Conrad Murray trial -Day five.

[Talina]

Oh...bad for Dr. Murray. On redirect Dr. Nguyen states profofol is not only used just in hospital setting but not in a normal room but always in either ICU or procedural room and always with an anesthesiologist and crash cart. She testified that a person can have a dangerous threshold to where the lungs quit workin properly (my words) even before the desired sedation effect of the profofol happens. So it is very important to have an anesthesiologist do be able to properly handle a bad situation. (mostly paraphrasing here but very bad testimony for Dr. Murray IMO)

 

[CarolinaMoon]

She is now pointing out all the situations Dr. Murray, with his Mickey Mouse set-up never considered. Dr. Nguyen sounds a bit angry that a fellow cardiologist let his patient down.

 

[Thundar]

Defense is redirecting about propofol now. Asked witness if she had ever used propofol on her own, she said no.

They just don't know when to quit.

 

[Talina]

Flanagan is back to conscious sedation. I agree with Dr. Cooper..that's an oxymoron.

 

[2goaliemom]

Flanagan's not doing himself any favors. He's not making any points and he seems like he's harrassing this witness--sit down and shut up!

 

[Thundar]

CNN just went to an empty courtroom. what's up with that?

 

[Talina]

Flanagan best be careful the way he keeps pushing this "conscious sedation". By what I am reading on the below link, his client followed nothing of the precautions that is listed.

http://www.aana.com/ForPatients.aspx?id=298

Questions to Ask About Conscious Sedation
The following is a list of questions patients should ask prior to the surgical or diagnostic procedure:

Will a trained and skilled provider be dedicated to monitoring me during conscious sedation?
Will my provider monitor my breathing, heart rate and blood pressure?
Will oxygen be available and will the oxygen content of my blood be monitored?
Are personnel trained to perform advanced cardiac life support?
Is emergency resuscitation equipment available on-site and immediately accessible in the event of an emergency?
Will a trained and skilled provider stay with me during my recovery period and for how long?
Should a friend or family member take me home?

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Flanagan is back to conscious sedation. I agree with Dr. Cooper..that's an oxymoron.

I've had eye surgery with conscious sedation. I was rendered unconscious with propofol (Sp?) while they used novicane to numb the area to be operated on. Then, when I woke up, I was feeling no pain in the area being operated on, but I could feel and talk to the doctor. I had enough sedative in my body to keep me VERY relaxed, but alert enough to warn the surgeon when I might sneeze.

 

[Talina]

Flanagan asking her if she is aware dentists use profofol. She says no, she is not aware of that. He presses that giving the impression this is common practice for dentists to use. I just looked up and this is what I found (Flanagan best tread lightly here, I'm thinking):

http://dentistry.about.com/b/2009/0...al-surgeons-position-on-diprivan-propofol.htm

According to their website, the American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons (AAOMS) and its 8,500 fellows and members who are licensed to practice oral and maxillofacial surgery in the United States, support the position of the American Society of Anesthesiologists, which states that:

“. . . Diprivan, or its generic name propofol, is a drug meant only for use in a medical setting by professionals trained in the provision of general anesthesia. Though the drug is often used for procedures requiring sedation, patients can have extremely variable responses to the drug and some patients can become completely anesthetized, including losing the ability to breathe. Diprivan should never be used outside of a controlled and monitored medical setting."

 

[Thundar]

On CNN one must need to refreash the entire page every once in a while.

I missed the end of defense's recross. Anything good I missed.

 

[Talina]

I've had eye surgery with conscious sedation. I was rendered unconscious with propofol (Sp?) while they used novicane to numb the area to be operated on. Then, when I woke up, I was feeling no pain in the area being operated on, but I could feel and talk to the doctor. I had enough sedative in my body to keep me VERY relaxed, but alert enough to warn the surgeon when I might sneeze.

Yes, I agree that is a medical term. I just agree with what Dr. Murray said when she was asked about that term. Conscious Sedation is a contradiction.

 

[Thundar]

How does this Dr. from Texas fit into anything. There was one phone call she made to Murray at 10:20 was that on the 25th?

 

[Thundar]

15 or 20 minute break.

 

[Talina]

How does this Dr. from Texas fit into anything. There was one phone call she made to Murray at 10:20 was that on the 25th?

Yes, it was on the 25th but I'm with you on not understanding what relevance her testimony was for in this trial, unless it was just to show that he was handling other things on the phone instead of tending to MJ when he was sedating him.

 

[borndem]

I don't think anyone puts anything over on this lady. She seems like she knows her stuff.

Yes -- she doesn't miss a trick, either -- [this may be a kind of snotty thing to say, but...] If she had been MJ's physician, MJ would probably be watching the videos of his tour & counting his money today... bless his heart. Oh, what a criminal, IMO, that Murray is! Michael struggling to breathe for his life while his doc was on the phone probably wheeling & dealing and wooing his women... (again, JMO)

OT - kinda -- I do think MJ was frail & would probably have had problems in completing his tour on time. "Movie Stars" are historically & notoriously bossy when it comes to wanting to be medicated "their way," but I still think a different MD might have taken better care of him.. I could certainly be mistaken, but, sadly, we'll never know. He just seemed like such an innocent to me...

 

[borndem]

This DR is sharp and is educating this attorney.
He needs to step back and clean off his shoes.

You said it, BOZGAL!

I'm beginning to think he likes being under that bus....

 

[Thundar]

We're back. Antoinette Gill on the stand.

 

[Talina]

Recess is over. Next witness up Antoinette Gill.

 

[Thundar]

A patient of Murray. Received a letter in mid June. Dear Patients & Friends. Letter about Murray's sabbatical.

Called Murray about the letter. Called his cell phone and had a conversation with him. Short time or long time. Short time, doesn't remember the conversation.

 

[Thundar]

That's it, no cross from defense.....must have been another phone call on the 25th.