Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

[Amonet]

So I am obviously being dumb here but can somebody explain how you can find the first patient with this?


Does the first victim get a special number 1 printed on their forehead?

You'd have to find the earliest confirmed cases and track back from them to the people around them. Talk to those people and find out if they had a cough or high temperature in the month or so before this person became ill, and then you can mark them as a possible if they do report remembering having those symptoms. Some will have had such a mild case they might not even remember having a bit of a cough one day or feeling hot one day. But they do that for all the earliest confirmed cases and see if those people, or anyone who might have potentially infected them earlier, have anything in common. The biggest common denominator that they've found is the seafood market.

 

[margarita25]

May I also suggest, along with not touching your face, putting your fingers in your mouth, eyes, nose—-your ears.
Unless I am misunderstanding, the sneezing and coughing release particulate matters that can affect any orifice and stay on surfaces and in the air for some time. I also believe a 14 day isolation is not enough. More like month. IMO

(Hi Tony! I saw someone the other day pick his nose then touch the credit card machine to pay at the grocery checkout line. Not even kidding.)

 

[LaborDayRN]

Coronavirus Live Updates: Over 150 Million Chinese Are Under Coronavirus Lockdown

The Times’s analysis found that at least 150 million people in China — over 10 percent of the country’s population — are facing government restrictions about how often they can leave their homes.

Coronavirus Live Updates: Over 150 Million Chinese Are Under Coronavirus Lockdown

The numbers are just staggering!

 

[Hatfield]

May I also suggest, along with not touching your face, putting your fingers in your mouth, eyes, nose—-your ears.
Unless I am misunderstanding, the sneezing and coughing release particulate matters that can affect any orifice and stay on surfaces and in the air for some time. I also believe a 14 day isolation is not enough. More like month. IMO

Someone shared something in a Youtube video I watched that really surprised me when I heard it.

Every human being has 9 openings in their body (2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 nostrils, mouth, and the 2 places downstairs)

 

[gregjrichards]

Locked in a coronavirus breeding ground: Cruise quarantine put hundreds of vulnerable people in the perfect environment for contamination and left the ship with more cases than the whole world outside China

The 'failed' two-week cruise ship quarantine on the Diamond Princess left hundreds of tourists trapped in an ideal breeding ground for the killer coronavirus, leading experts have today warned.

Why the Diamond Princess cruise ship is the 'perfect breeding ground' for coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

 

[JerseyGirl]

An update on the honeymoon couple (who were seated at the same dining table as the Abel's on the Diamond Princess):

Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news

A British man who was diagnosed with coronavirus on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan will be discharged from hospital tomorrow.

Alan Steele said he will wait in the country until he can be reunited with his wife, Wendy, and they can travel home together.

The couple, who were celebrating their honeymoon on the ship, were separated on 7 February when Alan was diagnosed with the virus and taken to a nearby hospital.

Although the ship’s quarantine officially ends on Wednesday, new guidelines mean anyone who shared a cabin with a person who has tested negative for the virus will face another two weeks on board.

Alan has now tested negative for the virus, and says he is looking forward to eating at the McDonald’s near the cruise terminal.

 

[margarita25]

Locked in a coronavirus breeding ground: Cruise quarantine put hundreds of vulnerable people in the perfect environment for contamination and left the ship with more cases than the whole world outside China

The 'failed' two-week cruise ship quarantine on the Diamond Princess left hundreds of tourists trapped in an ideal breeding ground for the killer coronavirus, leading experts have today warned.

Why the Diamond Princess cruise ship is the 'perfect breeding ground' for coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

Thanks for posting this.

So, I’ve been meaning to go back to Norovirus cases that infected the masses of passengers, and look at more specifics re: the confirmed sources of transmission aboard the ships.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Wondering how each country tests for the virus and how many cases will go undetected or misdiagnosed. I just finished with walking pneumonia. If under the wrong circumstances (i.e. cruise), would I have been misdiagnosed and placed under quarantine and then actually come down with the virus?

Because it's been reported that the majority of cases are mild, I think many are not reported or diagnoses. I think many people may think they have a garden variety cold virus and just ride it out.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Coronavirus outbreak: Canada's health minister speaks after visit to quarantine zone | LIVE

With more Canadians expected to arrive home and be quarantined over fears of the novel coronavirus, Health Minister Patty Hajdu is visiting the military base where several hundred people are waiting out the incubation period under quarantine. Canadian Forces Base Trenton is housing Canadians airlifted from Wuhan, China, where the virus was first detected. Hajdu is meeting health workers, Canadian Forces members and staff from the Red Cross, who are all trying to keep the people in quarantine healthy and not too bored while they wait out the incubation period for the respiratory illness.

 

[Amonet]

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Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

"As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.

Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan—and perhaps elsewhere—before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.

Bin Cao of Capital Medical University, the corresponding author of The Lancet article and a pulmonary specialist, wrote in an email to ScienceInsider that he and his co-authors “appreciate the criticism” from Lucey."

“Now It seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” he wrote. “But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.”

Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally
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Interesting that the original article published in Science was dated 26 January 2020. The scientific community's skepticism of a single point origin of the seafood market was raised quite early. It's curious that China's researcher also admits the possibility.

The matter of origin is medically important for developing treatments and anticipating possible outbreaks.

I think something to consider with 'multiple points of origin' is a scenario like a bat population is the natural reservoir....somehow the virus jumps into another animal at a farm/factory farm ... those animals from the farm are then distributed to other farms .... from there the animals are distributed to various markets for sale ....some of those animals have a version of the virus that can jump into humans, but at this stage it might not be very effective at person-to-person transmission....the seafood market could be the location of the animals carrying the strain that has best adapted to human-to-human transmission.

So it wouldn't be a clearcut single point of origin for the virus, but the seafood market does have an early cluster of cases and is likely the main point where the easy-to-transmit-human-to-human strain has come from, and then successfully transferred into the human population.

This means that even though they've cleared that seafood market and disinfected it....that virus could come back again another year in a different place.

What I would do, and what I imagine they're doing, is get a list of every animal sold at the market and its 'chain' before it arrived at the market. In that way it might be possible to get back to the actual point(s) of origin for this strain and its predecessor strain.

 

[JerseyGirl]

What Apple, Walmart and other U.S. companies are saying about the coronavirus

 

[Amonet]

This probably won't be popular, but going to say it anyway. IMO, countries have notified their citizens to get out of certain areas. I know they were on a boat, but.......they could have cancelled. They decided to go anyway. Sometimes you have to live, or not, with your decisions for survival. In turn, Japan could have handled this in much better way. Now they look quite insensitive.....IMO. Countries really have no responsibility to fly around the world and save people. Done now....

But, those people who went on the cruise, and the cruise line owners(!) would have been able to check the itinerary of the ship, and their own journey to the ship and cross-reference those two things with the national guidelines for their country. So if it had been doing a cruise around Chinese ports, they probably wouldn't have gone/and the cruise line owners would have either cancelled that cruise or changed the itinerary to go to places like Japan that didn't have warnings at that point and didn't appear to have any bigger 'problem' with the virus than the UK or USA.

I believe countries do actually have responsibility to the well-being of their citizens abroad. That's one reason why they have consulates abroad.

 

[Windsorite]

America have been extremely lucky so far considering the size of the country and the amount of air travel and only 15 cases.

Not to offend the Americans on the thread, but up until this morning we had 15 infected
Canadians on the Diamond Princess, the Americans had 14 on the repatriation flight. So
everything else being equal just based on population, there is no way that number is right.

 

[Amonet]

Someone shared something in a Youtube video I watched that really surprised me when I heard it.

Every human being has 9 openings in their body (2 eyes, 2 ears, 2 nostrils, mouth, and the 2 places downstairs)

I believe the type of membrane inside the opening makes a difference as to whether a particular virus can 'attach' and proliferate there. For viruses that predominantly affect the respiratory system, like flu, coronaviruses, or rhinoviruses, it's the mouth/nose/eyes that are the places where it can get in and where it can find a 'home' that it likes and a route to the lungs where it can cause inflammation and damage to the human host.

*I initially typed mouth/nose/ears... I meant mouth/nose/eyes. They are the places you will find listed in health literature on reducing the chance of infection with a virus like flu or coronavirus. That doesn't mean it's okay to put your fingers into other orifices and shake hands etc without washing your hands, but it's those three places that are the key ones to watch for viruses like flu and coronavirus.

 

[LaborDayRN]

I mentioned earlier in the thread that I had purchased two pair of glasses from a well known online retailer. They promise you'll receive your glasses in 7-14 days. It's been nearly 4 weeks now. One of the delays had to do with my odd prescription but that was supposedly fixed a week ago. Now instead of my order reading "processing" it reads "order information received. I contacted the company and was told this: "I am very sorry, there is a shipping delay due to unforeseen business closures from some of our suppliers in China. Our team is working around the clock to fix this issue."
I imagine we will be seeing more and more of these types of delays in the days, weeks and months to come.

 

[Hatfield]

I think something to consider with 'multiple points of origin' is a scenario like a bat population is the natural reservoir....somehow the virus jumps into another animal at a farm/factory farm ... those animals from the farm are then distributed to other farms .... from there the animals are distributed to various markets for sale ....some of those animals have a version of the virus that can jump into humans, but at this stage it might not be very effective at person-to-person transmission....the seafood market could be the location of the animals carrying the strain that has best adapted to human-to-human transmission.

So it wouldn't be a clearcut single point of origin for the virus, but the seafood market does have an early cluster of cases and is likely the main point where the easy-to-transmit-human-to-human strain has come from, and then successfully transferred into the human population.

This means that even though they've cleared that seafood market and disinfected it....that virus could come back again another year in a different place.

What I would do, and what I imagine they're doing, is get a list of every animal sold at the market and its 'chain' before it arrived at the market. In that way it might be possible to get back to the actual point(s) of origin for this strain and its predecessor strain.

What got me interested in infectious diseases was the book called "The Hot Zone". The day I picked that book up, I could not put it down until I read the whole thing in 1 day. That book was about Ebola and if I remember it right, the book talked about how laboratory monkies were being used in Reston, Virginia to study it and how dangerous it was and that it could spread to humans by simple mistakes in protocols. At some point in the book, they talk about Bats and a bat cave as a possible source for Ebola.

So was thinking about Bats again since during this Coronavirus outbreak, the early discussions from China centered around Bats being sold/eaten at the open market.

The point I wanted to mention about Bats is they can land on top of cows grazing in the fields, and can feed off the backs of cows, pigs, other produce animals, which humans then consume as food.

So, not only do some cultures eat Bats directly (if we are to believe what we heard in China about that), there is also an indirect way that Bats can contaminate normal food animals such as cows and pigs.

*An infected Bat bites and feeds on Cows/Pigs while they graze in the fields/pens

*Then People eat the infected Cows/Pigs

The Hot Zone Summary | GradeSaver

 

[JerseyGirl]

Stocks down more than 250 points after Apple’s coronavirus warning

The Dow fell 255 points midday Tuesday after a warning from tech giant Apple stoked worries over the coronavirus and its impact on corporate profits and the global economy. The S&P 500 dipped 0.7% while the Nasdaq Composite slid 0.4%. Apple had said it does not expect to meet its quarterly revenue forecast, citing slowed production and weakened demand in China as a result of the coronavirus outbreak

Coronavirus live updates: Sanofi working on vaccine with US health agency, Jaguar faces parts shortage

 

[Medstudies]

So I am obviously being dumb here but can somebody explain how you can find the first patient with this?

Does the first victim get a special number 1 printed on their forehead?

January 1, 2020: Chinese state media announces that police have investigated eight people for “spreading rumors” about the virus online. (RIP - Dr. Li Wieliang)

anyway...
I think the info on #1 will remain a mystery. Because. China.

 

[gregjrichards]

Female Chinese medics 'are forced to' shave their heads to show their determination to fight coronavirus before being sent to epicentre Wuhan

Female Chinese medics 'are forced to' shave their heads before heading to Wuhan to fight coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

 

[asyousay]

Female Chinese medics 'are forced to' shave their heads to show their determination to fight coronavirus before being sent to epicentre Wuhan

Female Chinese medics 'are forced to' shave their heads before heading to Wuhan to fight coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

This paper is now worse than the Sun it’s disgusting the crap they print.


The headline is pure tabloid rubbish that doesn’t actually match the story at all.


MOO

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