Conrad Murray trial -Day five.

[Thundar]

The lady doctor is back (the second one). The white haired defense is asking about standard dosing for different drugs. Witness keeps getting in what happens after a person builds up tolerance to a certain drug after answering what a common dose is for certain medications.

 

[Talina]

Dr. Nguyen said that while a larger dose might be required (ativan) if a patient has used it and builds up a tolerance, that while the tolerance build up requires a stronger does to get the results desired, the tolerance level of other bodily organs that will have an adverse reaction do not build up a tolerance so you have to be careful with the dosage being increased.(paraphrasing)

She has also said that ativan is not a typical drug used to treat insomnia and she'd never give it in an outpatient setting.

 

[Thundar]

LOL I know this is not comic relief at all but I am getting tickled by the testimony on the cross examination between Dr. Nguyen and Mr. Flanagan. He asks a question and she elaborates more than the exact question and it is not good in his favor at all.

I don't think anyone puts anything over on this lady. She seems like she knows her stuff.

 

[BOZGAL]

This DR is sharp and is educating this attorney.
He needs to step back and clean off his shoes.

 

[Thundar]

All of a sudden defense went from avidan to propofol in his questions. He wanted to know if there was slurred speech with propofol. Witness said yes there is until the patient is ready for a procedure.

 

[Soulmagent]

Murray looked desperate and seemed devastated.

 

[Thundar]

Defense asking about Dr. talking to Murray in the ER. Got her to say Murray was devastated.

Now asking about treatment and any pulse. Dr. Cooper told her there was no pulse. Did she tell you that she wanted to call it at the patients home. Witness found that out later.

When witness was informed of patient she thought he was relivable. But there was no pulse when she got there.

Talking about a balloon pump now. Indications for use. In this case there should not have been indications for this but Murray encouraged them to use it. Gave him the benefit of the doubt and used it.

Now defense is asking if no pulse for minutes or hours make a difference in treatment.

Paraphrased every last word.....

 

[Talina]

Wonder why Dr. Nguyen is testifying to what Dr. Murray said to Dr. Cruz. I don't see Dr. Cruz on the prosecution witness list I was looking at earlier.

 

[Soulmagent]

Hearsay isnt it? How would she know what was said between doctor cruise and dr murray.

Objection, I object. !!

 

[BOZGAL]

Keep on messing with this DR and see what happens. :shakehead:

 

[2goaliemom]

Was he giving more detail because he was confronted with evidence that Propofol was given, or was this a sudden streak of honesty?

IMO he consulted with attorneys during the two days lapse between when MJ passed and the time of Murray's statement to LE in order to create cover for the drugs he did give MJ. He had to admit to giving MJ Propofol because it would show up on the autopsy (not yet released). Here is the Texas search warrant issued for Murray's office. The Texas LE officer refers to Det. Martinez' affidavit in the CA search warrants and refers to what Murray told them during the interview. Page 3 and 4 is what Murray admitted he gave MJ on June 25th. CYA was the plan IMO.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/24/murray.search.warrant.affadavits.pdf

 

[Thundar]

Defense keeps going on and on about the treatment MJ received in the ER. This is only making their client look worse and worse for not getting MJ there earlier.

Why is defense making such a big deal about this balloon pump? It was just another tool in trying to bring life back where there was none.

 

[Soulmagent]

I really like this witness .

Except she just said a few minutes ago she was involved in the decsission to try the ballon pump. She said it was Murray and Cruise who made that call. I still like her I dont think anyone noticed but me.

 

[Bttrcookie3]

I really like this Dr. Nguyen. Just something about her. She is very sharp!

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I loved her use of the term "desired miraculous effect"! Flannagan manages to speak to her and others with a tone of voice that sounds like he is accusing them of being incompetent. Didn't work here, and hasn't worked so far with these medical professionals.

 

[Talina]

I really like this witness .

Except she just said a few minutes ago she was involved in the decsission to try the ballon pump. She said it was Murray and Cruise who made that call. I still like her I dont think anyone noticed but me.

I believe (and I think she later clarified what she meant) was that the decision was that the balloon pump was going to be the last effort and that was what the agreement was, not the decision to actually use the pump. But, instead that the pump, if unsuccessful, would be the last procedure and then time of death would be called. That was the decision agreement, IMO.

ETA: here's what I think the decision was: Dr.Cruz decided to try the pump, then said we are going to do this but does everyone here agree, including you Dr. Murray, that if this doesn't work, we call time of death. Then the collective agreement was made they all agreed.

 

[Soulmagent]

I loved her use of the term "desired miraculous effect"! Flannagan manages to speak to her and others with a tone of voice that sounds like he is accusing them of being incompetent. Didn't work here, and hasn't worked so far with these medical professionals.

I guess he hasnt defended many cases where the experts are from UCLA..

And he also doesnt seem to know how to ask questions of smart people.

He needs to ask the time limits before the drug would no longer be an option.

Beaz would have gotten that ...

 

[Thundar]

Defense asked about a dose of adivan and if it should cause distress in a patient. Now lady Dr. is giving a speech about how it's used and in what conditions. Defense just admitted they got lost in the answer.

Lady Dr. has a lift to her voice at the end of a sentence when she just can't believe what defense has asked her.

Back to orally or iv adivan use. Uses adivan for procedures and no other use.

 

[Talina]

REdirect now. I do believe the good Dr. Nguyen wore out Flanagan.

 

[Thundar]

After witness explained why propofol and avidan is used and how.
Witness, that's why there is always a crash cart. Prosecutor just asked what's on a crash cart.

Pointing out again what was missing from those pictures of MJs bedroom hospital.