Conrad Murray trial -Day eight.

[borndem]

That really perplexed me too, and I've been an RN for 26 years. The propofol bottle did not have a loop for hanging, so Murray cut open the saline bag, drained out the saline, put the propofol bottle in the bag and spiked the bottle through the saline port, or through the rubber stopper of the bottle itself. I know that the bottle is not vented, so am wanting to see the IV tubing again to see if there is a vent port on the tubing near or at the top of the drip chamber. This allowed Dr. Murray to deliver propofol via gravity flow! Imagine that! He gets an "A" for creativity!

Thanks, thanks, Nurse Isabelle -- You get an "A" for solving this Rube Goldberg-looking mystery for us. Yes, clever, I'll admit.

Okay....I understand it now!

 

[Thundar]

Thank you for posting this! It should stay, it is in evidence now.

The little ---- means they did not check where you see those, it was I think I was understanding.

The witness said it was easier to just put what they found in the summary instead of all the drugs tested for. The ------ means none found or too little to show in that area.

 

[Thundar]

Flumazenil:

http://www.medicinenet.com/flumazenil-injection/article.htm

ETA: There are 3 pages to the article, but it looks like that should have never been in the tubing with the propofol and lidocaine!!!

Yah, no should not have been in there if this is true, "This medication reverses the sedative effects of certain medications. It is used to counteract effects of certain anesthetics. It may also be used in the treatment of drug overdose." Kind of defeats the purpose of the propofol.

 

[peace9274]

Are they through for the day?

 

[Thundar]

Are they through for the day?

I don't think so, just afternoon break.

 

[octobermoon]

Yah, no should not have been in there if this is true, "This medication reverses the sedative effects of certain medications. It is used to counteract effects of certain anesthetics. It may also be used in the treatment of drug overdose." Kind of defeats the purpose of the propofol.

I wonder if when he found MJ he tried to revive him with that drug. Or am I misunderstanding this?

 

[Thundar]

I wonder if when he found MJ he tried to revive him with that drug. Or am I misunderstanding this?

I almost replied back to you that perhaps it was used by the EMTs but then realized no it was in the tubing that was there in the room, not in something that the EMTS used. I don't have any ideas why it would be there.

 

[tambo]

ok, propofol was found in everything.
lidocaine in everything but eye fluid b/c they did not measure in it.


Is ephedrine a methamphetamine? I know it is an upper.

ephedrine is found in alot of cold med's over the couner...it's not an illegal drug.

it is in most sinus meds too....

 

[octobermoon]

Flanagan up on cross. Grouchy as usual imo (sorry for the snark)

 

[Thundar]

Flanagan up on cross. Grouchy as usual imo (sorry for the snark)

Thank you CNN doesn't come back on unless you refresh and I was missing this.

Now I gotta go. Please keep me updated for later.

 

[octobermoon]

argh, wouldn't the blood taken in the hospital have been preserved somehow, and the blood taken at autopsy be more degraded? I hope you know what I mean.

 

[Devon]

Flumazenil:

http://www.medicinenet.com/flumazenil-injection/article.htm

ETA: There are 3 pages to the article, but it looks like that should have never been in the tubing with the propofol and lidocaine!!!

I think Murray probably tried injecting MJ with this when he finally bothered to look at his patient and saw that he was not breathing! I suspect he made a few desperate attempts to bring him back before even alerting the staff. It would explain the time delay before he ran down to the kitchen and told the chef to get help, and it would also explain why there was medical equipment (ambu bag/catheter/empty Flumazenil bottle etc) strewn all over the floor.

He was in a blind panic IMO, but he knew then that it was too late and that's when he went into his "Oh, it only just happened right in front of me, and I can feel a pulse" mode!

 

[Isabelle]

Didn't Murray take something with a stimulant in it that was put together for him by Allied Pharmacy? Did it not contain ephedrine?

 

[octobermoon]

Didn't Murray take something with a stimulant in it that was put together for him by Allied Pharmacy? Did it not contain ephedrine?

Oh, you might be right. He sure did make the pharmacist look up a bunch of information for "uppers".

 

[Isabelle]

Thanks, thanks, Nurse Isabelle -- You get an "A" for solving this Rube Goldberg-looking mystery for us. Yes, clever, I'll admit.

Okay....I understand it now!

Thanks, but a nurse anesthetist also presented this theory at Sprocket's site some time ago.

 

[Isabelle]

I think Murray probably tried injecting MJ with this when he finally bothered to look at his patient and saw that he was not breathing! I suspect he made a few desperate attempts to bring him back before even alerting the staff. It would explain the time delay before he ran down to the kitchen and told the chef to get help, and it would also explain why there was medical equipment (ambu bag/catheter/empty Flumazenil bottle etc) strewn all over the floor.

He was in a blind panic IMO, but he knew then that it was too late and that's when he went into his "Oh, it only just happened right in front of me, and I can feel a pulse" mode!

And, if Dr. Murray had that drug available, which is a reversal agent, then he was fully aware of the danger of his actions!

 

[weedemout]

wow, this judge.

 

[Soulmagent]

And, if Dr. Murray had that drug available, which is a reversal agent, then he was fully aware of the danger of his actions!

I never thought anyone questioned that he wasnt aware of the dangers. I thought we were completely floored at his choice to ignore them...

Least me anyway. I just started watching for today I had "chores" ugh.

 

[weedemout]

I don't like it when they make the witnesses say only "yes" or "no." I think you can get it wrong For example, if a woman is asked if she ever had an affair and if she is forced to say "yes" but is not allowed to elaborate, there could be many situations. It's one thing if she had this "affair" while happily married or had this "affair" while simply not divorcing her husband and staying together for 12 years for the kids and one adult is living in the front house and the other is living in the back house and they have an agreement.

Big difference if the whole story does not come out.

 

[Soulmagent]

This witness seems snippy and over the Defence's issues.