Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

[Deleted member 158085]

From the REAL David Abel

Sally & I packed and waited 8 hours in the cabin to be transported to a hostel. We are still on the ship!

They do NOT send folk with the virus to a hostel!

Massive communication error yesterday. The Japanese quarantine officials do not speak any English. They came to our door & told us to be ready to be taken to the hostel. My mindset was ‘virus’ and said ‘positive then’. He nodded.

I don’t think he was saying yes to the virus but positive we were moving out??

He followed up by saying it will probably be just 4 or 5 days. You would not say that to a virus victim.

...

Sally & David

David Abel

What a nightmare!

 

[Trino]

I read an article that states in the US there is minimal risk. Then, I read another article that says there's not a way to contain the virus. Next up someone is not showing symptoms. Then, you guessed it, re-test shows the virus is present. So, which is it?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Great. They are positive for the Coronavirus and they are going to stay in a "hostel"? For 4 or 5 days? How about the people who are also staying there?

Is this for real?!

New coronavirus case identified in Bay Area

And this? I thought that those folks were all going to stay quarantined on an air base?!

Is this a plan on how to spread the virus?!

Those who are positive while in quarantine from the base will be moved to an area hospital. That has already been said for any positive cases, and that is what has happened.

Napa's Queen of the Valley treats coronavirus patient transferred from Travis Air Force Base

A single case of coronavirus has been confirmed in Napa County, and is under isolation at Queen of the Valley Medical Center, a news release from the County of Napa said Tuesday afternoon. A second patient with symptoms is under investigation at the hospital. Neither patient is a resident of Napa County, said the news release. The two patients arrived at the Queen of the Valley on Monday from Travis Air Force Base in Solano County. The patients were flown to Travis from Japan, where they had been under quarantine on the Diamond Princess cruise ship. The two patients arrived at the Queen of the Valley on Monday from Travis Air Force Base in Solano County. The patients were flown to Travis from Japan, where they had been under quarantine on the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Among the cruise ship passengers flown to Travis AFB, seven were identified as needing testing or hospitalization. Five of the seven patients were sent to hospitals in Solano County.

Due to a limited number of isolation beds in Solano County, two patients were transferred to Queen of the Valley, officials said.

Patient from cruise ship is first confirmed case of coronavirus in Napa County

The confirmed case of COVID-19 tested positive for the virus in Japan, but has not experienced symptoms associated with the virus so far. The patient under investigation tested negative for the virus in Japan but is experiencing symptoms. They are undergoing further testing. This is the Bay Area's fifth case of coronavirus. Two patients are being treated in Santa Clara County and two patients, transferred from San Benito County, are being treated in San Francisco.

..... I'm so glad they got those folks off the ship and brought them back to the United States so they don't have to be treated in China like David and Sally are

 

[Henry2326]

I read an article that states in the US there is minimal risk. Then, I read another article that says there's not a way to contain the virus. Next up someone is not showing symptoms. Then, you guessed it, re-test shows the virus is present. So, which is it?

I think most of the time you will see the words "right now" either at the beginning or the end of the sentence concerning risk. For example " right now, there is low risk".
It's a new virus.........although we have created diagnostic tests in the past month, they still throw false negatives.....or the virus does something that we haven't figured out yet....IMO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I read an article that states in the US there is minimal risk.YES Then, I read another article that says there's not a way to contain the virus. Trying to delay, but all countries should expect per WHO Next up someone is not showing symptoms. Yes, that's been know for a while Then, you guessed it, re-test shows the virus is present.Yes, WHO spoke to false negatives as new test and unknown cycle of when virus shed So, which is it?

 

[Windsorite]

I read an article that states in the US there is minimal risk. Then, I read another article that says there's not a way to contain the virus. Next up someone is not showing symptoms. Then, you guessed it, re-test shows the virus is present. So, which is it?

All of the above

 

[mickey2942]

I read an article that states in the US there is minimal risk. Then, I read another article that says there's not a way to contain the virus. Next up someone is not showing symptoms. Then, you guessed it, re-test shows the virus is present. So, which is it?

I think that after comparing news media stories, every writer has a different slant, source, or even point of view. The editor may cut out parts, making a different story from the original.

And in the case of this virus, so much seems to be unknown. Also, viruses can mutate and change, so what may have been true a month ago, may be completely different in another environment, a few weeks later.

I am not too worried, but of course, I am fairly young, female, and live in a very rural area.

 

[KALI]

I think this post is SO important. Why did Dr. Li and Doctor Lui die?
Multiple exposures to this virus?
Does it get more potent each time your exposed to it?
Critical question in my opinion.
Or, did these brave men work themselves to exhaustion?
I really hope their deaths are greatly studied.

The doctor (Li Wenliang) who eventually died from the virus first tested negative multiple times. So even a negative test doesn't necessarily mean the person doesn't have the virus. And this guy wasn't old or sick. He was young and as far as I can tell, healthy. Still died.

 

[Midgie2]

I think this post is SO important. Why did Dr. Li and Doctor Lui die?
Multiple exposures to this virus?
Does it get more potent each time your exposed to it?
Critical question in my opinion.
Or, did these brave men work themselves to exhaustion?
I really hope their deaths are greatly studied.

Does anyone know if these two doctors were smokers or perhaps former smokers?
I could swear that I read somewhere 50% of doctors in China are smokers.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

David and Sally are live on YouTube FYI

ETA was...it's a nine minute video

One thing of note is that he said most (I had thought all?) getting off today were Japanese citizens - new is he said some getting of to complete their quarantine elsewhere.

 

[KALI]

I do not agree.
We're not at a time where we can compare other causes of death against this cause of death.
It's too early to make comparisons.
Fear is not a bad thing.
It makes us take precautions.
The more precautions, the likelihood of a better outcome.
It's certainly a fine line though.
Absolutely, some humans might freak out.
I'm not one of them.
However, I will pay attention and I will take precautions.
What I will not do, is listen to any spokesperson, other then a doctor give me advise.
I'm pretty sure that we'll all be fine.
Something to keep an eye on and pay attention to.
With that said. I'm pretty damn happy I don't live in a high rise in China.

Fear Spreads Faster Than Any Coronavirus: Why We Need To Calm Down
Fear Spreads Faster Than Any Coronavirus: Why We Need To Calm Down
Forbes - Media Bias/Fact Check

"According to the CDC, every year in the United States the leading causes of death are as follows (numbers rounded):

• Heart disease - 650,000
• Cancer - 600,000
• Accidents - 170,000
• Chronic respiratory diseases - 160,000
• Stroke - 150,000
• Diabetes - 85,000

Another 40,000 die from gun deaths (of which about 60% are suicide.)

As Amira Roess, Ph.D., MPH is a professor of global health and epidemiology at George Mason University's College of Health and Human Services stated,

“For the average American, your risk is actually quite low. If you haven’t already gotten the flu shot, go ahead and get it. As we’ve seen with previous outbreaks like the H1N1 or the swine flu, the influenza—the regular seasonal flu—actually causes more illness and more deaths than those strains of flu.”

So if you’re going to be afraid of something, there are a whole raft of potential dangers that put your health at risk that should rank well above Wuhan virus."

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Well, in about 5 hours or more they'll publish the daily numbers of new positives on the ship. I'll be sleeping, but if anyone wants to take a peek around 5 am to see at Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline - BNO News , there's the link.

Yesterday was 99, today was 88... so in 5 hours... perhaps 77?

 

[JohnnyChicago]

I'm a human being and I am frequently wrong, but let's examine just some facts.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, "The people connected to the pharmaceutical industry are the same people sitting on the WHO panel (World Health Organization). So if they decide to declare this a "pandemic" they can reap big rewards because they will get contract after contract and reap billions of dollars from those contracts to scam money out of the WHO. Not the first time in history and certainly not the last."
Before you know it, everyone will be so frightened that a vaccine will be developed and guess who will reap in the big money off of fear.

Legal Drug-Pushing: How Disease Mongers Keep Us All Doped Up
Legal Drug-Pushing: How Disease Mongers Keep Us All Doped Up
The Atlantic - Media Bias/Fact Check

Fear is quite dangerous.

• Immune system dysfunction
• Endocrine system dysfunction
• Autonomic nervous system alterations
• Sleep/wake cycle disruption
• Eating disorders
• Alterations in hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis

Manipulating our fear of disease, suffering and death, big pharmaceutical companies are able to keep the public coming back for more expensive medications and new vaccines.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I don’t care if it’s more or less deadly than the flu (although it appears to be more at this point). Saying we should be more worried about the flu than this, downplaying the coronavirus, is just not helpful because some of us are actually very worried about catching the flu already, and not only being miserable, but being one of the death statistics. So trying to downplay it as being like or less than the flu just doesn’t work because we’re worried about having yet another miserable and deadly illness in addition to the flu.

For those of us who have good reason to fear the flu, even having had our flu shots, having the possibility of yet another disease spread as widely as the flu is scary. Ignoring it won’t make it go away. The last two years in a row I have had miserable upper respiratory illnesses, and I don’t even want to contemplate having another illness added in on top of that each year.

If you think it’s not worth tracking, not worth discussing, then don’t. But don’t insult the rest of us who do.

 

[gregjrichards]

Does anyone know if these two doctors were smokers or perhaps former smokers?
I could swear that I read somewhere 50% of doctors in China are smokers.

It is said that 60% of male Chinese doctors smoke. I don’t know about the percentage of female doctors.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Part 1: Assume a benevolent motive.

Strike 2: It is worth discussing in terms of calming the public down. Providing links to credible sources and examining and critiquing how the media and the pharmaceutical industry is manipulating and creating a industry based on fear should be considered helpful and useful. There isn't anything insulting about that from my end. I can't control ones emotions. If one is insulted, then take control and own one's emotions.

Scene 3: I am not trying to argue. Anyone knows you can't win an argument. 9 out of 10 times it ends with each of the participants more firmly convinced than ever that they are absolutely right.

Medical Martial Law may not be something Americans are concerned with now, but there is always that panic and possibility. More frightening to see something like that take place someday in a country as large as ours

 

[KALI]

Johnny,
Thank you for your research.
I agree with you, that there is always some jerk trying to make a buck.
However, those jerks are not in charge here.
This situation is way bigger then someone wanting to score money.
The United States Government is all over this.
I have faith in the United States government.
This is just my opinion. But I'm very sure that the USA will lock down even more then they have to protect her citizens. If needed.
We have strong leadership, right now.
I would rest assured that this virus will not decimate the United States.
High rises in Asia.
I worry and pray for you.
Innocent families in a nightmare.

I'm a human being and I am frequently wrong, but let's examine just some facts.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, "The people connected to the pharmaceutical industry are the same people sitting on the WHO panel (World Health Organization). So if they decide to declare this a "pandemic" they can reap big rewards because they will get contract after contract and reap billions of dollars from those contracts to scam money out of the WHO. Not the first time in history and certainly not the last."
Before you know it, everyone will be so frightened that a vaccine will be developed and guess who will reap in the big money off of fear.

Legal Drug-Pushing: How Disease Mongers Keep Us All Doped Up
Legal Drug-Pushing: How Disease Mongers Keep Us All Doped Up
The Atlantic - Media Bias/Fact Check

Fear is quite dangerous.

• Immune system dysfunction
• Endocrine system dysfunction
• Autonomic nervous system alterations
• Sleep/wake cycle disruption
• Eating disorders
• Alterations in hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis

Manipulating our fear of disease, suffering and death, big pharmaceutical companies are able to keep the public coming back for more expensive medications and new vaccines.

 

[gregjrichards]

Dissent becomes the next victim of coronavirus as China cracks down

Analysts say epidemic poses gravest threat to authorities since Tiananmen Square – and Beijing’s tight control could backfire

The rough implementation of epidemic control has resulted in extensive human rights abuses across China, analysts say. Disturbing images have emerged on social media showing people chained up and paraded on streets, or beaten by police for not wearing masks. Footage has also shown officers installing metal bars or chains outside people’s homes to prevent them leaving.

Propaganda banners with threatening messages have been put up around the country. “A surgical mask or a breathing tube? Your choice,” said one. “Those who don’t report their fever are class enemies hiding among the people,” another said.

Dissent becomes the next victim of coronavirus as China cracks down

This is terrible the Chinese government putting bars up on people’s homes to prevent them leaving. What would happen if there was a fire or another emergency?

 

[margarita25]

It is going to be very interesting to see what happens with the ship. I think it will get a few days cleaning and a new name but whether anyone will want to stay and work on it I don’t know.

I am wondering if medical workers, etc. on that ship were coming and going?

They keep saying that's the fact statistically. But so far every last article I've read dealing with actual people by name has people a lot younger and in way better health than I'd expect. The first article I ever read weeks ago was a man in his 20's and his description was not remotely mild. (It was so odd to me that his sister who was literally locked in the hospital with him for weeks never contracted it)The whistle blower who died? Not elderly or in poor health. The recent article about a family with the daughter in Italy? Yes, grandpa died. But her dad was only early 50's and in better shape than 98% of people in the US here in their 50's. And he is pretty darn ill.

They keep saying "preexisting conditions" but dang like half the US is obese forget any other preexisting conditions. I just find a 20% rate of being severely ill very frightening. I know that 20% of the people I know who get the flu aren't ever close enough to pneumonia let alone needing to be hospitalized. Death rate is probably in most people I knows favor. But it's that 20% that worries me.

Speaking of “age”, today I heard the number “40” again in the WHO PC. Dr. Mike said it. The first time I heard “(over) 40” was by Dr. Maria, iirc.

ETA / source / thank you @dixiegirl1035 for the presser notes:

“It’s a huge burden on any health system to have on average patients that are there for more than 20 days at that level of intensive care. >40 years old, people that have underlying medical conditions more at risk and more severe course of disease.”

Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Emergency #5

 

[margarita25]

Im so sad for them.

Britons David Abel and his wife Sally who are on the Diamond Princess cruise ship have said on Facebook they have tested positive for COVID-19 Coronavirus

Hoping for their speedy recovery (and all patients), as is everyone.