Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #4

[Tadpole12]

Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus | The Star


Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus
Feb 13, 2020

"Nose and throat swabs taken from the man since he was released from Sunnybrook two weeks ago continue to show traces of coronavirus in both him and his wife, who was never hospitalized."
...

"There is some genetic material or viral material left in the individual specimens," Dr Vanessa Allen of Public Health Ontario said Thursday.
"We don't know than means, whether that's live or dead virus" Allen said.
There's a component of the virus in those specimens and the criteria that have been laid out are being followed, that we require two negative specimens until we understand more of what that means."

Those tests must be taken at least 24 hours apart."

("couple returned from China Jan 22",
"the man is in his 50s and has some other health conditions that could impair his ability to shed the virus")

 

[What if...]

Sound familiar????
___________________________

Back in 2017, a team of researchers at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in Baltimore looked at that question. In the past, pathogens like Ebola and Zika virus were the most likely to alarm the public, but according to the research those pathogens are unlikely to cause a global pandemic disaster.

Instead, the report said that viruses that are spread through the air — including those like the common cold virus — pose the largest threat of becoming a pandemic.

The report suggests that in addition to the pathogen having to be airborne, it would need the following traits to truly be able to be a global pandemic/killer:

• The pathogen would have to be contagious during the “incubation period,” or when people have only mild symptoms.
• It would be a microbe that most people are not immune to, giving it a large population of susceptible hosts.
• It wouldn’t have an existing treatment, vaccine or prevention method.
• It would have a “low but significant” fatality rate — A pathogen with a high fatality rate could kill too many hosts too quickly, and therefore run out of people to spread it further.

The study claimed that a group of viruses known as RNA viruses have the highest likelihood of causing a global pandemic crisis. This includes viruses like the flu (influenza) and SARS, but also things like the common cold.

Pandemic Outbreaks: How and When to Prepare for a Pandemic

Well I don’t think the description could get much closer! But if we add in some of the other factors that have been confirmed, or hypothesized - it only adds fuel to the speculation...

• A fairly high (possibly very high) R0 factor
• Longer than average incubation period
• Longer than average life span on solid objects
• Longer than average time to death or recovery (longer hospital stay = fewer available beds)
• Recovered patients may still be contagious for an unknown period of time
• Recovered patients could possibly be re-infected
• And let’s not forget that it can be spread through “fecal mist”

I’m sure I’ve missed some, but IMOO, there’s enough information to validate concern.

I’ll also add that I’m not yet convinced that the mortality rate is below 3%. I know it’s way too early to accurately calculate, but the mortality rate should ultimately be calculated by comparison of deaths to recovered. As of right now, the numbers are running way above 3%.
Just my opinion based on observation.

 

[What if...]

Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus | The Star


Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus
Feb 13, 2020

"Nose and throat swabs taken from the man since he was released from Sunnybrook two weeks ago continue to show traces of coronavirus in both him and his wife, who was never hospitalized."
...

"There is some genetic material or viral material left in the individual specimens," Dr Vanessa Allen of Public Health Ontario said Thursday.
"We don't know than means, whether that's live or dead virus" Allen said.
There's a component of the virus in those specimens and the criteria that have been laid out are being followed, that we require two negative specimens until we understand more of what that means."

Those tests must be taken at least 24 hours apart."

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Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus
Feb 13, 2020

"Nose and throat swabs taken from the man since he was released from Sunnybrook two weeks ago continue to show traces of coronavirus in both him and his wife, who was never hospitalized."
...

"There is some genetic material or viral material left in the individual specimens," Dr Vanessa Allen of Public Health Ontario said Thursday.
"We don't know than means, whether that's live or dead virus" Allen said.
There's a component of the virus in those specimens and the criteria that have been laid out are being followed, that we require two negative specimens until we understand more of what that means."

Those tests must be taken at least 24 hours apart."

 

[Tadpole12]

Coronavirus Live Updates: China Says 1,700 Medical Workers Have Been Infected

Feb 14, 2020
NY Times
Coronavirus Live Updates China says 1,700 Medical Workers Have Been Infected

(Oh ya, saw video of medical workers, who I assume "volunteered",
getting real short-short haircuts and some having their heads shaved bald to eliminate possible contamination)

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Coronavirus Live Updates: China Seeks Plasma Donors to Develop Treatment

The government wants to use the antibodies of recovered coronavirus patients to help develop a treatment for those who are still sick.

Coronavirus Live Updates: China Seeks Plasma Donors to Develop Treatment

I really hope this helps treat the people sick with the virus.

This was done with success for the woman Ebola patient that flew back to Emory iirc. Interesting indeed. I hope they have great success with this.

 

[Tadpole12]

Do none of you websleuths think that it's amazingly weird that 50 million people are in quarantine...and we hear nothing?
Really?

No. The information lock down has begun.
Fang Bin was said to have been taken on the 10th,
same day as Chen Qiushi was quarantined.

Also, Iirc $71 offered to report anyone with a fever?
In China.
(ty dixie)

 

[beatrixpotter]

Passenger with suspected coronavirus lands at Heathrow

Isn't their handling of the situation "reassuring"?

 

[Tadpole12]

This was done with success for the woman Ebola patient that flew back to Emory iirc. Interesting indeed. I hope they have great success with this.

I was wondering if the communist Leaders would be the first to receive antibody type therapy.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

No. The information lock down has begun.
Fang Bin was said to have been taken on the 10th,
same day as Chen Qiushi was quarantined.

Also, Iirc $71 offered to report anyone with a fevet?
Was that in NK or China?

cut/paste from previous post, it was China

BNO Newsroom
@BNODesk
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Huangzhou District, which is part of Huanggang and close to Wuhan, has issued a 500 yuan ($71) reward for anyone who reports a person suffering from fever

 

[Tadpole12]

Isn't their handling of the situation "reassuring"?

Like the shape of things to come?

 

[beatrixpotter]

Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus | The Star


Ontario couple have recovered but are still testing positive for coronavirus
Feb 13, 2020

"Nose and throat swabs taken from the man since he was released from Sunnybrook two weeks ago continue to show traces of coronavirus in both him and his wife, who was never hospitalized."
...

"There is some genetic material or viral material left in the individual specimens," Dr Vanessa Allen of Public Health Ontario said Thursday.
"We don't know than means, whether that's live or dead virus" Allen said.
There's a component of the virus in those specimens and the criteria that have been laid out are being followed, that we require two negative specimens until we understand more of what that means."

Those tests must be taken at least 24 hours apart."

("couple returned from China Jan 22",
"the man is in his 50s and has some other health conditions that could impair his ability to shed the virus")

Gah. I wonder how they figure out how long they are contagious then? Shedding viruses for weeks after recovery sounds pretty darn bad.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

• Singapore has reported nine new coronavirus cases – its biggest daily increase, according to the Straits Times. The new cases take Singapore’s virus tally to 67. Six of the new cases are linked to the Grace Assembly of God church which is now the biggest cluster of cases in Singapore with 13 in total.
  
• One of the people diagnosed with coronavirus in the UK attended a central London conference with more than 200 delegates, PA reports. The person, who has not been named, attended the UK Bus Summit at the QEII Centre in Westminster on 6 February.
• Authorities in Taiwan have put out an appeal to locate three people who travelled from Hong Kong to Taipei on February 8 and who went missing during home quarantine.Xinqi Su, an AFP correspondent in Hong Kong, has tweeted that authorities in the Taiwanese capital has publicised information about the individuals and asked the public to help search for them.
• Japan’s NHK public television network said that a female taxi driver on the southern island of Okinawa had tested positive for the virus, and the chances were high she had contact with passengers from the ship (e.d. Princess) during a February 1 call at a port.
• In broader medical news, generic drugmakers from India may face shortages and price hikes due to the knock-on effect of the Covid-19 outbreak, analysts say.Indian companies procure almost 70% of their active pharmaceutical ingredients from China, Reuters report.
• And more on cruises, Royal Caribbean – whose ships have not yet been hit by either a Covid-19 case or Covid-19 scare – is still cancelling 18 of its cruises. As reported by Bloomberg News, this will reduce its earnings by 65 US cents a share this year.
• Hong Kong will give handouts worth HK$25 billion (£2.4m) to hospitals and businesses in a bid to revive the city’s ailing economy which has been hit by the coronavirus outbreak. Announcing the relief package earlier, Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam said the government would give HK$4.7 billion (£460m) to the Hospital Authority, as well as other one-off payments to businesses – including restaurants and travel agents – hurt by the spread of the disease.

Coronavirus latest updates: China cuts death toll after 'double-counting' – live news

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Sound familiar????
___________________________

Back in 2017, a team of researchers at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in Baltimore looked at that question. In the past, pathogens like Ebola and Zika virus were the most likely to alarm the public, but according to the research those pathogens are unlikely to cause a global pandemic disaster.

Instead, the report said that viruses that are spread through the air — including those like the common cold virus — pose the largest threat of becoming a pandemic.

The report suggests that in addition to the pathogen having to be airborne, it would need the following traits to truly be able to be a global pandemic/killer:

• The pathogen would have to be contagious during the “incubation period,” or when people have only mild symptoms.
• It would be a microbe that most people are not immune to, giving it a large population of susceptible hosts.
• It wouldn’t have an existing treatment, vaccine or prevention method.
• It would have a “low but significant” fatality rate — A pathogen with a high fatality rate could kill too many hosts too quickly, and therefore run out of people to spread it further.

The study claimed that a group of viruses known as RNA viruses have the highest likelihood of causing a global pandemic crisis. This includes viruses like the flu (influenza) and SARS, but also things like the common cold.

Pandemic Outbreaks: How and When to Prepare for a Pandemic

Well I don’t think the description could get much closer! But if we add in some of the other factors that have been confirmed, or hypothesized - it only adds fuel to the speculation...

• A fairly high (possibly very high) R0 factor
• Longer than average incubation period
• Longer than average life span on solid objects
• Longer than average time to death or recovery (longer hospital stay = fewer available beds)
• Recovered patients may still be contagious for an unknown period of time
• Recovered patients could possibly be re-infected
• And let’s not forget that it can be spread through “fecal mist”

I’m sure I’ve missed some, but IMOO, there’s enough information to validate concern.

I’ll also add that I’m not yet convinced that the mortality rate is below 3%. I know it’s way too early to accurately calculate, but the mortality rate should ultimately be calculated by comparison of deaths to recovered. As of right now, the numbers are running way above 3%.
Just my opinion based on observation.

I'll add another one to y'alls list of a bad virus... One that, in some people, creates a "typhoid Mary" type where the person "recovers" but carries the virus to shed for a long time or forever

 

[mickey2942]

I'll add another one to y'alls list of a bad virus... One that, in some people, creates a "typhoid Mary" type where the person "recovers" but carries the virus to shed for a long time or forever

Great. There are not that many islands left to put "Super TM's". Molokai used to be an island for people who had leprosy. There is always Alcatraz, that could be changed to a "Corona Island". Angel Island is available as well, ironically used historically for Asian immigrants.
History « Angel Island Conservancy

Let's hope that this virus doesn't prove to be that powerful.

 

[asyousay]

It’s time for the U.K to ban all flights from China and Asia.


All this rubbish advice of if you feel ill then self isolate is completely ridiculous as you are spreading the disease before symptoms even show up so by that point you could of already infected 100’s of people.

Imo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

David and Sally Abel are not doing well emotionally. They have had enough. They are pleading for Richard Branson to help. They talk about Alan and Wendy in the hospital, and Alan is fed up with the lack of communication with the doctors, and the inconsistant/faulty test results. My heart goes out to them in this very long video.

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[Windsorite]

Coronavirus: The worst-case scenario - Macleans.ca

 

[Medstudies]

No. The information lock down has begun.
Fang Bin was said to have been taken on the 10th,
same day as Chen Qiushi was quarantined.

Also, Iirc $71 offered to report anyone with a fever?
In China.
(ty dixie)

Around 500MILLION people in China are on lockdown because of coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

And the lockdown is now 500 million .


“The figure is more than the entire population of the US (330million) and is the equivalent to roughly 6.5 per cent of the world's population.

At least 48 cities and four provinces across China – including the epicentre of Wuhan and Hubei – have issued official notices for lockdown policies.”

Under China's Coronavirus Lockdown, Millions Have Nowhere to Go
“as of Friday, at least 48 cities and four provinces in China have issued official notices for lockdown policies, with measures ranging from "closed-off management", where residents of a community have to be registered before they are allowed in or out, to restrictions that shut down highways, railways and public transport systems.


(Click here Under China’s lockdown, millions have nowhere to go. to see an interactive graphic depicting the scale of China's lockdown due to the recent coronavirus.)”

(Reuters graphics and full details of lockdown specifics)

https://tmsnrt.rs/39xdhrT

 

[Hatfield]

Great. There are not that many islands left to put "Super TM's". Molokai used to be an island for people who had leprosy. There is always Alcatraz, that could be changed to a "Corona Island". Angel Island is available as well, ironically used historically for Asian immigrants.
History « Angel Island Conservancy

Let's hope that this virus doesn't prove to be that powerful.

"Corona Island" has a nice ring to it.

Lets hope it doesnt come to that. One thing that has really bothered me about the way the Princess Cruise passenger cases have gone up is I dont think they have really figured out exactly how the new passengers were catching it if locked in their rooms. It would really pay off to try to determine exactly how the newer infectees were catching it. Like if it was through the air vents or air getting through cracks around the doors or something. Or if it was the staff bringing them the food. The more we can learn about how this thing transmits itself to others the better we can learn how to prevent catching it.

Maybe its too difficult to determine exactly how. Wish the WHO would get a couple people on board that ship to fully investigate the transmission method for the newer ship cases.

 

[Hatfield]

David and Sally Abel are not doing well emotionally. They have had enough. They are pleading for Richard Branson to help. They talk about Alan and Wendy in the hospital, and Alan is fed up with the lack of communication with the doctors, and the inconsistant/faulty test results. My heart goes out to them in this very long video.

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Gosh. Sad and not surprising that they have hit their breaking point.

Now imagine all the people in China who are on lock down in Hubei Province. They are likely getting to that breaking point too. There is only so much a human can handle without starting to lose it emotionally.
Then when you think about children trying to handle this emotionally, it is even worse.

The emotional impact and scars from this terrible virus is going to have lasting effects and especially on the children.

A lot of us remember Nuclear Bomb Air Raid drills that we had to do in school. And those were just fake air raid drills. It left emotional impact on many of us. Now multiply that by 100 for the children having to go through lockdown in China. It is very upsetting to think about.