Cop goes overboard on kid
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Jeana (DP)
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What about the cop's dashboard camera? Did we see that one yet? I can just see this case in court now. The case of the dueling dashboard cameras.
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Here is most of the encounter between the cop and the 20-year old. The first 12 minutes at least.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3819007177617270039
BTW, in the interview in this video http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...er.dashcam.cnn the guy says that the police cannot seem to *find* the officers dashboard camera tape....it has apparently been lost.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3819007177617270039
BTW, in the interview in this video http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...er.dashcam.cnn the guy says that the police cannot seem to *find* the officers dashboard camera tape....it has apparently been lost.
LOL!!
I just think its common for cops to act that way. Mainly when coming upon a smart A$$ 20 YO in the middle of the night.
I got the distinct impression this guy got mouthy or had a tone about why he was being questioned.. rather then just showing his ID and being respectful.
Jeana (DP)
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I hope you're not right about this Amra. I can't imagine more than one cop being so completely unprofessional, rude and frankly admitting to be willing to break the law all at one time.
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Jeana I saw the kid on fox news and he said that the cops dashboard tape is "missing".
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Well then it was taken by a supervisor right? The patrol officers don't have access to them. Or, maybe since he was a seargent, he had the keys?????
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Hi Jeana I am not sure who can access them. Martha Mckowen asked the boy about what he thought should happen to the cop and he said he thought he should be fired because not only did he threaten to make up charges against him but also the tape seems to be missing. The way he said missing you could tell he meant someone with access got rid of it.
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Well I know that only supervisors have accesss, but like I said, he may have been the supervisor. If he got rid of it himself, that's more proof that he knew he was screwed. If someone else helped him, there are more problems in that department than we know of right now.
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Well I know that only supervisors have accesss, but like I said, he may have been the supervisor. If he got rid of it himself, that's more proof that he knew he was screwed. If someone else helped him, there are more problems in that department than we know of right now.
I agree with what you say. It would be very interesting to know why it has disapered, if it would shine in the police's favor you would think they would have released it.
Jeana (DP)
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Absolutely!! Good point!
Don't be sucked into that one; the kid did it to protect himself. There are enclaves of bad cops who routinely abuse people this way, esp young males and attractive young girls. Cops need better psych eval at each promotion. To think this guy is a sergeant is nauseating. He is a criminal and needs to go to jail for abusing another under cover of authority. Keep it up and he'll mess with the wrong guy and be last seen on a gurney.
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I am considering installing them in my kids cars. Honestly it is such a huge probelm around here, it would be a great investment.
My gf's son was pulling into a parking place. As he did he clipped a parked car. He went into the store directly in front of the parking place to get a pen and paper to write a note. He came out of the store a few minutes later with the pen and paper in hand. 2 officers that watched all this came over and began to write him up for misdemeanor hit and run! he told them he was inside the store getting what he needed to write a note and the storekeeper came out and corroborated his story. They said didn't matter, he left the scene. He tried to plead his case to the officers and they promptly arrested him for resisting arrest. Once they brought him into the station and the other cops saw that he was under arrest for hit and run and resisting arrest they promptly roughed him up.
I think the officer would have written this kid up for all kinds of things that night if he hadn't found that camera. All of a sudden at the end he's all fatherly etc. Blech.
I seriously hope people around him evaluate any relationship he's in with women or children.
I seriously hope people around him evaluate any relationship he's in with women or children.
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This is a funny story of a pretend "overboard" cop - to lighten the subject here.
When I was young and cute, I had a Trans Am stolen in college on campus. The University Police man handled my case over the phone and we became fast friends after he introduced himself by pulling my borrowed car over and pretending to arrest me. He and I are both pranksters - so we became immediately close. I dated his son for awhile, too. Anyway, one day I was flying in my newly purchased trans am on campus, clearly speeding. He pulled me over and there was a rookie cop with him. As I got out of the car, Sgt. Smith winked at me where the rookie didn't see him and I got it immediately that I wasn't going to get a ticket. He started playing "bad cop" and asked for my driver's license, registration and informed me that the insurance card I didn't have EITHER was a new law I needed to have it on me. He started adding up the tickets he was going to give me... X number of dollars for speeding, X number for not having my DL or registration... etc. He totalled it up and I pretended to be distraught. The rookie just stood there, watching. THEN Sgt. Smith sidled up to me and said loud enough for the rookie to hear, that we could make other arrangements to get out of the ticket... if I wanted to give him a turn in the back seat, etc. He was just graphic enough to get the point across. The rookie's eyes got as big as watermelons and he was saying out of the side of his mouth "SEARGENT SMITH! SEARGENT SMITH!!... You could lose your JOB!" He was clearly paniced and upset!
It was ALL I could do to bite my tounge and not laugh! I grabbed the pen from the rookie's shirt and wrote on some scrap paper in my car my phone number and gave it to Sgt. Smith - then got in my car and drove away!
Apparently, he NEVER told the rookie that it was a joke, because I brought cookies in the following week for the Sgt. and the rookie just looked at me, wide eyed again. It made me bring cookies more often! ha ha!
The son was a jerk - but I will never forget my Seargent.
When I was young and cute, I had a Trans Am stolen in college on campus. The University Police man handled my case over the phone and we became fast friends after he introduced himself by pulling my borrowed car over and pretending to arrest me. He and I are both pranksters - so we became immediately close. I dated his son for awhile, too. Anyway, one day I was flying in my newly purchased trans am on campus, clearly speeding. He pulled me over and there was a rookie cop with him. As I got out of the car, Sgt. Smith winked at me where the rookie didn't see him and I got it immediately that I wasn't going to get a ticket. He started playing "bad cop" and asked for my driver's license, registration and informed me that the insurance card I didn't have EITHER was a new law I needed to have it on me. He started adding up the tickets he was going to give me... X number of dollars for speeding, X number for not having my DL or registration... etc. He totalled it up and I pretended to be distraught. The rookie just stood there, watching. THEN Sgt. Smith sidled up to me and said loud enough for the rookie to hear, that we could make other arrangements to get out of the ticket... if I wanted to give him a turn in the back seat, etc. He was just graphic enough to get the point across. The rookie's eyes got as big as watermelons and he was saying out of the side of his mouth "SEARGENT SMITH! SEARGENT SMITH!!... You could lose your JOB!" He was clearly paniced and upset!
It was ALL I could do to bite my tounge and not laugh! I grabbed the pen from the rookie's shirt and wrote on some scrap paper in my car my phone number and gave it to Sgt. Smith - then got in my car and drove away!
Apparently, he NEVER told the rookie that it was a joke, because I brought cookies in the following week for the Sgt. and the rookie just looked at me, wide eyed again. It made me bring cookies more often! ha ha!
The son was a jerk - but I will never forget my Seargent.
I went through the same thing with my boys. It was always the SAME cop. 19 stops in 5 months!!! Once he yanked my oldest out the car with his gun to my son's head slamming him on the hood saying he was taking his
to jail. Said my son was reckless driving. How can you turn a corner doing 55mph and stop in front of our house, which is the second one off the corner, and me not hear a thing? The SUV would have rolled over going that fast to turn. Still waiting to go to court on that one...and yeah...the tape somehow got "erased" according the PD. I raised so much hell at the dept the cop got reassigned.dontpanic38
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I saw the video and was shocked and dismayed by what I saw, but after more information started coming out I found out that I am personally invested in this story. The Chief of Police is someone I know personally and have known for many years.
I don't know the cop that is in trouble over this, but I know Scott Uhrig and he is a decent stand up guy and is one of the people that I makes me believe that cops are real people and not power crazy sociopaths. There is a lot of information that is coming out that I think is unfair to him and police in general and I think that if you look at this situation in the context that a police officer is looking at it, this story is being blown way out of proportion.
Last month a St. Louis cop was executed by a who simply wanted to shoot a cop. The officer was alone at night and was ambushed. That is the worst case scenario, but when you look at the facts in this case, this kid baited the cop into a situation where the officer does what he should be doing. A car pulling into a dark parking lot at 2:00 AM deserves to be checked out. The cop asks the kid what he is doing, and the kid's response is that it is none of his business. If Officer Kuehnlein would have said, "Wow. You are right. Carry on then." what sort of cop would he be?
As a teen I did all sorts of things that could have landed me in trouble with the police, but I also knew that if you are stopped by a cop and you give them a hard time, they are going to give you a harder time.
It is my opinion that while Officer Kuehnlein stepped way over the line in his response, this kid is lucky it wasn't a cop who decided he was "resisting arrest"...
The media and general population is looking at this whole thing, and I don't think that it is fair to immediately judge the police. As the facts are coming out it is obvious that this kid has done this before, and honestly I don't have a problem with a cop cursing out a punk who is cruising around looking for trouble. The cops have to assume the worst about a person they are confronting, and I have a hard time thinking that it is a good idea to smart off to a cop.
Anyway, I don't respond to too many posts, especially when my post is going the opposite direction of the majority of the rest of the post, but I wanted to point out that as someone who knows that a good man and good officer is being dragged through the mud because of two people who made bad decisions.
I don't know the cop that is in trouble over this, but I know Scott Uhrig and he is a decent stand up guy and is one of the people that I makes me believe that cops are real people and not power crazy sociopaths. There is a lot of information that is coming out that I think is unfair to him and police in general and I think that if you look at this situation in the context that a police officer is looking at it, this story is being blown way out of proportion.
Last month a St. Louis cop was executed by a
who simply wanted to shoot a cop. The officer was alone at night and was ambushed. That is the worst case scenario, but when you look at the facts in this case, this kid baited the cop into a situation where the officer does what he should be doing. A car pulling into a dark parking lot at 2:00 AM deserves to be checked out. The cop asks the kid what he is doing, and the kid's response is that it is none of his business. If Officer Kuehnlein would have said, "Wow. You are right. Carry on then." what sort of cop would he be?As a teen I did all sorts of things that could have landed me in trouble with the police, but I also knew that if you are stopped by a cop and you give them a hard time, they are going to give you a harder time.
It is my opinion that while Officer Kuehnlein stepped way over the line in his response, this kid is lucky it wasn't a cop who decided he was "resisting arrest"...
The media and general population is looking at this whole thing, and I don't think that it is fair to immediately judge the police. As the facts are coming out it is obvious that this kid has done this before, and honestly I don't have a problem with a cop cursing out a punk who is cruising around looking for trouble. The cops have to assume the worst about a person they are confronting, and I have a hard time thinking that it is a good idea to smart off to a cop.
Anyway, I don't respond to too many posts, especially when my post is going the opposite direction of the majority of the rest of the post, but I wanted to point out that as someone who knows that a good man and good officer is being dragged through the mud because of two people who made bad decisions.
The same cop that was harrassing my sons would always threaten me with arrest for "intereferring with the duties of an officer" because I would ask him why he's messing with my boys again. LOL....he said that one too many time to me. I told him I'm not going to jail for
...he'd better write me up now for "assault with bodily injury DID". My youngest son held me back as I headed towards him. Him slamming my son with a gun to head was about all I could stand. It was soo bad with that one cop, neighbors volunteered to drive my vehicles, just to get the cop to pull it over. The idiot would make U-turns to pull my car over when he saw it. I eventually kept my video camera in the car for the boys to use. He acted just like this cop. I went to pretty much all the stops when my boys got pulled over. He arrested my youngest son once for "evading arrest". My son got out the car while the cop was harrassing the older one. Youngest went and stood next to another officer. Even the other cop asked why my son was being arrested. I'm still not done dealing with the jerk. Gotta finish up their court cases first. Yep..the "evading arrest" trial comes up in a month.
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We have this problem in our area also. When my husband was younger he would get pulled over all the time, it is called dirving while being brown. He had a nice truck with shiny rims so that constantly searched him. I called the police station to complain and they said if he doesn't want to get pulled over tell him not to drive a truck like that. So basically because he was young and Mexican he can't drive a nice car without being a drug dealer. We see it all the time here, they will be searching a car and the person is always black or Hispanic. They are doing a census this year in Illinois on how many minorities get pulled over and hasseled. I am glad someone is finally doing something. This is a smart thing this kid did and I think it would be wise for anyone to keep a cell phone or something that can record handy for a reason like this.
Jeana (DP)
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I don't care what this kid did. There is absolutely NO reason under the sun for this cop to behave the way he did. If he has no more self control than that, he has no business being a cop. There are MANY posters here either in law enforcement, parents in law enforcement, spouses in law enforcement, and NOT one of them would say this behavior is justified. It puts a black mark on the profession.
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