Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #4

[dixiegirl1035]

But I’ve read ultraviolet light doesn’t kill the virus?

It was my understanding from reading that UV is not good to use on your body/skin and not recommended, but I had read that UV did work for other viruses and expected to kill this one on inanimate objects- yet it hadn't been tested, just commonly accepted.

Lemme go down a rabbit hole... back in a bit. Do you have an article where it states it doesn't kill the virus that I could take a peak at?

ETA - I cannot find "proof" of the UV working, as studies would have to be done for "proof". Again, generally accepted way of killing other ones... and then letting the money sit for 14 days. I did find this re don't use for skin at the WHO site Myth busters

 

[Windsorite]

I can't understand why this isn't news in the US. No one wants to hear about it even in general conversation.

MOO

I think in order to engage with the conversation:
1. People need to have at least a basic understanding of the 1918 Flu Pandemic and the idea
as discussed earlier in this thread about the Cytokine Storm, meaning a true Pandemic will kill
even otherwise healthy people.
2. They need to get past the date of 1918 and the basic assumption that overall hygiene is
much improved and therefore it can't happen again.
3. They need to have a reason to feel they have a personal vulnerability.

I know my interest comes from:
a, my partner has an underlying medical issue, as do his elderly parents.
b, we (my partner and I) are scheduled to travel to the Caribbean in mid-April (we have paid in full but have cancellation insurance)
c, I have one child in University and one in college where I know there are many international
students. The one living in residence in University lives almost 4 hours from home, and
much closer to the area where we have already experienced cases in our province.

 

[Tadpole12]

I can't seem to find any live feed for Today's daily WHO press briefing in searching google and YouTube. If someone else finds a live link, please post as they usually start at 10 am eastern, in 15 minutes.

TIA

Heyya dixie,
looked around but to no avail.
Is there a scheduled briefing today?

Also thanks for all your efforts wrt to pressers

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Heyya dixie,
looked around but to no avail.
Is there a scheduled briefing today?

Also thanks for all your efforts wrt to pressers

Didn't find one. They've been doing daily and on weekends, but guess they didn't do one today?

 

[MJPeony]

Didn't find one. They've been doing daily and on weekends, but guess they didn't do one today?

Is this from today? I can’t seem to tell.

WHO director calls on global leaders to 'stop stigma and hate' amid coronavirus epidemic

 

[Wicked Strong]

I think this has already been posted before but I couldn't read the story because I'm not a subscriber.

US Embassy: Americans aboard quarantined ship to fly home

This is good news, however, another 2 weeks in quarantine must be certainly hard when they were originally supposed to be out of quarantine on Feb 19th? I imagine it will be great to be a little closer to home though.

ETA another link from Travis AF Base

Travis Air Force Base Prepares Coronavirus Airlift Of Diamond Princess Passengers

From this article it sounds like it's either come back to another quarantine on these flights, or not be allowed entry to the US for a period of time?

MOO

 

[MJPeony]

Apologies for power posts, I’m still stuck on this cruise ship in Cambodia:

Coronavirus: US passenger from Westerdam ship infected, Malaysia confirms

“The ship arrived at an anchoring point in the port of Sihanoukville early on Thursday morning to allow Cambodian officials to board and collect samples from passengers with any signs of ill health or flu-like symptoms......

All the fluid samples came back negative for the coronavirus, Cambodian authorities said.

Passengers began disembarking from Sihanoukville on Friday, and were expected to have been sent on their way by Sunday.
....
Malaysian health authorities said airport screening discovered the US couple to have “symptoms”.
.....
Before arriving in Cambodia, the ship’s operator, US-based Holland America Line, repeatedly stated that there were no suspected cases of virus infection on board.“

So blood tests negative and then airport screening happened to catch this one.

My confidence in accurate testing for this virus just took a nose dive.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Is this from today? I can’t seem to tell.

WHO director calls on global leaders to 'stop stigma and hate' amid coronavirus epidemic

Thanks, that was yesterday he said that (see transcript notes above from about 10 yesterday here)

 

[Trino]

MOO

I think in order to engage with the conversation:
1. People need to have at least a basic understanding of the 1918 Flu Pandemic and the idea
as discussed earlier in this thread about the Cytokine Storm, meaning a true Pandemic will kill
even otherwise healthy people.
2. They need to get past the date of 1918 and the basic assumption that overall hygiene is
much improved and therefore it can't happen again.
3. They need to have a reason to feel they have a personal vulnerability.

I know my interest comes from:
a, my partner has an underlying medical issue, as do his elderly parents.
b, we (my partner and I) are scheduled to travel to the Caribbean in mid-April (we have paid in full but have cancellation insurance)
c, I have one child in University and one in college where I know there are many international
students. The one living in residence in University lives almost 4 hours from home, and
much closer to the area where we have already experienced cases in our province.

The US Government IMO isn't doing enough to educate the public on the virus. Most people are ignoring the fact that it's coming to the US in a big way. The president saying heat will kill it certainly hasn't helped. The CDC saying wash is not really informing the public about what to expect. Seems those concerned are at city and county levels, and even those do not have coordinated views. Could it be there is more interest in keeping financial organizations stable? This should be the #1 story splashed across the news. It kills. And, it kills all ages.

 

[AStartoSteerBy]

It was my understanding from reading that UV is not good to use on your body/skin and not recommended, but I had read that UV did work for other viruses and expected to kill this one on inanimate objects- yet it hadn't been tested, just commonly accepted.

I cannot find "proof" of the UV working, as studies would have to be done for "proof". Again, generally accepted way of killing other ones... and then letting the money sit for 14 days. I did find this re don't use for skin at the WHO site Myth busters

Effect of Ultraviolet Germicidal Irradiation on Viral Aerosols
Christopher M Walker 1, Gwangpyo Ko
PMID: 29959245 PMCID: PMC6102977 DOI: 10.1128/AEM.00944-18

"Our objectives were to characterize the effect of nebulization and air sampling on the survival of important viral pathogens, quantitatively characterize and estimate the UV susceptibility of pathogenic viral aerosols, and evaluate the effect of relative humidity (RH) on the susceptibility of viral aerosols, to 254 nm UV-C.
The susceptibility of coronavirus aerosols was 7-10 times that of the MS2 and adenovirus aerosols. Unlike bacterial aerosols, there was no significant protective effect of high RH on UV susceptibility of the tested viral aerosols. We confirmed that the UV disinfection rate differs greatly between viral aerosols and viruses suspended in liquid."
BBM

UVC LED Irradiation Effectively Inactivates Aerosolized Viruses, Bacteria, and Fungi in a Chamber-Type Air Disinfection System
Do-Kyun Kim Dong-Hyun Kang PMID: 29959245 PMCID: PMC610297 DOI: 10.1128/AEM.00944-18
UVC LED array treatment effectively inactivated viral infectivity, achieving 5-log reductions within 45 mJ/cm2 for MS2, Qβ, and ϕX174 viruses. (UBM)
The research reported here investigated the inactivation effect of aerosolized microorganisms, including viruses, bacteria, and fungi, with an UVC LED module.
____________
MOO

Fascinating subject the efficacy of UV disinfection on viruses...

UV-C disinfection has proven effective for various viruses, bacteria, and fungi. From what I understand, the known coronavirus strains (2007) were more susceptible to UV-C.
However, the current variant may respond differently.

There's research suggesting that the lifecycle stage/replication stage when the virus is exposed to UV-C impacts the efficacy. So, theoretically early infection versus later infection would make a difference in the filtering system?

Interesting thought about how relative humidity could influence disinfection? Anybody have thoughts about the spread with increased humidity? Pollution levels already filtered through other filters within systems?

Could a too rigorous UV-C disinfection inadvertently cause an overgrowth of of organisms (viral, bacterial, or fungal) less susceptible to UV-C? Could too rigorous disinfection of UV-C cause strains that are resistant to UV-C to have the opportunity to replicate faster?

Admittedly, these scenarios are unlikely. Decreasing the viral load is most likely beneficial.
Just random thoughts and questions for discussion...

 

[Henry2326]

MOO

I think in order to engage with the conversation:
1. People need to have at least a basic understanding of the 1918 Flu Pandemic and the idea
as discussed earlier in this thread about the Cytokine Storm, meaning a true Pandemic will kill
even otherwise healthy people.
2. They need to get past the date of 1918 and the basic assumption that overall hygiene is
much improved and therefore it can't happen again.
3. They need to have a reason to feel they have a personal vulnerability.

I know my interest comes from:
a, my partner has an underlying medical issue, as do his elderly parents.
b, we (my partner and I) are scheduled to travel to the Caribbean in mid-April (we have paid in full but have cancellation insurance)
c, I have one child in University and one in college where I know there are many international
students. The one living in residence in University lives almost 4 hours from home, and
much closer to the area where we have already experienced cases in our province.

Wonder what will happen when CDC begins reporting escalated confirmed cases from the testing they are starting? Might be the catalyst.....

 

[MJPeony]

Wonder what will happen when CDC begins reporting escalated confirmed cases from the testing they are starting? Might be the catalyst.....

That’s a good question. And I haven’t found anything specific as to when these tests will start. Just “will begin testing....”

I also haven’t figured out if this is being done only within technical city limits, or if it will be implemented in surrounding counties. For example, here in Santa Clara County we have 2 confirmed cases. But we are by definition technically not in San Francisco city limits.

 

[ARE]

We keep hearing about “asymptotic cases” that just happen to be diagnosed by testing that’s allegedly *not* been done because of symptoms.

I’ve also read that symptoms are mild for approximately 7 days before respiratory distress happens.

What I’m wondering is
-at what point is the viral load *detectible*

-at what point does the viral load begin to show symptoms in the patient.

-when the viral load is still detectible in a clinically recovered patient, is it transmissible?

In other words, how many patients that are asymptotic become symptomatic later?

I think the real key here is that the medical establishment will be unable to keep up with severe cases. Both in terms of medication and bed space.

I have 5 kids in a very rural area with limited healthcare options. I’m real time panicking here. I feel there’s been a lot of misinformation and a lot of unjustified “downplaying” and many governments that aren’t acting as decisively as they should be.

 

[Henry2326]

That’s a good question. And I haven’t found anything specific as to when these tests will start. Just “will begin testing....”

I also haven’t figured out if this is being done only within technical city limits, or if it will be implemented in surrounding counties. For example, here in Santa Clara County we have 2 confirmed cases. But we are by definition technically not in San Francisco city limits.

It will be interesting to see if they roll in Santa Clara County. I would if I were them just from your point that cases have occurred there.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Apologies for power posts, I’m still stuck on this cruise ship in Cambodia:

Coronavirus: US passenger from Westerdam ship infected, Malaysia confirms

“The ship arrived at an anchoring point in the port of Sihanoukville early on Thursday morning to allow Cambodian officials to board and collect samples from passengers with any signs of ill health or flu-like symptoms......

All the fluid samples came back negative for the coronavirus, Cambodian authorities said.

Passengers began disembarking from Sihanoukville on Friday, and were expected to have been sent on their way by Sunday.
....
Malaysian health authorities said airport screening discovered the US couple to have “symptoms”.
.....
Before arriving in Cambodia, the ship’s operator, US-based Holland America Line, repeatedly stated that there were no suspected cases of virus infection on board.“

So blood tests negative and then airport screening happened to catch this one.

My confidence in accurate testing for this virus just took a nose dive.

I don't think you are power posting at all. I appreciate when someone does many in a row on different articles as it's needed MOO. And so many here have different sources that they are following to contribute. Keep it up as we need to learn from others that are researching and keeping us all up to date. Thanks!

Hmmmm, makes me think. There are about 11 "standard" links that I check daily. Perhaps to post such in one post so that when the next thread is opened, one post can give those standard links? e.g. links

1. Johns Hopkins site dashboard Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS
   
2. BNO site Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
3. BNO twitter Twitter
   
4. Daily situation reports from the WHO Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) situation reports
5. Guardian rolling updates (changes each day though) Coronavirus: first fatality in Europe confirmed - live updates
6. World O meter graphics Coronavirus Update (Live): 67,193 Cases and 1,527 Deaths from the Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
7. CDC main page on virus 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
   
8. CDC press page Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)
9. WHO coronavirus main page Coronavirus
10. WHO press briefings archive page Press briefings
11. Wuhan airport traffic (Whoa, a few going out today, one to Italy) Wuhan Tianhe Airport (Wuhan, Hubei) ZHHH / WUH Flight Tracker ✈ FlightAware

Does anyone else have others to add?

ETA
Maritime Resources | Quarantine | CDC
Interim Guidance for Ships on Managing Suspected Coronavirus Disease 2019 | Quarantine | CDC
2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Risk Assessment
2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) For business owners

 

[tabitha111]

A passage that goes along the lines of what we were discussing about being prepared. From an excellent document that I have printed out, even though its dated, it is one of the best out there describing supply chain issues, etc. Written for the flu- but you can substitute SARS-2 in that case....

"Whether or not they are actually sick with the flu, it is likely that several million poor people will be flat broke and starving within a week, so they are sure to go to police stations, government offices, churches, and schools in search of assistance. When they discover that nobody is able to help them, panic will set in and there will be civil disturbances and property crimes (remember New Orleans). Some of these people will merely go from door to door begging for handouts, but others will try to steal what they need from wherever they can. To make matters worse, within a couple of weeks, millions of these people will have full-blown cases of the flu, and there will be no safe means of handling the sick and the dying, or their corpses. Surely, any location with low-income housing will be hell on Earth.

Although it might seem reasonable to believe that people at higher income levels will fare substantially better than the poor, that is not necessarily going to be the case. In fact this same panic-despair scenario will eventually unfold in every neighborhood"

from Becoming Self-Sufficient
http://tinyurl.com/lr4x9c

 

[Wicked Strong]

Sorry for repeated postings, but I just read this in my local news

Woman under coronavirus quarantine moved to hospital at Camp Ashland as precaution

It does sound like the person has developed only a mild cough at this time, but they are treating this with overabundance of caution. I also read on another website that the 15th confirmed case in the US was a person that was on the same plane with the group that is now being quarantined at Camp Ashland.

 

[mickey2942]

There are a few other countries that haven't reported cases yet in Europe, but the projections there say that, like S. America and Indonesia, it's likely to happen at some point.

Hawaii is another state that hasn't yet had a case, isn't it?

I am wondering if the strain of the virus weakens further away from the initial souce. My friend had a touch of flu the other day, fever, headache, cough. Who knows? Could have been "Coronavirus"? I doubt anyone would have tested her. Most people who are sick with the flu don't see a doctor, they stay home, drink OJ, and dose up with OTC meds until it runs it's course.

 

[galiuro1]

I think that the govt and the news, yeah, are more concerned with the financial stability than they are with the people. Mainly because, well money and power...and also because no one reallly knows what can be done. And so lots of folks are in denial and a few perhaps simply in acceptance of their ability to do nothing? I'm trying to be in the latter as yeah, while I have some stores of food, its not much, I don't have any weapons except a baseball bat and your average kitchen knives. I've secured masks. One of my sons lives in LA and I can't do anything about him. His best hope is that he works for Boeing and he says that actually Boeing (thousands of employees in China, he has been sent there several times over the past couple years) was curtailing trips there a couple weeks before the airlines started too. And that Boeing 'tries to take care of their employees'. Yeah I know, Boeing has a bad rap but before all the Max stuff came, being a 'Boeing engineer' was one of the proud moments of his life. ok off that..

lots of denial cuz not everybody is a prepper. We actually like our current lives and are not looking forward to the Apocalypse at all...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I am wondering if the strain of the virus weakens further away from the initial souce. My friend had a touch of flu the other day, fever, headache, cough. Who knows? Could have been "Coronavirus"? I doubt anyone would have tested her. Most people who are sick with the flu don't see a doctor, they stay home, drink OJ, and dose up with OTC meds until it runs it's course.

An awful thing to say, but if it does decrease in virility as it goes through transmission cycles, the shut down of Wuhan/China is indeed a tragic thanks from the rest of the world. Dunno yet. Could it be that it becomes less and less virulent as it goes through each transmission.

Above, we listed the characteristics of a "bad virus" and this one fit the bill so far.