Cooper Harris - Sidebar Thread

[Magdalyn]

Veronica Waters
‏@MissVWaters
#RossHarrisTrial Juror 46 says she has no opinion on case. She's a Lt. Col. with the Air Force w/ Top Secret clearance. @wsbradio

Veronica Waters ‏@MissVWaters · 2h2 hours ago

#RossHarrisTrial Juror 43 heard something about defendant's browsing history. Saw story in paper, on news, wife clipped articles. @wsbradio

Don't have a link but watching local news tonight: Juror 46 made it through. They did a short segment on her being a Lt. Col in the Air Force, a mother of 3 (I think), served on 2 military juries, never a civil one. They were all "If she gets chosen, maybe a potential jury foreperson?"

 

[Magdalyn]

Bill Rankin ‏@ajccourts · 48m48 minutes ago

Judge removes Juror #48 who'd said #RossHarris "had the child and he was responsible for the child that day and the child died."

 

[Magdalyn]

Bill Rankin ‏@ajccourts · 51m51 minutes ago

26 jurors now qualified to serve for the #RossHarris hot car murder trial. We should be more than halfway there.

 

[Magdalyn]

Veronica Waters ‏@MissVWaters · 1h1 hour ago

The state and defense agree on five of the last panel of jurors at the #RossHarrisTrial--neither side moves to strike. @wsbradio

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I hope by the time the trial starts fer realz, these journalists come up with ONE universal hashtag for their Ross Harris trial tweets. lease:

 

[seattlechiquita]

I'm thinking a big big big thing is how he is presenting himself to the potential jurors right this moment. He has to try and make the best impression upon them NOW. I wonder how he is acting right now....

 

[ms madge]

I'm thinking a big big big thing is how he is presenting himself to the potential jurors right this moment. He has to try and make the best impression upon them NOW. I wonder how he is acting right now....

He apparently "showed rare emotion as a juror discussed how Cooper died".... put his face in his hands...... IMO not a genuine show of emotion, it more indicates that he doesn't want people looking at him while they are hearing these details.

 

[krkrjx]

I actually think (at least as I write this) that I could sit as a juror in this case. I do believe it is proper that charges were pressed and trial is taking place and I am not happy at all with this defendant for his actions before/during/after this tragedy occurred. I think he should be held accountable and have to stand in court and defend himself. That's what this trial will allow him to do. I do believe he is guilty of wrongdoing and possibly that wrongdoing led to his child's death. However, I am not yet sure he is guilty as charged and before I could put someone away for life or even several decades, I would have to be very sure they are guilty as charged. So...while I follow most cases with a bias toward one verdict or another usually at the onset, I am not really there yet with this one.

He's not innocent, IMO. But he's certainly not been proven guilty as charged in my mind. Not yet, anyway. I believe I could set aside my personal thoughts on this guy and his actions well enough to decide whether he is guilty as charged or not.

I will say, though, that if this guy did intentionally harm his son I hope the state has the evidence to prove it so that justice is realized.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

BBM. I think in pretty much all of the cases I've followed and crime shows I've watched, when the perp is more concerned for their own future (i.e. having gotten caught) over what happened to the victim, it's usually because they wanted them dead/or already knew they were dead. They usually don't call 911 or delay doing it or don't ask how injured the person is or how they died. That's what usually trips them up. And LE is smart enough to figure that out.
If I had just accidentally killed my child, you can believe I'd be beating myself up (or my spouse if they had done it) and I'd be fully cooperative with the police- not telling them "FU" and refusing to get off the phone.

I do think Harris had left him in the car several times before. Maybe in the garage "because Cooper's asleep, and I didn't want to wake him"? I keep thinking passive, Maybe each time he hoped Cooper had died, and he'd be free. . An accident, no malice, It wouldn't be like killing Cooper using violence in his mind?

 

[LinasK]

I do think Harris had left him in the car several times before. Maybe in the garage "because Cooper's asleep, and I didn't want to wake him"? I keep thinking passive, Maybe each time he hoped Cooper had died, and he'd be free. . An accident, no malice, It wouldn't be like killing Cooper using violence in his mind?

Yeah, but a garage is a protected, sheltered environment and it doesn't heat up to temps in the 90 degrees and above. And if you do leave your child to sleep in the car, you leave windows and doors open.

 

[Magdalyn]

Yeah, but a garage is a protected, sheltered environment and it doesn't heat up to temps in the 90 degrees and above. And if you do leave your child to sleep in the car, you leave windows and doors open.

I don't know the exact temperature, but mine gets mighty hot (in Georgia).

Found this:

http://www.askthebuilder.com/hot-garage-ventilation/

Her garage is situated like mine (attic space over part and bedroom over other part.) though she's in Florida.

ETA: Her average temps are similar to ours. I would guess on the worst days (when it hits 100) it could easily got that hot in my garage as well.

 

[GA_Peach]

Yeah, but a garage is a protected, sheltered environment and it doesn't heat up to temps in the 90 degrees and above. And if you do leave your child to sleep in the car, you leave windows and doors open.

In Atlanta, it absolutely does get above 90 degrees in a garage. There are times when we get in our car that has been parked in the garage overnight first thing in the morning, and the temperature inside the car is over 100. We leave the windows open when the car is parked in our garage.

We never left any of our sleeping kids in the car in our garage in the summer. As soon as the car and the associated AC is turned off, the sweating begins. It is hot and humid here. While I do agree that leaving a child in a car in the garage is not the same as in a public place, it's still too hot to do so in summer.

IMO, this is really tangential to Cooper's case. However, if JRH had a habit of leaving Cooper in the car, I would have an nearly impossible time overlooking that.

 

[missy_g]

My in laws have a climate controlled garage. It even gets hot with the air on because it's not as insulated as the rest of the house. Even if he has left Cooper in the car, IMO that doesn't make it OK for him to leave Cooper in the car on a 90* day while he is "working".

 

[Magdalyn]

In Atlanta, it absolutely does get above 90 degrees in a garage. There are times when we get in our car that has been parked in the garage overnight first thing in the morning, and the temperature inside the car is over 100. We leave the windows open when the car is parked in our garage.

RSBM

We used to all these years up until last summer when there was a copperhead hanging out in the garage in front of the fridge we have out there. :gasp:

Anyway, the only logical explanation (other than premeditated) I can come up with for them both 'researching' hot car deaths is that it was Ross's habit and Leanna was giving him a 'come to Jesus' lecture, complete with video. The whole "Nathan Deal" initiative inspiring anyone to look up how long it takes animals to die in hot car just doesn't pass the smell test. to me (ugh, no pun intended, sorry.)

 

[GA_Peach]

RSBM

We used to all these years up until last summer when there was a copperhead hanging out in the garage in front of the fridge we have out there. :gasp:

Anyway, the only logical explanation (other than premeditated) I can come up with for them both 'researching' hot car deaths is that it was Ross's habit and Leanna was giving him a 'come to Jesus' lecture, complete with video. The whole "Nathan Deal" initiative inspiring anyone to look up how long it takes animals to die in hot car just doesn't pass the smell test. to me (ugh, no pun intended, sorry.)

I would have freak out if I came across a copperhead in our garage. Yuck!

I have been giving this case an extreme amount of thought over the past few days. In most cases where a child has been left in car due to a change in routine (truly forgetting), there is always that moment when the parent realizes what has happened. I don't recall this moment for Ross being reported. Does anyone know? He was on the way to the movie, but did he see the top of Cooper's head? Did he all of sudden smell Cooper? What was it that made him realize that Cooper was still in the car?

On a side note, the shopping center where he pulled over and removed Cooper from the car is a very strange choice. Since he was heading to the movie theater, he would have normally turned right at the street, Cobb Parkway/Highway 41, immediately before that shopping center. In effect, he drove past his "destination." However, there are plenty of places to pull over before that intersection and just as many options if he had turned right toward the theater. I just wonder where JRH was when he realized Cooper was in the car (assuming of course he didn't already know) and why he would have decided to pull over at that particular shopping center. Why pull over there when there were many other options that would have been on his way?

 

[GA_Peach]

I hope that this picture gives an idea of the area JRH was driving. He was on Akers Mill (moving in the direction of the yellow area). He should have turned on Cobb Parkway to head to movies, but he continued across the intersection to pull over. I marked the movie theater as well as where JRH actually pulled over with a yellow text box. I hope that this helps.

 

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[ms madge]

Yes , that "OMG" moment seems to be in ever other story like this. Even that foster parent who went inside to smoke weed and watch GoT, a baby on the tv cried and that triggered his memory, and ran out to the car but baby was already dead. JRH is so unlikeable. He thought he was so clever. I am 100% convinced of his malicious intent.

 

[gngr~snap]

I would have freak out if I came across a copperhead in our garage. Yuck!

I have been giving this case an extreme amount of thought over the past few days. In most cases where a child has been left in car due to a change in routine (truly forgetting), there is always that moment when the parent realizes what has happened. I don't recall this moment for Ross being reported. Does anyone know? He was on the way to the movie, but did he see the top of Cooper's head? Did he all of sudden smell Cooper? What was it that made him realize that Cooper was still in the car?

On a side note, the shopping center where he pulled over and removed Cooper from the car is a very strange choice. Since he was heading to the movie theater, he would have normally turned right at the street, Cobb Parkway/Highway 41, immediately before that shopping center. In effect, he drove past his "destination." However, there are plenty of places to pull over before that intersection and just as many options if he had turned right toward the theater. I just wonder where JRH was when he realized Cooper was in the car (assuming of course he didn't already know) and why he would have decided to pull over at that particular shopping center. Why pull over there when there were many other options that would have been on his way?

Thank you!
He was not headed to the theater getting on Akers Mill. He was headed home! (Or somewhere else.... )
The theater parking lots don't connect!
Once he left work...
He could have turned around and gone to the Kaiser Permanente Healthcare righr across the street from Home Depot Treehouse!!!! Lots of help there. Not to mention that Kaiser was the medical facility for Home Depot employees!!

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[gngr~snap]

I could see one of the following happening:

The defense manages to convince the jury that Cooper's death was an accident and the jury acquits on all charges because he has suffered enough, already paid for what happened with almost 2 years in jail, and reputation ruined

The jury believes that Ross killed Cooper intentionally but there is some reasonable doubt so they convict him on one of the lesser charges, so he might not go away for life, but he will get a sentence.

IMO he will get a sentence. He will not get a get out if jail free card. Not in Cobb County!

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