Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

[JerseyGirl]

My prediction is that the Olympics will get cancelled, postponed or relocated, moo.

(I thought I posted this thought already but I can’t find it. Maybe it got deleted because I didn’t post moo.)


ETA:


I’ve got $10 that says it doesn’t go on, moo.

*This is not to be Negative Nancy here. I’m just saying if stuff keeps going down in Japan, realistically speaking...

Mooooooooooo (@cody22 )

ETA:
Have any prior Olympic Games ever been cancelled, postponed or relocated, I wonder, and under what circumstances.

Coronavirus: What could it mean for the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo

 

[Hatfield]

Something I havent seen discussed is whether the Masks with the valves are better or not than Masks without those valves.

Found a link where that question was asked and including it below.

Im not sure yet if it matters much with the Virus, but I do have a personal experience with Masks that I can vouche for that made the vented masks better for me. What I found out about masks when using them outside on a hot day when spraying weed killer is.......

the moisture inside the mask built up to such a level that I couldnt even breath through the mask. I had to get a new one to keep spraying because I couldnt even breathe through the mask as moisture built up inside the mask.

It only happened on a very hot day when using the masks I had at the time which had no vent.

Wanted to share in case others are faced with a choice on the type of masks to get whether they have a vent or not. Some are afraid the vent may be another way for a Virus to get through the mask. I have no idea if there is any real concern about that or not. Just something to think about for sure.

https://www.quora.com/Is-an-N95-mask-with-a-valve-on-it-better-than-one-without

 

[FrostOwl]

That story in the DailyMail about the bat in the infectious disease centre in Wuhan having a tick.

I think it's important to remind ourselves that different viruses do prefer different ways of getting into the body. Yes, ticks can carry things like Lyme Disease, but they don't spread flu or coronavirus. So it's really not helpful for the DM to publish something like that.

Respiratory viruses like flu/coronavirus come in via the mouth/nose/eyes as the biggest risk areas (though that might be transferred from dirty hands).

Then you have things like malaria that transmit through mosquitoes and it's a blood-borne disease so the mode of infection is through the insect coming into contact with the body's blood, through the skin.

Then there's things like HIV, another blood-borne disease and the risk factors are things like injecting with a dirty needle, or unsafe sex, especially unprotected anal sex where you have thin tissues that are easily broken to enable virus material in through those breaks in the tissue that lead into the bloodstream.

Another example is something like dysentery that is a virus that causes gut problems, and it tends to spread via contaminated water that is then drunk and the virus is sent down to the gut, where the process can then complete the cycle of transmission.

In Australia flying foxes (a kind of bats) have spread Hendra virus to horses (and then from horses to humans) by eating food contaminated by flying fox urine or saliva. Hendra virus infections have influenza-like symptoms. Bats and human health

 

[margarita25]

I agree, but if you have the Virus, I am running for the hills.

Don’t worry, first sign of a shart and I’m putting my buttmask on!!!

Hatfield, considering your interest in drones, etc., I saw a video on YT the other day that I think you would have appreciated. (That’s my new intro to every post btw, “I saw a video on YT...”) lol

Anyway I wish I remembered where the video was, maybe it was a SCMP video... A lady on lockdown in Wuhan who is a remote control car enthusiast came up with the idea of sending her remote control car to the market to get food. Iirc, she customized the brain of the car and attached a small cart to the back of it and sent it to the store to get “buns”. She called ahead and gave the merchant her credit card number and when the car pulled up to the door they stuck the buns in the car.
ETA: (without gloves)

I’m noticing soooo many people in videos not wearing gloves.

I have a friend who has a cleaning business and she says she actually doesn’t wear gloves and that’s actually cleaner because you are more aware of washing your hands, therefore less cross contamination.

Me, I’m all about the gloves.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

My prediction is that the Olympics will get cancelled, postponed or relocated, moo. RSBM I’ve got $10 that says it doesn’t go on, moo. ETA: Have any prior Olympic Games ever been cancelled, postponed or relocated, I wonder, and under what circumstances.

Per Google "Olympics have been canceled five times in the past. In 1916, the Summer Olympics scheduled for Berlin, Germany, were canceled due to World War I. Then, thanks to World War II, the 1940 Winter and Summer Olympics and the 1944 Winter and Summer Olympics were canceled"

Pfft, I'll put up $20 bet that there is going to be a change in folks thinking they can walk off the dock from the Princess this week. The first folks off the ship will be those from Japan supposedly today. Foreigners.... later this week. They just did the last half of the ship testing yesterday and day before. I think something will happen and one twitter person is not going to like that he cannot tour the city as planned. Especially listening to the WHO update today. He said Japan changed plans, and that countries were taking care of their citizens. My bet, they will be walking directly into Japan reisolation vs. let loose.

 

[mickey2942]

It would make sense that areas with high population density are going to have more cases of Coronavirus. Especially Japan, using public transportation in Tokyo is an experience, they actually push people in to maximum capacity, so one person sneezing in the train car, is going to potentially infect more people.

 

[Wicked Strong]

Per Google "Olympics have been canceled five times in the past. In 1916, the Summer Olympics scheduled for Berlin, Germany, were canceled due to World War I. Then, thanks to World War II, the 1940 Winter and Summer Olympics and the 1944 Winter and Summer Olympics were canceled"

Pfft, I'll put up $20 bet that there is going to be a change in folks thinking they can walk off the dock from the Princess this week. The first folks off the ship will be those from Japan supposedly today. Foreigners.... later this week. They just did the last half of the ship testing yesterday and day before. I think something will happen and one twitter person is not going to like that he cannot tour the city as planned. Especially listening to the WHO update today. He said Japan changed plans, and that countries were taking care of their citizens. My bet, they will be walking directly into Japan reisolation vs. let loose.

You beat me to google, I did read though that the 2016 Olympics in Brazil might have been the first to be cancelled because of health concerns. (it wasn't). Apparently the Zika virus was the reason that some athletes didn't compete.

The Olympics Have Been Canceled In The Past

 

[Wicked Strong]

Coronavirus: What could it mean for the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo

Thank you for finding this. I was interested to read that teams would be setting up their training camps several months in advance of the July opening. Also, the mention of not allowing the Chinese team to participate?

 

[IceIce9]

America have been extremely lucky so far considering the size of the country and the amount of air travel and only 15 cases.

Not lucky. Smart and prepared.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Thank you for finding this. I was interested to read that teams would be setting up their training camps several months in advance of the July opening. Also, the mention of not allowing the Chinese team to participate?

John Coates, the head of an IOC inspection team, was asked by a CNN reporter if he was 100% confident that the Tokyo Olympics would go on as scheduled and open on July 24.

“Yes,” he replied.

Coates talked positively about keeping a close watch on Chinese athletes, and talked optimistically about their eventual presence in Tokyo, where they would probably field a team of 600 athletes — one of the largest delegations.

“We continue also to monitor, particularly the Chinese that will be coming here,” Coates said. “You'll find that the Chinese teams are mostly out of China. That's the athletes and officials.”

He didn't offer any specific numbers.

Dr. Mike Ryan, WHO chief of emergencies, said that WHO only offers technical advice and it's up to the IOC and organizers to make decisions related to the Olympics. “We have not offered advice to the IOC for the Olympics one way or another,” he said. "And neither would we. That's not the role of WHO to call off — or not call off — any event. It is the role of WHO to offer technical advice."

No 'Plan B' for Olympics; questions over Chinese presence

Qualifying events discussed here: Coronavirus update: WHO backs Tokyo 2020, China Golf Open postponed, Gymnastics World Cup and more | SportBusiness

 

[asyousay]

Not lucky. Smart and prepared.

How could they of been prepared before anybody knew anything ?

That’s the whole point with global travel it had already started to spread before anybody knew anything about it.


IMO

 

[margarita25]

Whaaaatt
Rewind (WHO PC)
13:45

“In the past 24 hours, China has reported 1800 new cases both clinically and lab confirmed cases.”




Coronavirus outbreak: WHO reports 92 cases of human-to-human spread outside China | FULL

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ETA: How many new cases of the flu are reported per day in China and other countries I wonder.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Whaaaatt
Rewind (WHO PC)
13:45

“In the past 24 hours, China has reported 1800 new cases both clinically and lab confirmed cases.”




Coronavirus outbreak: WHO reports 92 cases of human-to-human spread outside China | FULL

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ETA: How many cases of the flu are reported per day in China and other countries.

1,868 dead, 72,436 confirmed cases in mainland China

There were 1,886 new confirmed infections as the total number of confirmed cases grew to 72,436.

Coronavirus updates: Wuhan hospital director dies as death toll nears 2,000

in addition....

World health officials have confirmed 92 cases of human-to-human transmission in 12 countries, director-general of the World Health Organization Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a news briefing.

Coronavirus live updates: Sanofi working on vaccine with US health agency, Jaguar faces parts shortage

 

[JohnnyChicago]

The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that over 30k a year die of flu related symptoms. Coronavirus is the least of my concerns. The mainstream media is running low of news stories, so ratings wise, this is a great story for them to continually play over and over. It is a form of fear in my opinion. Also a diversion tactic used by the media to often skip over other important news that is not friendly to report on because it may upset advertisers (for example, reporting and showing images of war is much more news worthy in my opinion and if people actually saw the outcome and deaths of civilians, we as a country would stop supporting and allowing our tax money to go toward military spending.

Burden of Influenza CDC website link

 

[JerseyGirl]

• Total confirmed cases: More than 73,400
• Total deaths: At least 1,874

Coronavirus live updates: Sanofi working on vaccine with US health agency, Jaguar faces parts shortage

 

[Pi Thoughts]

China is calling out its military to reinforce exhausted health workers and enforce strict new quarantine measures imposed upon the epicentre of the Covid-19 virus outbreak as a seventh medical worker dies from the disease.

On Tuesday, Wuhan’s health bureau announced hospital director Liu Zhiming died from coronavirus despite “all out” attempts to save him.

He is the seventh healthworker to die among the more than 1,700 doctors and nurses who have become sick.
‘Scary’ sign China is lying about virus

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Dozens of Australians who were on board the MS Westerdam cruise ship in Cambodia have been cleared of having coronavirus [COVID-19] but the immediate fate of those still on board remains unclear.

The ABC understands more than 35 Australians have tested negative to coronavirus, while others on the boat say they're awaiting their results.

Ten Australians remain on board the Westerdam and were told on Tuesday they would be allowed to travel to Thailand when they leave the cruise ship.

But that was quickly refuted by at least one Thai media outlet, which reported the Thai Government had banned Westerdam passengers from entering the country until at least February 28.
Cambodian PM exploits virus crisis as Australians cleared to leave Westerdam cruise

 

[margarita25]

Eloquent words by Dr. Tedros as usual (source):

16:04-
“I also spoke to the Minister of Health of Malaysia to discuss the Westerdam case and other aspects of their preparations. This signals/shows the importance of All Countries being ready for the arrival of the virus, to treat patients with dignity and compassion, to protect health workers and to prevent onward transmission.”

 

[dixiegirl1035]

How could they of been prepared before anybody knew anything ?

That’s the whole point with global travel it had already started to spread before anybody knew anything about it.


IMO

Countries are prepared in many ways, which many citizens aren't even aware of. Citizens may not be aware that governments plan for epidemics and we've learned in the last threads just how many are coming into play right now in the US for example. They are in place the US for example which have protocols for epidemics, so yes, prepared "before anybody knew anything" is the KEY to the statement. They have them worked out ahead of time to implement. From donors for $, relationships with organizations that may be called into help and support

1. There are protocols in place for the military for epidemics and pandemics in the US. , which was initiated already through February 20th (expect to see extended)
   
2. Surveillance protocols for health departments which had a plan in case of need to monitor for epidemic, which has been initiated already in 8 cities, soon to roll out to hundreds
3. CDC processes for dissemination of information and resources through specialized team to support the nation

etc etc etc. So many that we have discussed here.

 

[IceIce9]

How could they of been prepared before anybody knew anything ?

That’s the whole point with global travel it had already started to spread before anybody knew anything about it.


IMO

The US is better prepared for any virus that occurs or will occur in the future. The United States is prepared because it is not a case of IF but WHEN a worldwide epidemic will occur.

It isn’t “luck” it is preparedness

To mention just a few things:

Universal Precautions in hospitals, clinics, ambulance, etc. (compared to the medics who were not even wearing masks when evacuating sick passengers off Diamond Princess, for example)

Proper sanitation systems and safe drinking water

Thermal temperature scanning at major SS airports

Health inspections of restaurants and food manufacturing facilities

Regular practice drills for emergency workers and hospital personnel dealing with epidemic situations

Training for all medical personnel and community resource leaders