Conrad Murray trial -Day five.

[Isabelle]

Met Dr. Murray in 2003 in Las Vegas. In June 2009 he told her he was MJ's personal physician. She called him at 11:26am on June 25. She did not speak with him when she called. He did not answer his phone. Very short cross. Witness excused. I'm not sure what the purpose of her testimony is....

Shows he violated HIPAA by blabbing the name of his patient. Low ethics!

 

[Crosby87]

How does this Dr. from Texas fit into anything. There was one phone call she made to Murray at 10:20 was that on the 25th?

To show Dr. Murray had earned the respect of the doctors who consulted with him about a patient's care.

 

[Isabelle]

Methinks Mr. Flanagan isn't all that much of a propofol defense expert. Wonder if Conrad can go after him for misrepresenting himself if he loses this case?

 

[Isabelle]

I am Soooooo looking forward to the expert witnesses.

 

[Talina]

To show Dr. Murray had earned the respect of the doctors who consulted with him about a patient's care.

I would agree if that was a defense witness, but she was a prosecution witness.

 

[borndem]

Flanagan best be careful the way he keeps pushing this "conscious sedation". By what I am reading on the below link, his client followed nothing of the precautions that is listed.

http://www.aana.com/ForPatients.aspx?id=298

Questions to Ask About Conscious Sedation
The following is a list of questions patients should ask prior to the surgical or diagnostic procedure:

Will a trained and skilled provider be dedicated to monitoring me during conscious sedation?
Will my provider monitor my breathing, heart rate and blood pressure?
Will oxygen be available and will the oxygen content of my blood be monitored?
Are personnel trained to perform advanced cardiac life support?
Is emergency resuscitation equipment available on-site and immediately accessible in the event of an emergency?
Will a trained and skilled provider stay with me during my recovery period and for how long?
Should a friend or family member take me home?

Well, duh, Dr. Murray....:doh:

 

[borndem]

Originally Posted by Thundar [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7183647#post7183647"]

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How does this Dr. from Texas fit into anything. There was one phone call she made to Murray at 10:20 was that on the 25th?

Talina[/b];7183653]Yes, it was on the 25th but I'm with you on not understanding what relevance her testimony was for in this trial, unless it was just to show that he was handling other things on the phone instead of tending to MJ when he was sedating him.

Well, guyz -- brace yourselves for the BIG & Gigantic reason this witness was up there:

She called DrM to ask about a patient whom he had treated several months back -- pt. was taking a drug that he was supposed to stay on for six months. Pt. had been on it only 4 mos so far. This doc/witness wanted to perform a procedure that would require pt. getting off the drug. She called DrM & asked if pt. could stop taking it early. He remembered the pt. right off the bat -- no "I'm not sure, I'll have to check his file & I'll call you back," etc., etc., -- and told the witness/doctor that the pt. must stay on the drug for the remaining months.

Witness was [drumroll, puh-leeze] impressed with his recall of the patient !!!!!!!!!!

Wowie-Zowie, sports fans.


Thus spake Zarathustra & all that....

 

[Isabelle]

Conscious sedation does sound like an oxymoron, but it is a type of sedation that allows the patient to follow commands, although not as quickly or efficiently as they would without the sedation. It is only used for certain minor procedures. Even with conscious sedation there is a possibility that a person will become more deeply sedated than originally desired, thus it is necessary that personnel with appropriate training be with the patient at all times for monitoring and rescue if needed.

 

[borndem]

I'm reading on TMZ that this last witness Bridgette Morgan is an exgirlfriend of Dr. Murray. I guess they did not let the prosecution go into that type of testimony.

I read earlier that the Judge was not going to allow any "girlfriend references" during the trial.

 

[borndem]

I am Soooooo looking forward to the expert witnesses.

Yes, Isabelle, I'm lickin' my chops, too. The M.E.'s report should tear him a new one, and it will be such a sad thing for us to hear (seriously).

Oooooohhh, can't wait. If they call an anesthesiologist,too, there won't be a bus big enuff for all of them to crawl under....

 

[Crosby87]

Defense just asked about the condom catheter and if there was any urine visable. Witness said no urine. Then asked if they would have taken the urine for testing. Witness said yes.

Defense is finally done for now.

MJ's autopsy report states MJ called Dr. Murray at 1 am on June 25, 2009; so if MJ died after 11 am, he didn't urinate for approximately 10 hours.

In most deaths if the body has any urine in their bladder, it will drain from the body shortly after the person passes and the doctor said there was none present in the condom catheter attached to MJ.

In general, the average adult bladder can hold about 16 ounces or 2 cups of liquid at maximum. Typically, you feel the need to pee when your bladders fills to about 8 ounces.

 

[Thundar]

MJ's autopsy report states MJ called Dr. Murray at 1 am on June 25, 2009; so if MJ died after 11 am, he didn't urinate for approximately 10 hours.

In most deaths if the body has any urine in their bladder, it will drain from the body shortly after the person passes and the doctor said there was none present in the condom catheter attached to MJ.

In general, the average adult bladder can hold about 16 ounces or 2 cups of liquid at maximum. Typically, you feel the need to pee when your bladders fills to about 8 ounces.

Did anyone mention the bag that I would imagine was attached to the catheter at some point? Perhaps the bag was unattached and just the catheter made the trip to the ER. Was that one of the things the doctor was cleaning up at the scene? That way there would be no urine to test.

 

[Crosby87]

Did anyone mention the bag that I would imagine was attached to the catheter at some point? Perhaps the bag was unattached and just the catheter made the trip to the ER. Was that one of the things the doctor was cleaning up at the scene? That way there would be no urine to test.

IMO if the bag had been left at the house the doctor would have stated this was why his urine couldn't be tested and because she didn't, it doesn't sound like the bag was purposely removed and hidden.

So it seems like the reason his urine wasn’t tested was because there wasn’t any excreted from his body prior to or after his death; not a drop, which seems odd because MJ had been rehearsing for hours and because he would have perspired profusely, his body would have craved fluids after he stopped dancing.

 

[Talina]

Originally Posted by Thundar
How does this Dr. from Texas fit into anything. There was one phone call she made to Murray at 10:20 was that on the 25th?



Well, guyz -- brace yourselves for the BIG & Gigantic reason this witness was up there:

She called DrM to ask about a patient whom he had treated several months back -- pt. was taking a drug that he was supposed to stay on for six months. Pt. had been on it only 4 mos so far. This doc/witness wanted to perform a procedure that would require pt. getting off the drug. She called DrM & asked if pt. could stop taking it early. He remembered the pt. right off the bat -- no "I'm not sure, I'll have to check his file & I'll call you back," etc., etc., -- and told the witness/doctor that the pt. must stay on the drug for the remaining months.

Witness was [drumroll, puh-leeze] impressed with his recall of the patient !!!!!!!!!!

Wowie-Zowie, sports fans.


Thus spake Zarathustra & all that....

That still does not make sense, to me, as to why the prosecution would call this witness. Why would they want to bolster anything about another physician being impressed? The prosecution is not who solicited that testimony, the defense is so I am again back to my original question.What did this witness offer as a prosecution witness?

 

[Crosby87]

That still does not make sense, to me, as to why the prosecution would call this witness. Why would they want to bolster anything about another physician being impressed? The prosecution is not who solicited that testimony, the defense is so I am again back to my original question.What did this witness offer as a prosecution witness?

This article published by CNN contains alot of good information.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/justice/california-conrad-murray-trial/

<snipped>

A Houston, Texas, doctor called by the prosecution Monday paid Dr. Murray a compliment Monday afternoon, saying she was "impressed" with Murray's ability to remember a patient and that patient's treatment when she called him "out of the blue."

Dr. Joanne Bednarz-Prashad's testimony was important for the prosecution because she is one of the several people who spoke to Dr. Murray on the phone the morning Jackson died. Prosecutors say he effectively abandoned Jackson by leaving his bedroom to talk on the phone that morning.

Dr. Bednarz-Prashad called Murray's cell phone to get his advice on a patient he had treated who was about to undergo surgery at a Houston hospital. Most doctors she calls in such circumstances have to call back after consulting medical charts, she said, but Murray recalled the correct information immediately.

 

[Crosby87]

How long had Dr. Murray worked for MJ before he died and how many times did
Dr. Murray gave Michael Propofol? TIA

 

[Devon]

That still does not make sense, to me, as to why the prosecution would call this witness. Why would they want to bolster anything about another physician being impressed? The prosecution is not who solicited that testimony, the defense is so I am again back to my original question.What did this witness offer as a prosecution witness?

It was actually the prosecution who got this witness to recount how Dr Murray instantly remembered his patient and his condition/treatment and could answer questions without any referral to notes - and how impressed the witness was by this.

It took me a while to understand why the prosecution would have yet another witness praise Murray, but I think the point they were trying to make is that he had instant recall of the medical information for a patient he hadn't seen for some time, and yet apparently couldn't remember any times/details for a patient he'd been treating just that morning! :waitasec:

If that was indeed the point they wanted to make then I hope they reinforce it with further testimony or in their closing because it wasn't at all clear IMO and the jury may not have got it.

 

[Shelby1]

Met Dr. Murray in 2003 in Las Vegas. In June 2009 he told her he was MJ's personal physician. She called him at 11:26am on June 25. She did not speak with him when she called. He did not answer his phone. Very short cross. Witness excused. I'm not sure what the purpose of her testimony is....

Maybe it was to prove he was on his other phone?

 

[Crosby87]

Maybe it was to prove he was on his other phone?

This article explains why the prosecution called Dr. Bednarz-Prashad and
Dr. Murray's girlfriends to testify.

<snipped>

A Houston, Texas, doctor called by the prosecution Monday paid Dr. Murray a compliment Monday afternoon, saying she was "impressed" with Murray's ability to remember a patient and that patient's treatment when she called him "out of the blue."

Dr. Joanne Bednarz-Prashad's testimony was important for the prosecution because she is one of the several people who spoke to Dr. Murray on the phone the morning Jackson died. Prosecutors say he effectively abandoned Jackson by leaving his bedroom to talk on the phone that morning.

Dr. Bednarz-Prashad called Murray's cell phone to get his advice on a patient he had treated who was about to undergo surgery at a Houston hospital. Most doctors she calls in such circumstances have to call back after consulting medical charts, she said, but Murray recalled the correct information immediately.

Prosecutors also called the first of three of Murray's girlfriends to the witness stand to talk about their conversations with the doctor just before he realized Jackson had stopped breathing

The judge prevented the prosecution from digging into the personal relationship between Murray and Bridgette Morgan, who previously testified at Murray's preliminary hearing about meeting the married doctor in a Las Vegas night club in 2003.

Morgan's call to Murray came about 30 minutes before Murray apparently discovered there was a problem with his patient.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/justice/california-conrad-murray-trial/




http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/03/justice/california-conrad-murray-trial/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It was actually the prosecution who got this witness to recount how Dr Murray instantly remembered his patient and his condition/treatment and could answer questions without any referral to notes - and how impressed the witness was by this.

It took me a while to understand why the prosecution would have yet another witness praise Murray, but I think the point they were trying to make is that he had instant recall of the medical information for a patient he hadn't seen for some time, and yet apparently couldn't remember any times/details for a patient he'd been treating just that morning! :waitasec:

If that was indeed the point they wanted to make then I hope they reinforce it with further testimony or in their closing because it wasn't at all clear IMO and the jury may not have got it.

The prosecutors are so smart and savvy. They are bringing in how attentive Murray was to his OTHER patients. It shows just how uncaring he was in caring for his one and only patient, MJ.

The very one that was pocketing him more money a month than he had ever made.

IMO