Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #16

[SkylarSid]

Direct your guests to the powder room or kitchen and ask them to wash their hands thoroughly. I would

I have hand sanitizer in my front entrance and am asking people to use it.

 

[gngr~snap]

No. Because the scale of the quarantine would be untenable and lead to a much huger problem than the virus running its course. I don't think quarantine is reasonable in the US whatsoever.

They will be quarantined here in Georiga! A tr least the people coming from the Grand Princess will.
Cruise ship passengers to be quarantined at two military bases; US Army stops troops moving to and from South Korea, Italy for new assignments

 

[Sundog]

I can’t seem to find any here in my part of the U.K. it’s not that they’re sold out they just don’t seem to stock them. I’ll keep searching.

I wonder if they have them on line, the brand that I bought was called "Cold Eeze" and they had another brand called "Zicam" and they are in the cold remedy section of the grocery stores here in the U.S. I will only take them if I start to have any symptoms because they can be toxic, and also can't be taken if you take certain medications.

 

[Herat]

I must admit that I'm a little disheartened about Princess Cruises taking a major media hit in the wake of the COVID-19 crisis. Since 2002, DH and I have sailed exclusively on Princess - 21 cruises to date. We like the understated elegance of Princess ships and the relaxed, quiet ambiance. Princess ships don't have ice rinks, water slides, go-kart tracks, rock-climbing walls, etc. that one finds on other lines. While there are dedicated children's/teens' centers, we rarely see more than a handful of children or teens on our cruises that are usually when school is in session.

Princess tends to attract "older" guests, so I'm thinking that this might be the reason that Princess ships are prone to COVID-19 outbreaks. There have been comments that refer to Princess vessels as "floating nursing homes" due to the high number of older passengers, many using walkers, wheelchairs, and scooters.

If you look at the TripAdvisor Cruise Forum, you see a substantial number of people refusing to give up their cruises. Of all varieties.

If 100% of people on all cruises were tested, I think you would find the same % of people tested positive, across all ages.

However, those with a higher proportion of "at-risk" people are going to have more that actually have infections ( mild, moderate, or even severe) rather than just being colonized.

My guess only. And we don't yet understand why this outbreak is not affecting children in the same way other respiratory virus outbreaks do.

 

[firebird]

They will be quarantined here in Georiga! A tr least the people coming from the Grand Princess will.
Cruise ship passengers to be quarantined at two military bases; US Army stops troops moving to and from South Korea, Italy for new assignments

Totally different than trying to quarantine the average joe going about his business. I'm not talking about quarantining people on the cruise ships. That's rather easy and unimpactful, overall, actually -- except to the cruisers and the cruise lines. jmo

 

[branmuffin]

FCO CHANGES ITALY TRAVEL ADVICE

The UK foreign office have issued new travel advice for Italy as coronavirus cases have snowballed in the region.

Brits are now advised against all but essential travel.

But UK nationals will STILL be able to return home from the country without restriction.

Italy now has the second-highest infection rate globally with a 25 per cent spike in cases and 133 new deaths overnight.

Coronavirus UK updates LIVE: NHS may be forced to CANCEL operations as UK cases hits 273

It is insanity that the U.K government is allowing people to return from Italy without restrictions given the number of people ill and deceased in Italy. People returning from Italy should be quarantined.[/QUOTE]

You can still travel freely in the EU. You can drive from Italy to France and take a ferry to UK or drive through to the Netherlands or Belgium. Conversely you can take a flight from anywhere in Europe and lie about where you have been, if asked. Your passport will not show your movement.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Latest update from Regal Princess passengers: Ship is still "adrift" offshore near Miami. They are awaiting an announcement from the Captain about COVID-19 test results. Guests have full access to ship, but many people only have their hand luggage because large bags were picked up last night for disembarkation. Dining venues taking precautions similar to Norovirus outbreaks.

 

[margarita25]

As a hint, Stridex Medicated Pads with Salicylic Acid ( the kind used for Acne treatment) are very effective in stopping underarm odor. They kill the bacteria.

Use 2-3 x a week after a shower and before deodorant. They aren't antiperspirant, but really help cut down on odor, assuming you shave your armpits.

However I don't think they should be used as hand wipes for SARS-CoV-2.

Good to know. We are learning so much here. I appreciate the tips, and so do my (lack of) peers; however I already decided this is the best way for “social distancing”, remember? (thanks @zecats)
(Haha zecats is like “don’t blame that one on me! ).

Anyway...I’m one of these granola folks that gave up aluminum to the armpits a long time ago, so I’ve been using the natural kinds for years, Crystal, etc. , which are fine imo. (Of course that was before a global health crisis ) Seriously, this is good to know about the wipes. Unfortunately margarita has exceeded her budget so it’s rock and roll from here. I’m sure we’ll be sharing tips with each other. I hope we can.

God Speed.
God Speed (painting) - Wikipedia

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ETA / Wow. That was dramatic.

But for real. Rock and Roll, (kind of like “Let’s Roll”, I suppose).

Group hug across the internet and positive vibes for everyone here. This could be a rocky ride.


Or maybe I’m being totally over dramatic? I can tell you according to my local assessments that 75% of people in America would probably
say yes to that question! And you know what? That’s fine too, because I have NO PROBLEM being in that 25% percent. My question is for those 75%, how many of you have been studying the situation day and night for two months? Furthermore, those in that 75%, I’m afraid it’s the lack of education that’s going to make the situation worse.

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ETA2:

“We must stand together in solidarity”.

ETA3
And you know what else? In the infinite Wuhan and other videos I’ve ...one thing I’ve never seen, now that I unfortunately HAVE think about it, is any such “resistance” to the potential of the virus’ severity or impact.
(ETA: That last sentence was for you, Dr. Mike: :virtual kisses: )

 

[Herat]

University of Utah health

At the U of U Hospital, we put up our negative pressure Emergency Department screening tent. In the event of an outbreak, we can screen patients in this free-standing facility without risk of spread to our staff & patients. We will put up more tents in the coming weeks if needed. University of Utah Health on Twitter

We are doing a lot of work with U of U and they are always immensely well prepared. They have great leadership and a very tough work ethic.

We are waiting to see how they handle their first seriously ill patients.

 

[Herat]

Just checking in with everyone. I’m taking Tylenol for the fever, expectorant when needed. Feeling exhausted when I’m awake.
I don’t have the symptoms for someone with the virus. No sore throat. But some coughing. Just this fever, headache and feeling run down.
Please excuse me for yesterday. I normally don’t feel sorry for myself but after watching the local news and hearing about more deaths it was too much yesterday.

Everyone thank you for your concern on how I feel. We have a great group of people here.

I don't usually go in for homeopathic-type stuff, but have you considered taking a Zinc / Elderberry type syrup or lozenge? It does seem to have a beneficial effect in shortening colds

Thank you for keeping us updated. Sending you some nice hot tea to keep you cozy and comfortable.

 

[Henry2326]

No. Because the scale of the quarantine would be untenable and lead to a much huger problem than the virus running its course. I don't think quarantine is reasonable in the US whatsoever.

In total, I agree.....but specific exceptions could be achieved. I think it more likely that our politicians don't have the guts for the difficult decisions. We will see. If Seattle doesn't do, then all chance of anyone else doing it are slim....

 

[branmuffin]

You can still travel freely in the EU. You can drive from Italy to France and take a ferry to UK or drive through to the Netherlands or Belgium. Conversely you can take a flight from anywhere in Europe and lie about where you have been, if asked. Your passport will not show your movement.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure why my responses aren't bracketing the quote. My answer is to the person who suggested UK quarantine returning Brits who have visited Italy. There is no way to monitor this.

 

[Herat]

I would say, preparing for civil unrest.

That will happen when the beer runs out.

 

[Henry2326]

New Chicago coronavirus case is of unknown origin. Male in 60s, in serious condition.
(from press conference)
Steve Lookner on Twitter

 

[Henry2326]

14 days ago, Italy had fewer coronavirus cases than we do today. They employed similar public health measures to us. Now they have >7000 cases (366 deaths). Unless I'm missing something, this is us in a fortnight. Hopefully we won't wait that long before doing something more.
Adam Kay on Twitter

 

[Henry2326]

That's concerning.....

Just landed in London from Milan. Zero checks. No info. How can it be possible? #COVID2019 Federico Gatti on Twitter
Federico Gatti on Twitter

 

[zecats]

So between @gitana1 's garlic bulb chewing and @margarita25 's absence of deodorant, I think we may be onto a way to have folks social distance from us.


In all seriousness, though, total quarantine in a country such as the US would be a tremendous challenge. Italy has already had "escapees" and early departees from the red zone, so there goes the viability of a true quarantine. It is up to us personally to isolate ourselves from others if we are sick. And if we are worried of becoming sick. And if we don't wish to cause others to become sick. Hopefully enough people with realize this and just do it.

 

[Henry2326]

NEW: France bans gatherings of more than 1,000 people due to coronavirus - AFP
BNO Newsroom on Twitter

 

[margarita25]

Not-so-random musing:

The good thing about panic attacks is that they usually only last about thirty minutes.

 

[Herat]

I'm actually concerned about what happens when the Meth runs out.

It's ubiquitous. Every day our police blotters are full of traffic arrests that have been using meth. And they are usually drinking, have a firearm, and a substantial number are ex-cons.