Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #8

[MyBelle]

I don't see anything in the article saying she was afraid to leave him home alone 8 months earlier.

He says she took her son with her to the gun range because, she said, she couldn't always leave him at home.

 

[Wendy101]

Then the last time anyone, that we know if, saw him in JUNE??? WOW!! my mind is racing....

 

[shadowraiths]

Top 10 Myths About Mass Shootings ( link )
December 18, 2012, 2:42 pm
By James Alan Fox

Even before the death toll in last Friday’s school massacre in Newtown, Conn., was determined, politicians, pundits, and professors of varied disciplines were all over the news, pushing their proposals for change. Some talked about the role of guns, others about mental-health services, and still more about the need for better security in schools and other public places. Whatever their agenda and the passion behind it, those advocates made certain explicit or implied assumptions about patterns in mass murder and the profile of the assailants. Unfortunately, those assumptions do not always align with the facts.​

James Alan Fox is the Lipman Family Professor of Criminology, Law, and Public Policy at Northeastern University and the author of Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College (Praeger, 2010).

 

[jjenny]

He says she took her son with her to the gun range because, she said, she couldn't always leave him at home.

"Always" implies sometimes she left him alone and sometimes she didn't.

 

[jjenny]

Top 10 Myths About Mass Shootings ( link )
December 18, 2012, 2:42 pm
By James Alan Fox

Even before the death toll in last Friday’s school massacre in Newtown, Conn., was determined, politicians, pundits, and professors of varied disciplines were all over the news, pushing their proposals for change. Some talked about the role of guns, others about mental-health services, and still more about the need for better security in schools and other public places. Whatever their agenda and the passion behind it, those advocates made certain explicit or implied assumptions about patterns in mass murder and the profile of the assailants. Unfortunately, those assumptions do not always align with the facts.​

James Alan Fox is the Lipman Family Professor of Criminology, Law, and Public Policy at Northeastern University and the author of Violence and Security on Campus: From Preschool Through College (Praeger, 2010).

I don't think so.

"When you look at a list of mass shootings in the last 30 years, in which a single gunman killed at least four people, this year does have the highest number of incidents with six mass shooting incidents excluding today's tragedy, according to a list compiled this year by Mother Jones. The Aurora movie theater shooting in Colorado, the Sikh shooting in Wisconsin, and the Seattle cafe shooting are among this year's massacres."
http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/mass-shootings-rise-us/story?id=17978004#.UNdDPawkS4o

 

[MyBelle]

"Always" implies sometimes she left him alone and sometimes she didn't.

a trip to the gun range wasn't an overnight trip, afaik. I'm aghast she left him alone overnight if she was also considering institutionalizing him.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

a trip to the gun range wasn't an overnight trip, afaik. I'm aghast she left him alone overnight if she was also considering institutionalizing him.

JMO

There is no evidence she was going to institutionalize him. I believe she was in deep denial over his issues, as evidenced by her presumably leaving him alone for days at a time, her teaching him to use deadly weapons, and her keeping these deadly weapons in the basement of her house.

 

[MyBelle]

There is no evidence she was going to institutionalize him. I believe she was in deep denial over his issues, as evidenced by her presumably leaving him alone for days at a time, her teaching him to use deadly weapons, and her keeping these deadly weapons in the basement of her house.

There have been various news reports that the mother was considering institutionalizing Adam and that is what triggered his murder spree.

I think it is entirely possible she taught him to use the weapons because she left him alone for days at a time and he was paranoid or suffered from extreme separation anxiety.

JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

:uthere:
Does anyone else feel like they are in the twilight zone?
The family members say one thing... the friends something else:bricks:
Nothing at all from the "husband, father", "son, brother"
Why was the killer basically, allowed to delete them from
his life and apparently his mother's. *(I know NL and RL went
to New Orleans and AL refused to go with them)
How do you take an emaciated person on vaca?
How did this emaciated person snuff out 27 lives and
WHY kill those poor innocent babies and the heroes
that died for them??????
Based on the severity of this atrocity, what reason would
ANYONE involved have to just outright lie?
Other than 15 min of fame?
Lord help me!
:ufo:

 

[shadowraiths]

A Call for More Effective Prevention of Violence ( link )
Published on 12/19/12

In Response to the Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School
Position Statement of the Interdisciplinary Group on Preventing School and Community Violence

The undersigned school violence prevention researchers and practitioners and associated organizations wish to comment on the tragic acts of violence at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which have shaken the nation, and express our deepest condolences to families and loved ones of the victims and the entire Newtown community. We all share a common priority: Keeping our children safe. We need to come together in our communities to share our grief and talk about how we can move forward in light of this tragic event. This document updates the School Shootings Position Statement that was disseminated nationally following the tragic school-related shootings of 2006.​

 

[Charlie09]

What reason did the school have to intervene in Adam's case? If a parent withdraws a child there isn't anything a school can do about it under current laws. THAT is the biggest part of our current educational system that needs to be changed. If a parent withdraws a child to homeschool, the public educational system should still follow him to determine if such a move meets his needs and welfare.

JMO

absolutely not. The school district is not a court, has no legislative or police powers (nor should they). They are responsible only for the children currently in their grasp, I mean enrolled.

I'm not sure what the answer is...but trying to make the school districts responsible is definitely not it. Government is seldom the answer to any problems.

 

[Xavier]

There is no evidence she was going to institutionalize him. I believe she was in deep denial over his issues, as evidenced by her presumably leaving him alone for days at a time, her teaching him to use deadly weapons, and her keeping these deadly weapons in the basement of her house.

Jenny according to her good friends the owners of My Place Cafe, she did tell them she was planning to possibly take AL to Washington state to a school or center, those were his words..so from that conversation posters on this thread have reason to believe that was her intention

 

[MyBelle]

absolutely not. The school district is not a court, has no legislative or police powers (nor should they). They are responsible only for the children currently in their grasp, I mean enrolled.

I'm not sure what the answer is...but trying to make the school districts responsible is definitely not it. Government is seldom the answer to any problems.

School districts are already responsible. The school district is paid for by taxpayers and children do have a legal right to a public school education while they are minors. Public schools ARE a government entity.

 

[Xavier]

Sorry you must have misunderstood my post. I realize he quit school when he was 16. What I would like to know--is this

Does anyone have a link that says they saw the killer in person in the last 2 years?


I would like to know who was the last person to see or talk to him alive. Besides NL of course.

The only thing I've read was when a former classmate(Diaz is his name) of AL's ran into Nancy around 2009-10 and when he asked her about AL, she told him AL was spending alot of time at the shooting range.

 

[Charlie09]

School districts are already responsible. The school district is paid for by taxpayers and children do have a legal right to a public school education while they are minors. Public schools ARE a government entity.

School Districts are not responsible for home schooling students, unless they are home schooled through a school district. Here's a reference http://www.hslda.org/laws/

I am disagreeing with this statement from your earlier post

If a parent withdraws a child to homeschool, the public educational system should still follow him to determine if such a move meets his needs and welfare.

This is simply not the job of a school district.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I am way behind on this thread---but where is this big 'STRIKE' map coming from? Was this AL's map? Or someone else's?

Katydid, it's from a Batman movie. I think it was from Dark Knight Rises.

 

[gngr~snap]

School Districts are not responsible for home schooling students, unless they are home schooled through a school district. Here's a reference http://www.hslda.org/laws/

I am disagreeing with this statement from your earlier post This is simply not the job of a school district.

I agree. There was nothing they could do.
The last 2 years are concerning... after he left the high school


Honestly I am more concerned about the last 6 months.
Since June...

"But it appeared none of these visits had been recent: the last time, according to the ATF, was more than six months ago."
no shooting
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...886191_1_newtown-police-state-police-firearms

"After Christmas 2010, Adam Lanza had no contact with his older brother, Ryan, who had moved away for a job in New York City, according to records and a person with knowledge of the family."
" Adam remained cloistered in the home, friends said. When she went to New Orleans for a concert with Ryan, Adam stayed behind."
refused trip RL didn;t even see him
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578193890846892734.html

Marsha Lanza said her husband saw Adam as recently as June and recalled nothing out of the ordinary about him.

Who has seen him in the past two years?
Did the sister in law, Marsha's husband stay with him
6 months ago?

"Peter and Nancy Lanza split in 2001 and in 2010, Peter started dating a new woman. The source said that's when Adam stopped speaking with his dad. The father and son hadn't seen each other since then, according to the report."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/peter-lanza-adam-lanza_n_2324979.html

The last person to see the killer other than his mother, was his uncle in June?-
6 months ago.

 

[jjenny]

School districts are already responsible. The school district is paid for by taxpayers and children do have a legal right to a public school education while they are minors. Public schools ARE a government entity.

Homeschooling is legal, so, school district isn't responsible for a home schooled student.

 

[jjenny]

Jenny according to her good friends the owners of My Place Cafe, she did tell them she was planning to possibly take AL to Washington state to a school or center, those were his words..so from that conversation posters on this thread have reason to believe that was her intention

School or center is not the same as institutionalizing him.

 

[pepperspray]

I keep thinking of the movie, "Forrest Gump" when I think of Nancy and Adam as Forrest Gump was a bit on the slow side when it came to his brain, but his Mama wanted him to be in the regular school with the regular kid's instead of the special school and Forrest turned out just fine, didn't he!!!