GUILTY Conrad Murray Trial - Verdict Watch

[borndem]

This film has been called a documentary.
There is a documentary film crew working with CM,
has been when he wasn't in court and will be with him,
after the verdict is read.

From what I know about documentary filmmakers...
there's usually an issue or incident that's very important and sometimes very dear to them. It means so much to them and they're so affected, that they want to make a statement to the world about it. And so they study it, write about it and put it on film... to show the world.

I'm just not getting it... what statement this documentary film, about and with CM, is supposed to say. What point are the filmmakers wanting to make?

I could see CM doing a TV interview and people watching... for free.

But I can not see a lot of people paying $10 to see a 90 minute film about and starring Conrad Murray... and with what message?

Well, there was a crowd of 'em on the streets around the courthouse, and then there's his little band at Acres retirement community -- you know, the ones with all those stents??? They would probably give up paying part of their water bill to pay to see him if their income was that limited.

(And maybe he was a good guy then, but I just don't think so. I still say IMO he placed more than he needed to place, but whatevah!)


:waitasec:

 

[octobermoon]

Well, there was a crowd of 'em on the streets around the courthouse, and then there's his little band at Acres retirement community -- you know, the ones with all those stents??? They would probably give up paying part of their water bill to pay to see him if their income was that limited.

(And maybe he was a good guy then, but I just don't think so. I still say IMO he placed more than he needed to place, but whatevah!)


:waitasec:

I sure hope they are looking at him placing too many stents. Sounded excessive to me. Who knows how much or if he was bilking these patients. IMO

 

[borndem]

Actually DH said something that didn't sound like a grunt He hasn't followed the case as closely as I have, but no doubt has been listening to HLN in the background. He said that since Michael Jackson asked for the drug, it's not the good doctors fault that he died from it. Kinda like John Belushi and Cathy Smith type of scenario (I had to remind him that Cathy Smith did in fact go to jail).

In short, MJ wouldn't be dead if he didn't beg for the propofol, and therefore, the doctor is innocent.

:waitasec:

Mel

Almost the same thing as someone asking his dealer for one more vial of crack -- he sells it, the guy pays, and he OD's and dies. It's not the same, since what they were doing is illegal and the dealer is not a Medical Doctor, but the LEO's go after the dealer nevertheless ....

But what was forgotten in the CM scenario is the doctor's responsibility to do what he/she can to help the victim & not let him die. As an MD, CM had that responsibility that the drug dealer did not, if I understood that part of the law. Ergo, the guilt, seems to me.

Yet another head-scratcher...:waitasec:

 

[borndem]

My hubby said the opposite. He said they WILL find this doctor guilty. He said it doesn't matter if the patient begged or didn't beg......it was the doctor who was to say 'no.'

He also doesn't believe MJ begged Murray for anything or injected himself. He thinks Murray is a big liar trying to cover his own a** since he knew from minute one he had killed MJ.

He said the consciousness of guilt in this case is overwhelming.

Yes, poor hubby, he has had to come in and listen to it after he gets in from work each day and this week he was off on vacation the entire week.:floorlaugh:

Yeah, poor guy, huh?! He's got YOU, blue!!! And for that..... all the stars in heaven he needs to be thanking, right???!!! Battered ribs & spleen & all!

 

[borndem]

Good morning.

Looking at IMDb it appears this documentary will be produced in the UK. Wonder if he got an advance on it and has the monies in an offshore account? I have no doubt he has more recordings like the one presented in court that he recorded too. I wonder if MJ had threatened to fire him and he did that for "insurance" or worse, possibly blackmail? Whatever reason he made those tapes was not good IMO.

Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010)

Production Notes from IMDbPro
Status: Unknown |
Updated: 15 February 2011

Storyline
A documentary on the doctor who was placed under investigation in the wake of Michael Jackson's death.

Details
Country:
UK
Language:
English
Filming Locations:
Houston, Texas, USA See more »

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/

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This is THE big break his baby mama and her instrument have been waiting for, folks!! Ahhhh, The Big Time. Hollywood is right around the corner!!

Swimming pools, movie stars!!!!!!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yeah, poor guy, huh?! He's got YOU, blue!!! And for that..... all the stars in heaven he needs to be thanking, right???!!! Battered ribs & spleen & all!

Aww...you are a sweetie pie!

Have you been talking to my adorable hubby?

Oh gosh if I could only be half as good as that man thinks I am!:floorlaugh:

You should hear our children. hee hee They think we wont ever grow up and they are right! Still a huggin and smooching.:great: They just shake their heads but they ain't foolin us..........they like it that we are so close.:crazy:

How are your ribs? I certainly hope they are much much better.

I am on the mend I believe. The meds really seem to be helping.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert! Alert!

This is THE big break his baby mama and her instrument have been waiting for, folks!! Ahhhh, The Big Time. Hollywood is right around the corner!!

Swimming pools, movie stars!!!!!!!

Time to fine tune the 'instrument.':rocker::floorlaugh:

 

[borndem]

If Dr. Murray had followed protocol; MJ would not have been able to inject it (not that I believe that for 1 second). He abandoned his only patient.

It also does not make sense that MJ only had 50mgs of propofol (25 by Murray and even if 25 by himself) the blood levels indicate 40x more so if the jury uses common sense based on the science they will understand it had to be a drip and CM got rid of the tubing.

As much as I believe Fleak made a huge error in not photographing that bottle in the bag; I sure do not believe there was any conspiracy between she and AA. Again if common sense is applied, I can understand why AA did not mention it during his brief conversation with LE on the day MJ died. He probably thought nothing of it and as he said it wasn't until he watched CNN that he realized it had any significance and I really do believe that.

In addition to that AA could have collected $500,000 for his story and he did not sell it although seems to me he could have used that money. For Chernoff to imply that he testified to sell his story was ludicrous. Any money he would have received would have been BEFORE the trial. There is NO story to tell since he told it in his testimony.

Yes, yes, yes. You can take what you said to the bank! Period. End of discussion.

And what could AA have possibly known of how that IV bag, etc., was supposed to be set up? I wonder if he had ever even been in that bedroom before that day. How could he know that the rigged-up vial-in-the-bag was unusual? And he was in a bit of a state when he saw it to start with. And he was most likely served a subpoena to testify so that he could break the confidentiality under which he had probably signed. Grrrrr. I thought he was honest sincere, and completely believable.

 

[borndem]

Bet any money that Conrad has more audio recordings of Michael and pics that he is selling! Animal!

:snake:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, yes, yes. You can take what you said to the bank! Period. End of discussion.

And what could AA have possibly known of how that IV bag, etc., was supposed to be set up? I wonder if he had ever even been in that bedroom before that day. How could he know that the rigged-up vial-in-the-bag was unusual? And he was in a bit of a state when he saw it to start with. And he was most likely served a subpoena to testify so that he could break the confidentiality under which he had probably signed. Grrrrr. I thought he was honest sincere, and completely believable.

I sure hope none of the jurors falls for that bs about AA.

He was even afraid to go into the home without permission. Of course he had never seen what went on in that bedroom before.

I found him very very believable. How would he know about a slit saline bag. The SWs weren't even released until many months after he gave his statement.

And he did try to contact LE the first of July.

IMO

 

[octobermoon]

Time to fine tune the 'instrument.':rocker::floorlaugh:

This is not funny. But true. I just realized cm wanted to be MJ. just damn


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ETA I posted this because of Nicole A. and her instrument, but really hit me how cm wanted this life.

 

[borndem]

I agree SATA, and speaking of itching, I can't stand looking at him constantly scratching his head whenever he's on camera. Ick!




So, the British are making a documentary about Conrad Murray? This reminds me of the French documentary team that followed Michael Peterson during his murder trial a few years back. You can still occasionally catch "The Staircase" on the Sundance Channel. While it's clearly done from the viewpoint of the defense, you still get a real insight into the prosecution as well. I only hope the verdict is the same in Murray's case as it was in Peterson's.

O'/T:
The Peterson case occurred about 35 miles from where we live. Very strange dude, Mr. Peterson. Just plain creepy. His wife was, from all reports I heard, a very fine woman. And there was a former Mrs. Peterson. And another staircase...

ETA: I've never seen the "documentary" about it, but watching what I can now. Good, but odd, diversion from waiting for a verdict in this case...

"The blow-poke case," it was called. The trial was not on local TV, but it was quite well-covered in this area, of course. Yeah, he was a weird one, sexual orientation notwithstanding. Also daughter vs. daughter as to his guilt. He continues to appeal, to no avail.

What I remember best was the picture of the staircase with blood splattered all the way down it -- from the top to the bottom. IMO, a fall down the stairs would not produce that much blood, especially "before" she hit the first stair.

He first claimed an owl did it....

For those curious:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/1087115/

It's also on WebSleuths. Back in 2003.

End of O/T

 

[borndem]

Southern homemade pecan pie? Yummy! I will get right on it.

imo

I've got a good Cajun Pee-can Pie recipe --

I say pee-can, accent on the pee syllable. And I say "ant" for aunt also, but I don't say "ain't" like Ain't Bee when Andy or Opie says it. And I don't say ahhnt. Potayto, Potahto. Ain't no thang.

In the midst of strangers (eek) I might say, "puh-cahn" accent on the cahn, but that ain't reeely mee.

 

[peace9274]

WOW... I was just reading on another thread that Oklahoma had a 5.6 earthquake about a half hour ago.
One of our WS members in OKLA had just started the thread & posted the only info she had.. that her couch
shook & she was pretty sure it was an earthquake.... but that it had not yet hit the news media nor the internet
to get more info.

Then, within seconds, according to the poster, the news media began reporting it. At the same time, several other
WSers in OK & surrounding states began posting that they felt it also. It's reported that it's the biggest in OKLA's history.

Apparently, here were several smaller ones reported earlier in the day, in OK also.

Prayers & hugs for all our (((WS members))) and (((WS guests))) that felt the quake.
I'm hoping you are all safe and without much, if any, damage to your homes & surrounding areas.

 

[borndem]

Aww...you are a sweetie pie!

Have you been talking to my adorable hubby?

Oh gosh if I could only be half as good as that man thinks I am!:floorlaugh:

You should hear our children. hee hee They think we wont ever grow up and they are right! Still a huggin and smooching.:great: They just shake their heads but they ain't foolin us..........they like it that we are so close.:crazy:

How are your ribs? I certainly hope they are much much better.

I am on the mend I believe. The meds really seem to be helping.

IMO

Mine is now a ligament tear, but it's okay -- very bad first thing in the morning, probably from being so still while thankfully asleep. So it helps to walk around a bit first thing, Then the meds and as long as I don't pizz it off, we get along fine. Feeling good right now. Thanks for asking.

I'm glad to hear your report, too. Time does heal. But it's tuff during the wait. I grunt a lot (what's new?), but I feel better than I sound! We're tuff, you can't keep up down, or quiet, for long, huh?l

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Good morning!

I just read all your wonderful posts on my Google update. Thanks Button to you all!

I'm not surprised the jury is taking its time. The request for marker pens makes me believe that they are sincerely deliberating and will take their time.

First of all, we've had the opportunity to discuss the case as it's moved along, aided by HLN and IS in the background. We've seen the MSM reports. They haven't. Imagine twelve people who are just starting the discussions we've had?

I hope that one reason for the markers is to compare CM's police statement to the testimony presented during trial. Once they see all the disparities, they can decide whether or not to believe his statements were the "troot" and nothing but! Once they decide that he was only giving self-serving statements with a heap of lies, it would be on to the medical testimony. More markers needed for that.

Finally, they have to look at the testimony about the standards of care violations.

Then, they will have to go through the jury instructions and untangle what they mean in this case.

My order may be out of whack, but I think you all get the idea. Since some of them followed the CA trial, they may also not want to make the mistake that jury made. They obviously didn't ask for markers to compare the testimony, they acted on their "impressions" of it. Now, they are stuck trying to maintain their anonymity even though their names are out there. I'm sure none of them can give any more information about the deliberations than what we have heard... vast generalizations.

This jury will want to be able to say that they went through the testimony in a painstaking manner before coming to a verdict. The fact that a number of them are jury veterans would also prolong the discussion. They want to get it right.

Or, on the other hand, those of you who said they are "sleeping on it" could be quite correct as well!

 

[TxLady2]

Honey I am from the deep south:floorlaugh: but I say puhcaans and everyone down here looks at me like I am crazy.:crazy:

We have 15 pecan trees on our place. I hate them in the wintertime though. Yuck. Thank goodness we have a lot of pines and bradfords too.

IMO

I say puhcaans too. I thought everybody did. :crazy: And pecan pie is my hubby's favorite. My dad always gave us lots of pecans every year, he had two big trees in his yard. We southerners love our pecans!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've got a good Cajun Pee-can Pie recipe --

I say pee-can, accent on the pee syllable. And I say "ant" for aunt also, but I don't say "ain't" like Ain't Bee when Andy or Opie says it. And I don't say ahhnt. Potayto, Potahto. Ain't no thang.

In the midst of strangers (eek) I might say, "puh-cahn" accent on the cahn, but that ain't reeely mee.

Well this is so silly but all my life I felt embarassed when someone calls it a 'pee-can.":blushing::blushing:

I guess that is because my great grandmother told me stories about them having to use a pee-can at night when she was growing up.:floorlaugh:

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I say puhcaans too. I thought everybody did. :crazy: And pecan pie is my hubby's favorite. My dad always gave us lots of pecans every year, he had two big trees in his yard. We southerners love our pecans!!

Yes, we sure do.

Pecan pie is my hubby's favorite too.

We let all of our neighbors in our area come pick up pecans if they want. We only pick up enough to make sure I have plenty of them on hand each year and I give all of our daughters who live in our area and our daughter in law some so they don't have to buy any.

We have a family down the street and the father has been out of work due to a major surgery and his family has come up here and are selling them to make extra money. The price for pecans are outrageous but a good deal when someone sells them.

It helps them and it really helps us too and the pecans on the ground are a nightmare for my hubby when he cuts the grass and we cut the grass all the way through November at least because we are known to have very warm days.

Now the guy next door would probably call the police if anyone picked up one of his pecans.:floorlaugh: He doesn't live here but comes when it is time to gather the pecans.

IMO

 

[peace9274]

Good morning!

I just read all your wonderful posts on my Google update. Thanks Button to you all!

I'm not surprised the jury is taking its time. The request for marker pens makes me believe that they are sincerely deliberating and will take their time.

First of all, we've had the opportunity to discuss the case as it's moved along, aided by HLN and IS in the background. We've seen the MSM reports. They haven't. Imagine twelve people who are just starting the discussions we've had?

I hope that one reason for the markers is to compare CM's police statement to the testimony presented during trial. Once they see all the disparities, they can decide whether or not to believe his statements were the "troot" and nothing but! Once they decide that he was only giving self-serving statements with a heap of lies, it would be on to the medical testimony. More markers needed for that.

Finally, they have to look at the testimony about the standards of care violations.

Then, they will have to go through the jury instructions and untangle what they mean in this case.

My order may be out of whack, but I think you all get the idea. Since some of them followed the CA trial, they may also not want to make the mistake that jury made. They obviously didn't ask for markers to compare the testimony, they acted on their "impressions" of it. Now, they are stuck trying to maintain their anonymity even though their names are out there. I'm sure none of them can give any more information about the deliberations than what we have heard... vast generalizations.

This jury will want to be able to say that they went through the testimony in a painstaking manner before coming to a verdict. The fact that a number of them are jury veterans would also prolong the discussion. They want to get it right.

Or, on the other hand, those of you who said they are "sleeping on it" could be quite correct as well!

Thanks for your comments, CarolinaMoon.

I was one of those who thought if the jurors take longer than all day Friday, they took too long!!
I was thinking they all MUST know he's guilty, even before the last word of closing arguments was spoken!!!
No deliberating or discussion needed! Period.

But, now... after reading opinions & explanations re this so-called "LONG" time they're taking...
I'm sure if they take a month or more deliberating and then come back with a not-guilty verdict...
I'll be saying:

"Wait a minute! Those jurors did not discuss it or think about it or ponder over it or ask enough
questions or review their notes or sleep on it LONG ENOUGH!!! They should have taken more time!!! Period."