Contempt of Court :Revealing Sealed Docs

[JBean]

Yeah, grand....... I get that. I guess I was just looking at this through the eyes of my children/grandchild (or even the main squeeze at times) who've always found a way to blame the other guy in a way which exonerates their actions ...... I guess we used to call it the "What? ME?!?! What about what THEY did????" syndrome around here.

Hi Debs. Sounds more like Mr Cook is saying "we" did. He admits what he did and how he came to do it.

 

[Chili Fries]

This is being discussed on another thread. I'll go see if I can find you the post.

IIRC a member here has had to take out RO's before and her address was listed because the other person had to know the address in order to stay away from it.

That doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how it could be mandatory to provide the address of person filing the RO to the one being restrained. There are confidential shelters for abused women and giving that address to a violent spouse or boyfriend would put many extra people at risk.

 

[BeanE]

I keep wondering who the two people are that he shared the info with. Could it be reporters? Could he be one of the unnamed sources?

 

[debs]

Hi Debs. Sounds more like Mr Cook is saying "we" did. He admits what he did and how he came to do it.

Walking this fine line here..........but we haven't heard what Terri says about how he got hold of those documents.

 

[Kat]

That doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how it could be mandatory to provide the address of person filing the RO to the one being restrained. There are confidential shelters for abused women and giving that address to a violent spouse or boyfriend would put many extra people at risk.

I am still looking for that post by the member here. It might be downstairs?

I don't know Oregon law on RO's. I also don't know if KH was in a shelter for abused spouses. I also don't know what Oregon's policy is on if the address where the person fililng the RSO is a shelter how that is handled.

Hopefully, the member that posted her/his experience will see this and answer.

HTH.

 

[gardeness]

A reporter in a video about this report stated that Mr. Cook has decided he needs to retain his own lawyer now that he has found himself in the middle of this high profile case.

I agree. He could find himself with legal problems of his own if the information that is put forth is correct. JMHO.

IMO, he wanted in. I don't think it was any accident that he started chatting with Terri.

 

[cakegirl0905]

What was Cook thinking?

Better question is what was Cook thinking with? :blushing:

Sorry.

It's just so ridiculous.

 

[Kat]

Oregon State Bar info on RO's.

http://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1140_RestrainingOrders.htm

snip:

...Do I have to Disclose Where I am Living?
You may have gone to a safe place that is not known to your abuser. If so, you may want to use a so-called “contact address”— that is, an address other than where you are actually staying. If you decide to do this for your safety, you also are agreeing to allow your abuser to serve his or her court papers on you at that address. You must check for court papers at that address regularly so long as you list that address with the court since it is the address where your abuser must send copies of anything he or she files, in the same case or another case. If you miss a court deadline because you have not checked for court papers at that location, the other person will win whatever he or she was asking for in the papers delivered to that address...

Perhaps our member posting on this isn't/wasn't located in Oregon? But it looks to me that a contact address must be supplied?

 

[Chili Fries]

Oregon State Bar info on RO's.

http://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1140_RestrainingOrders.htm

snip:



Perhaps our member posting on this isn't/wasn't located in Oregon? But it looks to me that a contact address must be supplied?

On the restraining order we've seen, Kaine listed the address of his attorney.

Here is the RO:

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/assets/pdf/J016056678.PDF

You can see Kaine's listed address is that of his attorney, Laura Rackner. The address of where he has been living is not listed. My guess is that the court either made a mistake and sent Terri his address (you'll see that their last name is listed as "Horton" on the first page of the paperwork so they do make mistakes) or that MC either lied to LE about how he got the address (maybe he followed Kaine or something). Or somehow the information of how he got the address got garbled between LE and Kaine (or his attorney).

 

[wondering1]

Oregon State Bar info on RO's.

http://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1140_RestrainingOrders.htm

snip:



Perhaps our member posting on this isn't/wasn't located in Oregon? But it looks to me that a contact address must be supplied?

She was in OR iirc. I thought that was odd advice to get when I read her post. While it's true that an abuser has to know a specific address to stay away from to avoid being in explicit violation of an RO provision, they still have to stay away from *you.* And, imo, they'd be pretty hard pressed to show that they just randomly happened to show up at a particular undisclosed address that just randomly happened to be your home. I can see it for a gym, business, school, or what not, but here you definitely don't need to disclose your home address. All you need to do is designate it as protected.

 

[DairyGirl]

I keep wondering who the two people are that he shared the info with. Could it be reporters? Could he be one of the unnamed sources?

I'll go even further and ask if Mr. C could have profited from this.

 

[Kat]

I'm reading that differently wondering? I think I am? who knows at this point?

I'm reading it as an address must be given and entered onto the RO and it can be a POC (point of contact) address not the exact address to which you have removed yourself.

But that an address must be supplied? I don't know which address KH put there.

 

[DairyGirl]

She was in OR iirc. I thought that was odd advice to get when I read her post. While it's true that an abuser has to know a specific address to stay away from to avoid being in explicit violation of an RO provision, they still have to stay away from *you.* And, imo, they'd be pretty hard pressed to show that they just randomly happened to show up at a particular undisclosed address that just randomly happened to be your home. I can see it for a gym, business, school, or what not, but here you definitely don't need to disclose your home address. All you need to do is designate it as protected.

All I know is that I live in Oregon and when the state went after child support I asked to have my address left off for fear of reprisal. They actually sent the papers to him stating that my address was to remain private and STILL put my address on them.

 

[Kat]

OT: ACK Dairygirl! I'm sorry!

 

[winterrose]

I'll go even further and ask if Mr. C could have profited from this.

This is something that I'm sure LE is investigating.Websites,photos,banners,facebook,vigils and interviews with the local papers,he's attached to all of this,is he a good friend or more?According to Kaine's filing today,it appears to be more.

 

[wondering1]

All I know is that I live in Oregon and when the state went after child support I asked to have my address left off for fear of reprisal. They actually sent the papers to him stating that my address was to remain private and STILL put my address on them.

well THAT doesn't surprise me :::eyeroll::: The mistakes people make when other people's lives are at stake make me apoplectic. I can just see the clerk typing out the address wondering when she gets a smoke break.

I'm sorry that happened to you.

 

[Kat]

On the restraining order we've seen, Kaine listed the address of his attorney.

Here is the RO:

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/assets/pdf/J016056678.PDF

You can see Kaine's listed address is that of his attorney, Laura Rackner. The address of where he has been living is not listed. My guess is that the court either made a mistake and sent Terri his address (you'll see that their last name is listed as "Horton" on the first page of the paperwork so they do make mistakes) or that MC either lied to LE about how he got the address (maybe he followed Kaine or something). Or somehow the information of how he got the address got garbled between LE and Kaine (or his attorney).

Excellent point because I can't see how him having had googled Ms. Rackner's address on his phone would be newsworthy? Perhaps it's been distorted by the media? or like you said there was a mistake.

 

[grandmaj]

On the restraining order we've seen, Kaine listed the address of his attorney.

Here is the RO:

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/assets/pdf/J016056678.PDF

You can see Kaine's listed address is that of his attorney, Laura Rackner. The address of where he has been living is not listed. My guess is that the court either made a mistake and sent Terri his address (you'll see that their last name is listed as "Horton" on the first page of the paperwork so they do make mistakes) or that MC either lied to LE about how he got the address (maybe he followed Kaine or something). Or somehow the information of how he got the address got garbled between LE and Kaine (or his attorney).

I'm wondering if the return of service by the sheriff or process server had Kaine's information on it. Or if the copy we saw had it redacted.

 

[wondering1]

On the restraining order we've seen, Kaine listed the address of his attorney.

Here is the RO:

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/assets/pdf/J016056678.PDF

You can see Kaine's listed address is that of his attorney, Laura Rackner. The address of where he has been living is not listed. My guess is that the court either made a mistake and sent Terri his address (you'll see that their last name is listed as "Horton" on the first page of the paperwork so they do make mistakes) or that MC either lied to LE about how he got the address (maybe he followed Kaine or something). Or somehow the information of how he got the address got garbled between LE and Kaine (or his attorney).

On page 5, Para. 3, his current or future address is blacked out. Which tells me that on the original petition, the one the TH would have gotten, his address was provided. Are we talking about the same part of the document?

 

[CaringCitizen]

I thought KH's new address was not going to be disclosed to TH, for his own protection.

I must be wrong, right?

Totally agree! When I read the RO when it came out, it listed Kaine's current address as: undisclosed. This, as opposed to being an address that was later marked out on the doc, for public consumption.

I thought this was as expected - meaning, undisclosed address so that Terri, herself, couldn't see the location. What would be the point of telling her where he was staying?

So, now to find out her copy of the RO had Kaine's new temporary address on it (for Terri to see and Mr. Cook or whomever else she might have shown it to, to see) is befuddling at best. :waitasec:

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