, it is dangerous to have a news entity print a name and state that he/she was Nancy's friend.

It's more dangerous to report inaccurate, not double sourced information from nameless sources who have not been vetted.

Please don't forget this is WS and Nancy Lanza is a victim of murder.

 

[Pensfan]

Pennsfan you're arguing both sides of the coin: first you were arguing in support of statements that Nancy Lanza was sending him away, now you're starting that "Nancy didn't tell her buddies the details of what was occurring in her home. She was very private."

A terrible fact is that most ASD individuals will never be able to live and function alone. Although many live with their families, other are put into residential facilities especially if the family is wealthy or the parents are older. Before the 1980's it was estimated that 90% of ASD individuals were institutionalized.

It is logical to think that Nancy was looking to place her son somewhere. She didn't tell all her friends about the struggles she had at home, so some of them thought she would never "abandon" her non-problematic child. Others that she drank with sensed that there was something wrong since Nancy wasn't see around town much in the last month and a half (Sorry, I'm too lazy to find that link, but it exists.) These drinking buddies understood that Nancy was going to move the killer out of her home. These friends stated that the killer was going to be placed in a school or a center.

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh I understand that, but overall the friend seemed to be rejecting the idea that she would send him away at all.

>>Nancy was so dedicated to Adam,” the friend said. “She would never send him away. She just couldn’t do that.”<<

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...ewtown-killer-article-1.1223612#ixzz2FlGPGwZR

Not questioning Nancy's dedication to her son at all, but can we presume that all of her friends knew of her possible intentions?

I know that I don’t tell all of my friends everything …. some I tell more, some I tell less …. probably because friends don’t necessarily all react in the same way and sometimes I just don’t need the stress of dealing with a friend’s reaction as well as dealing with whatever my concern is.

Nancy already had a massive task caring for a son with issues. Don't know if she would have had the energy left to explain her possible intentions to a friend who thought that putting Adam in a care facility was out of the question. Maybe she was delaying telling this particular friend until any move that she and Adam might make was finalised?

 

[jjenny]

Asperger's is a high functioning kind of autism. So the idea that these individuals can not function independently doesn't apply to those with Asperger's.

 

[kalekona]

I'd highlight Joshua's statement on Twitter:
@JoshuaFlashman@soderstromk @jimchap @G33kspeak I told a reporter what the people in town were saying about Adam Lanza’s motive, & next thing I know, I’m ”intimately aquainted” with the Lanza family and knew Adam’s motives first hand. Funny, I didn’t know that!

Additionally Joshua's lies to Fox (or Fox's misreporting) was that Adam was mad at his mother because she “loved the school (Sandy Hook) more than she loved him”

Note that State police have said that Adam Lanza had “no connection” to the school, and school officials disputed an early report that his mother had worked there.“No one has heard of her,” Lillian Bittman, who served on the local school board until 2011, told The Wall Street Journal last Friday. “Teachers don’t know her.”

He did have a connection to the school. 1 thru 5 grade (part of the 5th grade as a new school opened mid term) There is a picture of him with his 2nd grade class.

Reports Nancy was friends with Mary Sherlach- but I don't know if that has been confirmed for sure.

 

[jjenny]

Not questioning Nancy's dedication to her son at all, but can we presume that all of her friends knew of her possible intentions?

I know that I don’t tell all of my friends everything …. some I tell more, some I tell less …. probably because friends don’t necessarily all react in the same way and sometimes I just don’t need the stress of dealing with a friend’s reaction as well as dealing with whatever my concern is.

Nancy already had a massive task caring for a son with issues. Don't know if she would have had the energy left to explain her possible intentions to a friend who thought that putting Adam in a care facility was out of the question. Maybe she was delaying telling this particular friend until any move that she and Adam might make was finalised?

As far as I can tell, his issues consisted of him sitting in the basement playing videogames. She could leave him for days at a time to go on mini vacation. So it sure doesn't sound to me like he needed constant care.