Connecticut school district on lockdown after shooting report at a Newtown elemen #9

[MyBelle]

He might have an IEP/MDT report for all I know. He certainly had special attention to the school.

I disagree with your reasoning because your premise appears to be that if AL had been diagnosed with AS the investigators would have their answers and wouldn't have to look any further for an explanation.

This is not valid imo because a diagnosis of AS does not explain mass murder. The majority of people diagnosed with AS never murder anyone. Asperger would be a factor in why AL was so isolated but ultimately it does not answer the question why he murdered 27 people. Whether AL was diagnosed with AS or not some other explanations, causes, triggers and factors are needed to get a full picture.

No, my premise is that if AL had been properly diagnosed years ago instead of being shuttled about to various schools and then home schooled, this disaster may have been averted. The guy was seriously mentally ill and it didn't just happen overnight.

JMO

 

[human]

http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf

THE FINAL REPORT AND
FINDINGS OF THE
SAFE SCHOOL
INITIATIVE:
IMPLICATIONS FOR
THE PREVENTION OF
SCHOOL ATTACKS IN
THE UNITED STATES
UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE AND
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

(snipped)

In June 1999, following the attack at Columbine High School, our two agencies--the
U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Department of Education--launched a collaborative
effort to begin to answer these questions. The result was the Safe School Initiative,
an extensive examination of 37 incidents of targeted school shootings and school
attacks that have occurred in the United States beginning with the earliest identified
incident in 1974 through June 2000. The focus of the Safe School Initiative was on
examining the thinking, planning, and other behaviors engaged in by students who
carried out school attacks. Particular attention was given to identifying pre-attack
behaviors and communications that might be detectable--or "knowable"--and could
help in preventing some future attacks.
read more-

This is somewhat lengthy but well worth the read. It appears that someone else usually knows the attack is going to happen.

There does not appear to be a profile except that the person has experienced a loss.

The shooting is planned out and not a snap.

Very interesting info

 

[Foxfire]

I was hoping Depue's Academy had researched school shootings:

http://www.georgian.edu/uploadedFiles/red_flags.pdf


Excerpts from, Appendix M: Red Flags, Warnings Signs and Indications, Roger Depue,
PhD. In: VA Tech, “Mass Shooting at Virginia Tech April 16, 2007: Report of the
Virginia Tech Review Panel,”
http://www.governor.gov/TempContent/tehPanelReport.cfm. retrieved on 3/3/08
Predicting violence is not an exact science. In fact, there are many who would argue that
there is no 100% reliable way of predicting any future behavior, especially one as
complex as a violent act. However, there are some red flags, warning signs and
indicators of potential violence that have been identified. A single warning sign by itself
usually does not warrant immediate response. However, the presence of several warning
signs may indicate an increased level of risk. An increased level of risk may then warrant
more immediate action.
The following are some warning signs, red flags and indicators that have been associated
with school shootings in the United States:
read more-

 

[Pensfan]

I have a friend who has gone to college for law enforcement, psychology and is
a parole officer.
He said that allot of officers relate 4 shots to mothers face as a sexual assault.
Any others weight in on this????
Just opinion of a friend

I don't see any sexual overtones with the killer obliterating Nancy's head to the point where she couldn't be identified.

Obliterating Nancy's face MIGHT have held a deeper meaning of Nancy "losing face", but I sincerely doubt it. The only meaning of this action was that the killer was filled with intense rage, IMO.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

 

[brighidin]

It's a hard article to make it through. But, gives an intense look at this event through the mother of one victim's eyes.

http://forward.com/articles/168277/noah-pozners-family-remembers-and-mourns/?p=all#ixzz2GHg1tBjJ

Thank you for posting this. A very hard read. So heartbreaking.

 

[katydid23]

A few new tidbits:

Sedensky said in his applications that the affidavits contained information "not known to the general public" and that premature disclosure would "seriously jeopardize the outcome and success of the investigation" by "divulging sensitive and confidential information" known only to investigators.

Although no arrests have been made and "none are contemplated," Sedensky also said the possibility has not been ruled out, and that releasing the information would make it difficult to solve crimes that others might have committed.

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/policereports/...#ixzz2GJJtR0NU

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[Foxfire]

I don't see any sexual overtones with the killer obliterating Nancy's head to the point where she couldn't be identified.

Obliterating Nancy's face MIGHT have held a deeper meaning of Nancy "losing face", but I sincerely doubt it. The only meaning of this action was that the killer was filled with intense rage, IMO.

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

Pensfan, as a verified psychiatric mental health nurse, I was hoping that you would share your theories and opinions as to why AL focused on NL's head and the overkill of the four shots.
With the limited amount of info released. Are you seeing anything that others may have missed. TIA..

 

[Foxfire]

Sedensky said in his applications that the affidavits contained information "not known to the general public" and that premature disclosure would "seriously jeopardize the outcome and success of the investigation" by "divulging sensitive and confidential information" known only to investigators.

Although no arrests have been made and "none are contemplated," Sedensky also said the possibility has not been ruled out, and that releasing the information would make it difficult to solve crimes that others might have committed.

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/policereports/...#ixzz2GJJtR0NU

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http://www.ctpost.com/policereports/article/Sandy-Hook-affidavits-remain-sealed-4150259.php

Sandy Hook affidavits remain sealed
John Pirro
Updated 9:03 pm, Thursday, December 27, 2012


In Newtown, some say memorials delay return to normalcy
DANBURY -- A state Superior Court judge said Thursday that search warrant affidavits for the cars and home of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter Adam Lanza and his mother would stay sealed for another 90 days.

 

[Pensfan]

I'm very curious about the author's statement that "Asperger's is nearly always first diagnosed as "childhood schizophrenia". Is this true? Can someone find a medical or scientific reference to this? TIA

That is not true. Early-onset schizophrenia or childhood schizophrenia is rare, but autism is not. In addition, children are usually diagnosed with autism at an early age. Adults are usually diagnosed with schizophrenia during or after their teen years.

 

[OneLove]

Sedensky said in his applications that the affidavits contained information "not known to the general public" and that premature disclosure would "seriously jeopardize the outcome and success of the investigation" by "divulging sensitive and confidential information" known only to investigators.

Although no arrests have been made and "none are contemplated," Sedensky also said the possibility has not been ruled out, and that releasing the information would make it difficult to solve crimes that others might have committed.

Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/policereports/...#ixzz2GJJtR0NU

:thud: :thud: :thud: :thud: :what: :what:

I wonder if the "other crimes" involve the sale of weapons?

 

[jjenny]

I wonder if the "other crimes" involve the sale of weapons?

I don't think so. Every report so far indicates weapons were legally purchased by Nancy.

 

[Pensfan]

Pensfan, as a verified psychiatric mental health nurse, I was hoping that you would share your theories and opinions as to why AL focused on NL's head and the overkill of the four shots.
With the limited amount of info released. Are you seeing anything that others may have missed. TIA..

Nope. His rage overcame any attachment that he had for his mother. He essentially depersonalized his mom by blowing off her head. Maybe he was never attached to his mom. Ugh!

(I really hope to learn that he was depressed and psychotic because this is easier to accept/less frightening than believing that someone was just evil.)

This is interesting:
http://www.tamiu.edu/~cferguson/ProfilesSS.pdf

 

[Pensfan]

I don't think so. Every report so far indicates weapons were legally purchased by Nancy.

I wonder if there were people online that encouraged this crime and this is why the search warrants remain sealed.

The monster that shot up a women's health gym in Pittsburgh was an informal member of a hate group that indirectly encouraged his violence.
(Reports also stated that this killer was also suffering from Major Depression.)

 

[Donjeta]

No, my premise is that if AL had been properly diagnosed years ago instead of being shuttled about to various schools and then home schooled, this disaster may have been averted. The guy was seriously mentally ill and it didn't just happen overnight.

JMO

Obviously he wasn't quite all right, but we are second guessing now with the benefit of hindsight. There is nothing definitive to say that the diagnoses and treatments he got, if any, weren't appropriate at the time with the information that the diagnostician had. If he had a psychotic break lately I am not certain that different educational choices when he was younger would have prevented that.

 

[momrids6]

Obviously he wasn't quite all right, but we are second guessing now with the benefit of hindsight. There is nothing definitive to say that the diagnoses and treatments he got, if any, weren't appropriate at the time with the information that the diagnostician had. If he had a psychotic break lately I am not certain that different educational choices when he was younger would have prevented that.

Agreed. And how many people with no diagnoses, no IEP, etc. commit heinous crimes every day. My disabled son has more of a need to be able to defend himself - he is statisically more likely to be a target, and to become a victim. He's not more likely to become a killer just because he is a person with a disability.

 

[michmi]

I don't think so. Every report so far indicates weapons were legally purchased by Nancy.

Who bought the body armor though?

 

[OneLove]

Nope. His rage overcame any attachment that he had for his mother. He essentially depersonalized his mom by blowing off her head. Maybe he was never attached to his mom. Ugh!

(I really hope to learn that he was depressed and psychotic because this is easier to accept/less frightening than believing that someone was just evil.)

This is interesting:
http://www.tamiu.edu/~cferguson/ProfilesSS.pdf

That IS a very interesting paper. The statistic that stands out well above any others is that 98% of perpetrators had experienced a recent loss. Ninety eight percent!!! I'm still reeling from that. I would guess that an impending loss would be as stressful and we know the Connecticut shooter was facing loss of life as he knew it if forced to leave his basement Call of Duty world. In blending what I know of the Eastern Medicine perspective, I do very strongly believe his slipping into chronic sleep deprivation, disturbed circadian rhythms, and obsessive fixation on the violent gaming played a huge role. Sleep deprivation breaks the toughest, most highly trained military and intelligence operatives, why not an already imbalanced young man? I do believe there is more psychosis happening in these circumstances than we realize. This paper points out that most kids today engage in violent gaming and yet very few become mad killers. But the circumstances of their gaming must be scrutinized to get a valid picture. There is a HUGE difference in a kid coming home from school, getting a snack and gaming an hour or two before having dinner and conversation with family, doing homework, and engaging in 'other' life situations. The balance or imbalance in the degree of gaming should be considered.

We know this rampage shooter had , up to the age of eighteen, accomplished academic achievements. He had other things going on in his life, even though he had significant difficulties. But after he studied for and took his GED at the college, do we know of anything he actually did aside from play video games in the basement? Well, other than the mentioned shooting range target practice that hasn't quite been verified yet. I believe he could well have slipped into a gaming and sleep-deprivation induced psychosis. Even his physical appearance altered so much in the past 2 years. His eyes have the same familiar vacancy as the Colorado theater shooter who gamed obsessively before his rampage. That person also had mental challenges even in his best of health but was able to function until obsessive gaming took over his life. I anticipate that gaming-induced psychosis will become more prevalent before it gets better.

By the way, when I left my third retirement to go to acupuncture and Eastern Medicine school several years back, my husband, who is 59, started playing video games to entertain himself while I studied. It was great in that he played online with our son at a distance and had friends all over the US that played too, several with their children AND grandchildren. He kept his playing time to a reasonable level and LOVED both the skill building of the game and the connection with people. And yes, it was a violent war game, ugh. Something that disturbed him very much, though, was the very young children playing totally unsupervised in the game. Their language and behavior was totally out of bounds. Often, a child would have his mother call him to come eat dinner and the nasty hateful threatening things these kids as young as 8 would say about their mothers to the grown men in the game would just disturb my husband to no end. Not to mention that these kids were exposed to complete strangers in this game doing who knows what in private communication. Seriously. A kid could, in a moment of childish anger, give a really bad person his address and tell them to come kill his mean bad mom for making him go eat dinner.

After the Connecticut shooting, on hearing that the shooter played the same game as my husband, he shut it down and hasn't played since. He has horrors remembering some of the comments from some of the younger players and wonders if he ever came into contact with this rampage shooter. Some day he might go back into the game and ask around. Many people have to know who he was in the game, especially as much as he played. My husband just couldn't deal with the guilt right now of knowing that someone with his problems should never have been left alone hours and hours and hours on end gaming in that basement with not much of anything else going on in his life.

 

[OneLove]

I wonder if there were people online that encouraged this crime and this is why the search warrants remain sealed.

The monster that shot up a women's health gym in Pittsburgh was an informal member of a hate group that indirectly encouraged his violence.
(Reports also stated that this killer was also suffering from Major Depression.)

Knowing what I know, this could be a real possibility. But in all likelihood, the "encouragement" was in jest. Extremely poor choice, yes, but lots of those comments bantered around with no one considering that a mentally unbalanced person would really do such a thing.

When my husband left his mike on, I heard plenty of generalized girlfriend, wife, and mom beotching going on among the menfolk. Thankfully, the folks my husband played with most often were not like that, but it was pretty prevalent in general.

 

[CHERIE.T]

:moo::moo::moo:

Blaming violent video games is like blaming bread:
Bread was found in the homes of every single murderer - ergo the bread must be evil.

Almost every young male is playing these types of games. But not everyone of them is violent himself. Considering how many people play these games, its a very very small percentage of those who actually engage in violent behaviour.

Of course, a child with special needs should not spend hours and hours of playing.
Of course, a child that is extremely antisocial should not spend hours of playing as well. In this case, it is a parents responsability to say stop.
The parents of any youngster, who is spending hours and hours on the computer, should check the websites, games, etc. from time to time.

But still - blaming violent video games is like blaming bread, or milk, or having framed pictures on the wall.

:moo::moo::moo:

People who play violent games don't shoot bread....they pretend to violently shoot , bloody, assault and murder HUMANS.

 

[txsvicki]

If all A did for two years was play violent shooter games and shoot for real with guns probably a few feet away, it's really easy to figure out that it all had an effect on him. Throw into that the wingnuts that play and comment inappropriately with the millions of citizens who are obsessed that the guvernment is coming for their guns and inflaming each other online. I'm suprised that there haven't been more tragedies. I'll be interested to learn if paranoia against govt. May have also entered in to his deranged thoughts.