Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #15

[Lilibet]

Panda.

As in zoo?

 

[otto]

You’re absolutely right, Otto. Unfortunately, if the easy to understand educational information hasn’t been developed and broadcast by now, I don’t think it will be. Or it will be too little, too late. It’s really hard to wrap my mind around what seems to be deliberate obfuscation on the part of the government.

It is too little too late. I see such a vast spectrum of state to state response to the virus. Some states declare emergency with few infections, fully aware of the demands of an epidemic, others decide that their only job is to treat symptoms so no more testing.

There does seem to be an absence of that national health care education message to inform everyone of the seriousness of the situation, and how to manage (it's not about buying toilet paper). I'm worried that numbers are going to skyrocket in about 2 weeks. People will be walking around like they've been in a car wreck, bewildered by what hit them.

My family seems to be questioning my sanity because I tell them that this is a pandemic and it is "the big one." We have joint investments. At the last meeting I said "take the money and run," hold cash. They think the peak will happen in April (3 weeks from now) and then everything back to normal. I think recession, shortages, supply chain disrption, huge loss in value of everything, lasting months.

 

[gngr~snap]

Here's the article that concludes that Asians may have less resistance to the virus. It doesn't mean that it's true, because the only data available today is the Asian population. Maybe the article will have different conclusions after the virus has infected non-Asian communities.

"In summary, we systematically analyzed coding-region variants in ACE2and the eQTL variants, which may affect the expression of ACE2 using the GTEx database to compare the genomic characteristics of ACE2among different populations. Our findings indicated that no direct evidence was identified genetically supporting the existence of coronavirus S-protein binding-resistant ACE2 mutants in different populations (Fig. 1a). The data of variant distribution and AFs may contribute to the further investigations of ACE2, including its roles in acute lung injury and lung function12. The East Asian populations have much higher AFs in the eQTL variants associated with higher ACE2 expression in tissues (Fig. 1c), which may suggest different susceptibility or response to 2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2 from different populations under the similar conditions."​

Comparative genetic analysis of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2) receptor ACE2 in different populations

As an immunosuppressed partly Asian American, 6% or less, my family has done the DNA test, I have not yet. It is a great concern to me! My grandson carries all the traits that I do as well. Lactose intolerance and horrible ear infections. He is 13 months old and he is just like me! I'm praying he hasn't inherited my immune deficiency, but I fear he has.
I have no way to protect my mucus membranes!
So IF there is an Asian default to COVID19, I want to know about it!
MOO

 

[gitana1]

The point about it effectingly the elderly is that it's very similar to the flu in this way, and most people don't overly concern themselves about it. Indeed, the Corona virus seems to leave the very young relatively unscathed...which is excellent.

Except it’s not very similar to the flu. Lots of deaths in small areas in two months compared to the flu which has had a lot of deaths in a super large area (the entire world) in a year. That means that this virus is likely to kill vastly more numbers than the flu.

There’s a reason doctors are telling people over a certain age and people with certain conditions not to fly unless absolutely necessary and to avoid going in public as much as possible. There’s a reason schools are being shut down and events cancelled.

You think that’s all nonsense? Is my doctor crazy?

And we don’t know that it leaves the young unscathed. Luckily it doesn’t seem to target them like the 1918 flu did. But I’ve read several accounts of people under 40 being hospitalized and/or describing this as a devastating. Like they’re suffocating. And then we hear about lung scarring from this.

 

[Tadpole12]

It is too little too late. I see such a vast spectrum of state to state response to the virus. Some states declare emergency with few infections, fully aware of the demands of an epidemic, others decide that their only job is to treat symptoms so no more testing.

There does seem to be an absence of that national health care education message to inform everyone of the seriousness of the situation, and how to manage (it's not about buying toilet paper). I'm worried that numbers are going to skyrocket in about 2 weeks. People will be walking around like they've been in a car wreck, bewildered by what hit them.

My family seems to be questioning my sanity because I tell them that this is a pandemic and it is "the big one." We have joint investments. At the last meeting I said "take the money and run," hold cash. They think the peak will happen in April (3 weeks from now) and then everything back to normal. I think recession, shortages, supply chain disrption, huge loss in value of everything, lasting months.

Really, some think it will peak in 3 weeks.

 

[otto]

Even the virus spread aside, seeing videos of the conditions of these poor animals seems enough to ban these practices for good. And you know the saying-fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice-shame on you? SARS also started in China because of these wet markets allow these viruses to jump from one specie to another.

I thought the saying was "Fool me once, shame on you (for tricking me), fool me twice, shame on me (for being dumb enough to fall for it twice)." Either way, point taken.

There's so much controversy about the origin of the viruses. There's one theory about escape from the level 4 bio-lab 3 blocks from the Wuhan wet-market. The same theory also surrounds the SARS virus. It's strange that this virus is related to SARS and AIDS. Very odd that those two diseases would bind to make a new virus. AIDS is from monkeys, SARS is from bats. How did monkeys and bats get together to make a superbug? The bat bit the monkey, someone ate the monkey?

 

[jjenny]

I thought the saying was "Fool me once, shame on you (for tricking me), fool me twice, shame on me (for being dumb enough to fall for it twice)." Either way, point taken.

There's so much controversy about the origin of the viruses. There's one theory about escape from the level 4 bio-lab 3 blocks from the Wuhan wet-market. The same theory also surrounds the SARS virus. It's strange that this virus is related to SARS and AIDS. Very odd that those two diseases would bind to make a new virus. AIDS is from monkeys, SARS is from bats. How did monkeys and bats get together to make a superbug? The bat bit the monkey, someone ate the monkey?

There are always seems to be conspiracy theories when new virus shows up that it's made in the lab. I don't believe them. Seems a lot of viruses come from wild-animals, jumping from one specie into another and then into humans. Covid seems to be no exception.
P.S. You are right about the saying, I didn't get it right. In my defense it's a middle of the night.

 

[gitana1]

Really. Great program.
I repeat. Our hospital was closed due to it going bankrupt due to non payment by
It's patients.
Furthermore, Medical treatment centers, including hospitals, have gone bankrupt
Due to non payment throughout Southern California.
Google it. Please.

What hospital?

 

[otto]

Sorry, Otto. Somehow this post was attributed to me, I am new at posting on Websleuths, and did something wrong here with this post. I tried to delete it, but that didn't work.

It happens. Maybe I mess up the quotes.

 

[otto]

Homemade Sanitizers

"Meanwhile, recipes for hand sanitizer have been popping up on the Internet.

"There are recipes. For example, the World Health Organization even has a recipe up. But there are some caveats," Jenne said.

"And that is if it's not made properly, it can cause a fair bit of harm. But also if they're not made properly, they're not going to sterilize, and you get a false sense of security."

Jenne says for a homemade hand sanitizer to be effective, it has to have a lot of alcohol. "So, well above 60 per cent (alcohol) if you want to kill things," he said.

"Keep in mind, though, that the things that kill viruses, they kill biological cells, they kill living things. They're going to harm your own cells, your own skin, and commercial sanitizers have a lot of stable molecules in there to help protect your own skin. Those are hard to do at home."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/coronavirus-concerns-sanitizing-supplies-dwindling-1.5489087

 

[gitana1]

Hey you all. I've spent days, reading all of your posts.
Most were intelligent, preparation in the earlier days.
I learned a lot, and I took your advise. Thankfully, our household has hand sanitizers, food, medicene, pet food and toiletries to last well over 2 weeks.
Just in case. Thank you posters here, for your sage advise.
With that said. I do not, see this virus ending the world as we know it.
It dies from handwashing and bleach.
The reason large corporations are cancelling events is because their insurance companies have told them they will not insure them against claims from people who claim they got sick at one of their events.
Yes. In America, insurance companies and lawyers rule the land.
Very sad but true.
Anyway, if ANYONE, here, or a family member gets diagnosed wigh this virus, I certainly will be amazed.
Let me know if that happens.
In the meantime, relax. Trust in Math. Go about your business with a hand sanitizer.
Sincerely, Kali in California

Yeah it’s not the zombie apocalypse but for the over 3,000 who have died thus far from the limited areas and cases we’ve seen, life has ended as they knew it. And it has just started.

We have to remember that this is death and illness from a virus that’s not the flu. Which means ON TOP of all the annual flu deaths, we have this.

And it’s still not everywhere. The vast majority of counties in the US haven’t seen it.

Further, the crowd issue has zero to do with insurance companies and lawyers, IMO. Because good luck proving you acquired COVID 19 at the car expo instead of from some random supermarket checkout clerk sneezing on your money. Any such lawsuit would be dead in the water as soon as it’s filed.

Moreover, this thing causes lung scarring. Scary stuff. I’ve never heard of any regular flu doing that.

Finally, this epidemic has doctors alarmed. Enough so they’re telling elderly people and those with conditions not to fly and to stay home as much as possible. My doctor has never told me not to fly despite going through over a decade of flu seasons with her as my doctor.

I’m trusting in my doctor. People with medical degrees and experience who aren’t telling everyone to just relax and go about their business.

 

[Lilibet]

What hospital?

I think Kali lives in or near Fallbrook, north of San Diego. Their hospital closed.

 

[gitana1]

Here's the article that concludes that Asians may have less resistance to the virus. It doesn't mean that it's true, because the only data available today is the Asian population. Maybe the article will have different conclusions after the virus has infected non-Asian communities.

"In summary, we systematically analyzed coding-region variants in ACE2and the eQTL variants, which may affect the expression of ACE2 using the GTEx database to compare the genomic characteristics of ACE2among different populations. Our findings indicated that no direct evidence was identified genetically supporting the existence of coronavirus S-protein binding-resistant ACE2 mutants in different populations (Fig. 1a). The data of variant distribution and AFs may contribute to the further investigations of ACE2, including its roles in acute lung injury and lung function12. The East Asian populations have much higher AFs in the eQTL variants associated with higher ACE2 expression in tissues (Fig. 1c), which may suggest different susceptibility or response to 2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2 from different populations under the similar conditions."​

Comparative genetic analysis of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV/SARS-CoV-2) receptor ACE2 in different populations

Yes but that has to do with smoking.

 

[otto]

As an immunosuppressed partly Asian American, 6% or less, my family has done the DNA test, I have not yet. It is a great concern to me! My grandson carries all the traits that I do as well. Lactose intolerance and horrible ear infections. He is 13 months old and he is just like me! I'm praying he hasn't inherited my immune deficiency, but I fear he has.
I have no way to protect my mucus membranes!
So IF there is an Asian default to COVID19, I want to know about it!
MOO

My nephews and niece are 50% Asian, 50% Dutch. I see no difference between their immune systems and everyone else. I'm skeptical of the research paper, even though it is published in Nature, for the obvious reason that conclusions are drawn based solely on the Asian population. In 6 months, the paper can be re-written to confirm or apologize. Racial/anthropological conclusions are made based on testing one race/anthropological group. I'm surprised Nature accepted it - unless the magazine is publishing speculative research to document the process of figuring it out.

 

[MJPeony]

So I’m back from “toilet paper and bleach shopping” and thankfully was able to get a large supply so I don’t need to worry about it anymore. I can have some peace knowing I don’t have to deal with crowds and sick people just to go get toilet paper and can wipe my bum for the next couple months and keep the house clean. (Last night’s discussions about Brillo pads and sponges got me a little worried lol, along with seeing the recent article out of Burbank re: the Costco lines and other articles about TP so I was motivated to just get this over and done with. It’s not like TP is going to waste, you will always need it.

Anyway, it was hell out there today, but not for the reasons you would think, such as long lines or short supplies.

Once again, I was the only one in the store “CV shopping”, and with rubber gloves on might I add.

In a nutshell, I got a bunch of stares and whispers and was literally mocked by the clerk who said “it’s only the flu” and “we’re all going to die sometime”. (Eta: I schooled her btw that I am more worried about my family member with cancer that has been undergoing chemotherapy. That shut her up real fast.)

The lady in front of me in line AND the man behind me also both had negative things to say. It was offensive. It was not cool. I almost started doubting myself it was so bad.

I’m sure after reading here I’ll get right back in my groove that I am not overreacting and am being prepared.

Anyway glad to be home and back with you guys. I heard so much BS and misinformation today, conspiracy theories, “it’s the government”, “it’s all the media”...

Oh I am 100% with you!! Stay strong! I’ve had similar experiences and it’s been very demoralizing for me at the time as well. I have at times felt like a fool. Then I have to mentally detox and remember why I’m choosing to believe the science we have all been following.

I’m sure some of you remember (several weeks ago now), when I had to board a plane and I was asking here what precautions I should take. And I did end up wearing my N95 mask through the San Jose Airport (yes that was me if anyone happened to see it ) as well as on the plane. And I got SOO many stares, and I heard someone mocking me and laughing at me behind me. It was awful.

I’ve been out-of-pocket much of the day today because VERY unfortunately I had to be at a mandatory event that was NOT cancelled (despite San Francisco County public health recommendations!) in San Francisco today. At a large public gathering. Incredibly unsettling. Horrible environment and I am very concerned by the health habits I witnessed there. I wish I’d had a hidden camera and then I could post videos of it here on WS

I did my absolute best to “social distance” and refused to shake hands. I waited for others to open doors so I didn’t have to touch them, and I used my liquid gold travel hand sanitizer any time I touched anything at all. Some people gave me weird looks. Oh well. But it was exhausting- would be so much easier if some things were mandated and we didn’t feel like the odd man standing out when we are just doing our part!

Mags, I stand in solidarity with you!

 

[otto]

Really, some think it will peak in 3 weeks.

Some finance paper published that it will peak in April. The idea is that it has been around for 2 months, it peaked in China after about 2 months, it leaked out of China in February, so April it peaks in the rest of the world and then it's all done.

This started in December, and it's now March. China has had some reduction in new cases, but we don't know that it has peaked until recovered numbers consistently go up, new cases go down, and factual numbers are released. We don't know that it has peaked until we are sure that mutated strains are not right behind the first strain.

I disagree with 3 weeks until it peaks around the world, but, some people think the virus is overblown hype.

 

[Sillybilly]

Oh, and just found out on this link below, if you scroll past the international figures, at the bottom of that long list, you can click on USA and if you scroll up after clicking USA, it gives totals for each city. Again, they sometimes are a little late like a day or so to catch up with the breaking state news, but they usually get them pretty close and fairly quickly for US.

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

Thanks Hatfield. The above link is contained in the WS MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION* thread which is linked in the opening post of each thread.

 

[otto]

I contacted my physiotherapist regarding virtual consultations until the virus blows over. He was away ill for the last two days - he was in Maui two weeks ago, right after the infected Japanese couple were asymptomatic in Maui. Hope he's not sick like that.

I'm sure he's never done virtual consults before. I suspect he has more patients who would prefer to avoid gym germ environments. I would like to test the interface as an effective option.

 

[badgersmythe]

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[badgersmythe]

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