Conrad Murray trial -Day four.

[Isabelle]

Whether MJ was in PEA is not a good question for the DT to be asking the witness. Absence of PEA is definitely dead with no other electrical activity. PEA does not produce a pulse aka Pulseless Electrical Activity.

 

[Soulmagent]

Rochelle cooper.

Wow after seeing everyone else so put together during this trial. She looks kinda unkept. I mean William's hair was so perfect it looked painted on ,hers barely looks brushed.

But she looks like Sarah Jessica Parker.

 

[Soulmagent]

Conrad told Dr Cooper that he saw Micheals arrest the term in that setting meant Murray witnessed when Micheal heart stop beating.

 

[Soulmagent]

Dr Murry mentions valium and flowmax as MJ's regular taken medications.

Dr Murray said no to drug use for Micheal ,No to medical problem .

Is not being able to sleep a medical problem?

 

[Shelby1]

Rochelle cooper.

Wow after seeing everyone else so put together during this trial. She looks kinda unkept. I mean William's hair was so perfect it looked painted on ,hers barely looks brushed.

But she looks like Sarah Jessica Parker.

LOL I said the same thing about SJP!

Maybe she just got off a long shift...

 

[Soulmagent]

LOL I said the same thing about SJP!

Maybe she just got off a long shift...

She did know this trial was on TV worldwide didnt she?

 

[Crosby87]

Is that a baby doll laying on the bed in that picture? It sure looked like one.

Yes, it looked like a raggedy anne doll to me.

 

[Soulmagent]

See I keep wondering if Blanket was in the room with Micheal . I think that might be why Conrad called for Prince. I doubt we will hear of that. I am starting to wonder if conrad is the agreed on fall guy.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Whether MJ was in PEA is not a good question for the DT to be asking the witness. Absence of PEA is definitely dead with no other electrical activity. PEA does not produce a pulse aka Pulseless Electrical Activity.

I'm coming in late - was Michael asystole the entire time from the point EMS were on the scene?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

:twocents: Dr. Cooper seems to have a beautiful mind, which makes her beautiful to me.

 

[Crosby87]

I'm coming in late - was Michael asystole the entire time from the point EMS were on the scene?

Yes he was.

 

[~n/t~]

I'm still up here. :fence:

I like that new defense attorney. A lot more pleasant to listen to and not as confrontational with the witnesses.

I think today's testimony was a draw. It shows Dr. Murray as a liar but also very much wanting to do whatever he could to help Michael. I'm still unclear as to his motive to "hide" evidence. I don't think he was deliberately doing so to save himself. I think he was trying to protect Michael from scandal. It's unbelievable how much allegiance his people had and I have no doubt there was a lot of covering up not only by Dr. Murray, imo.

I did notice the prosecution refer to Michael's condition as "in distress". Why would she use that term if the testimony from prosecution witnesses indicate he was dead? :waitasec:

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I have a question that I wonder was brought up today:

With a doctor on the scene, when the EMS arrives is it assumed the doctor is the top medical personnel in charge? Do the EMS defer to Dr. Murray's lead? Who was running the emergency call?

 

[~n/t~]

I have a question that I wonder was brought up today:

With a doctor on the scene, when the EMS arrives is it assumed the doctor is the top medical personnel in charge? Do the EMS defer to Dr. Murray's lead? Who was running the emergency call?

From what I understood, yes and protocol to have him in the ambulance with the patient. What I wonder is why didn't medical personnel from the hospital talk to Dr. Murray? Also, a nurse was relaying the information to the doctor. The female doctor said she didn't know the patient was MJ when the nurse was relaying this information to her. I don't believe that. No way.

 

[Soulmagent]

Maybe it is Micheal's children everyone is protecting.

Why did he call for prince? Was prince in charge of everything when Micheal was "sleeping" ? He was 12 at the time.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

See I keep wondering if Blanket was in the room with Micheal . I think that might be why Conrad called for Prince. I doubt we will hear of that. I am starting to wonder if conrad is the agreed on fall guy.

BBM

Why do you think that? Just curious about your theory. (I know very little about this case, I've just seen some of the trial testimony.)

Do you mean the fall guy for other doctors involved in prescribing him drugs, or someone wanting MJ dead and Dr. Murray was somehow set up to be the fall guy?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I'm still up here. :fence:

I like that new defense attorney. A lot more pleasant to listen to and not as confrontational with the witnesses.

I think today's testimony was a draw. It shows Dr. Murray as a liar but also very much wanting to do whatever he could to help Michael. I'm still unclear as to his motive to "hide" evidence. I don't think he was deliberately doing so to save himself. I think he was trying to protect Michael from scandal. It's unbelievable how much allegiance his people had and I have no doubt there was a lot of covering up not only by Dr. Murray, imo.

I did notice the prosecution refer to Michael's condition as "in distress". Why would she use that term if the testimony from prosecution witnesses indicate he was dead? :waitasec:

Have you seen this?

[Assessment of the addictive risk of propofol].
[Article in German]
Bonnet U.
Source
Klinik für Psychiatrie und Psychotherapie & Klinik für abhängiges Verhalten und Suchtmedizin, LVR-Klinikum Essen, Universität Duisburg/Essen.
Abstract
In a survey of American and German medical personnel, the injectable hypnotic propofol was identified as one of the most frequently abused anaesthetics. With the help of MEDLINE, EMBASE, Scopus, Cochrane and internet search, data were sought that permit an assessment of propofol's risk of addiction. The clinical evaluation for hypnotics can usually be made with the scale of Griffith and Johnson. Thereafter, the relative risk of addiction (dependence potential/toxicity) of propofol is rather moderate if compared to phenobarbital. Its addictive potential is somewhat lower than that of lorazepam and cannabis (non-hypnotic reference) approximately in the range of that of triazolam or zopiclon. The few published clinical case reports (n = 8) are mainly from Germany and describe distinct psychological (craving, loss of control, focusing of behaviour on the use and procurement of the substance) and low levels of physical features of addiction (withdrawal symptoms, tolerance). On average, in the case reports 4.25 of 6 criteria of dependence (ICD-10) were met. The consumption of propofol is mainly limited to medical or medical-related occupations. Propofol has yet not arrived on the local black markets. An oral consumption appears not to occur or to be unattractive. The incentive of propofol's "high" (euphoria/relaxation) via the intravenous route is probably underestimated. This is supported by a high mortality rate (46.2 %) in the 78 reports on the consumption of propofol up to date. Forensic analyses consider mainly accidental respiratory arrests to be responsible for the deaths. In summary, propofol is considered to be a primary mental addictive substance that is characteristically intravenously consumed by persons within the medical profession. Because of its apparently narrow safety margin between pleasure and death, propofol is an extraordinary hazard which, unfortunately, is only reflected insufficiently in the scale of Griffith and Johnson.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21809257

Or this?

Propofol is so potent that a tiny amount -- 20 milligrams -- can be the difference between rest and death. "It enters your bloodstream fast, and even highly trained anesthesiologists can't control it, and die. They don't even have seconds to pull out the needle," said Art Zwerling, a registered nurse anesthetist and counselor with the Association of Nurse Anesthetists, a 39,000-member group.
...
Clarence Ward, a California anesthesiologist, wrote in a 2008 article in the California Society of Anesthesiologists bulletin, that too many doctors don't acknowledge abuse. In an interview, he said people die "not necessarily from intent, but from an inability to control a drug that causes abrupt loss of consciousness."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124951605785809351.html

He was in CYA mode. MOO.

 

[~n/t~]

Maybe it is Micheal's children everyone is protecting.

Why did he call for prince? Was prince in charge of everything when Micheal was "sleeping" ? He was 12 at the time.

Good point. These children may have witnessed more than any child should, imo. We don't hear much about Blanket. He may be the naive one who may spill the beans?? He was 7 when Michael died. Just a thought.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Dr Murry mentions valium and flowmax as MJ's regular taken medications.

Dr Murray said no to drug use for Micheal ,No to medical problem .

Is not being able to sleep a medical problem?

I heard a clip of one of the (?)EMS saying Dr. Murray had told him he was treating MJ for exhaustion and dehydration.

Insomnia is a symptom of a possible medical problem. What was causing MJ's insomnia to the point a doctor would use so many dangerous sedatives?

 

[~n/t~]

Have you seen this?

Yes thank you. I read all about propofol. More than I ever wanted to. Dr. Murray was Michael's puppet just like all the others on his staff. All were programmed to do as Michael wanted. Big costly deadly mistake for Dr. Murray and it looks really bad but it ain't over yet.