Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #6

[Oregonmama]

I listened to the cdc call today. Both cnn & fox news asked very politically motivated questions which kind of scared me. This shouldn't be political.

I agree. Politics should stay out of it.

 

[mickey2942]

San Francisco declares state of emergency over coronavirus

Boom. This is the same city that two weeks ago wouldn't cancel the "Chinese New Year" parade, parties, and festivities.
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[Henry2326]

UPDATE: South Korea reports another death from coronavirus, raising country's death toll to 12; patient was a 73-year-old man Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
BNO Newsroom on Twitter

BREAKING: South Korea reports 169 new cases of coronavirus, raising total to 1,146 Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline
BNO Newsroom on Twitter

They will report additional new cases for the day in 8 hours or so.

 

[KALI]

Sorry, I have to disagree. USA citizens have guns. Nobody would be forcibly dragging any family I know and forcing them into a quarantine camp. I'm sure that law abiding citizens would want to stay home and self quarantine.
With that said. I can see them cordoning off certain dangerous areas with the national guard, just like they do with large fires.
But, taking people from their houses? No. The gangs and the homeless, at least in this State are another issue. Imo

I highly doubt that will be done initially. I won’t say it couldn’t end up there. I think we’ll see more general quarantining of cities to start. The objective will be an attempt to contain the virus and slow the spread across the nation.

As far as what we saw occurring in China with the door to door search for the virus and forced into quarantine, I hope we don’t get to that level. However, if at some point it is deemed necessary for control, and the medical experts support the reasoning, I have no doubt that our government will do what it feels it needs to do. But, I will add that I think it would be approached much differently in most of the world than it was in China.
Public announcements along with the reasons behind the decision would be broadcast far and wide. I believe most people, when well informed and treated humanely, will actually appreciate the effort. But if it’s not well received by the general population, containment efforts will escalate.
I almost hate putting this out there, but I believe the more aggressive measures will have to take place in the most densely populated areas. Controlling the spread in the less populated western states shouldn’t be too difficult, but controlling the spread somewhere like New York City would be extremely challenging at best
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Personally, I foresee controlling panic will be the biggest issue the US will face. This is not the type of adversity most Americans are prepared for. I’m honestly more concerned about the transition to this new reality than I am the virus itself.
All MOO

 

[beatrixpotter]

I have a question for everyone here on the thread. Have you posted anything about this on your facebook as to any articles or anything? I had a dinner for 6 last week and tried to broach the subject as to a lead into a conversation... and they all dismissed. Wish I could find my notes as I actually afterwards noted the.. and all were.. "not gonna affect me, I'll worry about it when it does"

And last Wednesday (and tomorrow) I tried to broach in a group setting through our senior center activites group which I'm a member. Directly after I brought up the cruise ship stats to start a discussion, one of the folks brought out a cruise ship itenerary to discuss with her friend next to her. Egads, I shut down and apologized for bringing it up.. What to do in that situation folks, I don't know.

As to folks who say...it doesn't affect me? Well, pffft, cannot say to them look at your 401k etc if that's the least of your worries?

But really, how many of us are "out" on MSM speaking of?

Oh yeah, as to how close to me so far..

1. Neighbor couple who was in US isolation as to the virus (none in my state, they had flown back from China and discussed upthread) ,
   
2. my family member who does VIPkids learning online 6 hours a day to China,
3. and a family member whos inlaws are now in Taiwan (government/state employees, but were from western China at beginning of outbreak who had 24 -48 hours to fly out.. they went to Tawain vs. US).

With all of the above, just doesn't seem right to probe like us WSers wanna do. I don't know how in the criminal cases those close to them talk.. as I cannot even ask those closest as I feel so uncomfortable doing so. They are dealing with it, and I don't want to make worse with inquiry iykwim.

It's just a tangent for me, but I'm already so poised? But seems absolutely not one of my friends or family members are concerned as much as I, if at all.

Are we Henny Pennies?

I shared a few articles and quickly realized that only a handful were interested and most people would prefer to ignore it. The general idea I see online is to poo poo any concerns. We'll see if things start changing rapidly after the changes this week.

I've been carefully watching and preparing while hoping for the best. I know I tend towards Henny Penny. But planning and preparing makes me feel better. I talked to my elderly father a few times and he mostly downplays it. I spoke to my mother today who immediately took it seriously and was annoyed my father is apparently relying on Rush Limbaugh for information on this. *eyeroll* I told her to refill her meds and stock up on what food she normally eats.

Day to day real life I've not talked about it with a single person except family. One of my teens told me that a girl in Sunday school mentioned the coronavirus scared her. I asked her how she felt. She said she wasn't worrying about it because I was doing that for her. lol My family is all fully supportive of preparing. I'm basically only buying things we already use or can use.

Though I guess I should go ahead and get some masks. Finding them overwhelms me though. But I actually regularly see specialists in a major hospital in Atlanta so I probably need them.

 

[Wicked Strong]

A lot of ppl are confused re this virus but lets not classify that only newbies have false info. The media does not help either with their personal narrative. CDC needs to start having public service announcements to educate ppl with what to do and give the true facts. JMO

I've tried to stay in the shadows, and I do appreciate the news many of you post about this Coronavirus, but I just have to say - turning this forum into a personal panic attack is disturbing and IMO completely out of control. Maybe because I'm older than a lot of you, but why are you stocking up on food, water, dog food? Unless you live in the most highly populated cities, I don't see any shortage of goods if we have more cases. This is exactly why things spiral out of control and the more people that buy into the panic, the worse it will get. I understand being concerned, and being somewhat prepared, but really? I have read that WHO has cautioned people not to panic.

You do know that the n95 face masks you buy from the paint section are not rated or appropriate for medical usage?

You do know there is a shelf life for even medicine?

Why are you buying gallons of water? This isn't a weather situation where a storm brings down utilities, leaving water and electricity out.

And last but most certainly the most important, why are some of you looking at Asians and thinking they are carriers or someone to mistrust? I grew up reading about the Japanese camps in the US because people had a mass hysteria about Japanese in the Pearl Harbor era. I also lived in the time where people didn't trust Asian people in the US during the Vietnam wars. It was shameful how our Asian US citizens were treated, and I'm seeing some of the same posts in this past week.

I know no one will want to read this, or agree with this, but it needed to be said. And I realize I'm putting myself out for all the posts that will tell me how wrong or ridicule me, however I don't care, this needs to be written.

MOO

 

[Oregonmama]

I've tried to stay in the shadows, and I do appreciate the news many of you post about this Coronavirus, but I just have to say - turning this forum into a personal panic attack is disturbing and IMO completely out of control. Maybe because I'm older than a lot of you, but why are you stocking up on food, water, dog food? Unless you live in the most highly populated cities, I don't see any shortage of goods if we have more cases. This is exactly why things spiral out of control and the more people that buy into the panic, the worse it will get. I understand being concerned, and being somewhat prepared, but really? I have read that WHO has cautioned people not to panic.

You do know that the n95 face masks you buy from the paint section are not rated or appropriate for medical usage?

You do know there is a shelf life for even medicine?

Why are you buying gallons of water? This isn't a weather situation where a storm brings down utilities, leaving water and electricity out.

And last but most certainly the most important, why are some of you looking at Asians and thinking they are carriers or someone to mistrust? I grew up reading about the Japanese camps in the US because people had a mass hysteria about Japanese in the Pearl Harbor era. I also lived in the time where people didn't trust Asian people in the US during the Vietnam wars. It was shameful how our Asian US citizens were treated, and I'm seeing some of the same posts in this past week.

I know no one will want to read this, or agree with this, but it needed to be said. And I realize I'm putting myself out for all the posts that will tell me how wrong or ridicule me, however I don't care, this needs to be written.

MOO

I'm always stocked up with food for one reason... my teens and their friends and I'm not causing panic.

I'm not sure why you quoted my post....

JMO.

 

[mickey2942]

I've tried to stay in the shadows, and I do appreciate the news many of you post about this Coronavirus, but I just have to say - turning this forum into a personal panic attack is disturbing and IMO completely out of control. Maybe because I'm older than a lot of you, but why are you stocking up on food, water, dog food? Unless you live in the most highly populated cities, I don't see any shortage of goods if we have more cases. This is exactly why things spiral out of control and the more people that buy into the panic, the worse it will get. I understand being concerned, and being somewhat prepared, but really? I have read that WHO has cautioned people not to panic.

You do know that the n95 face masks you buy from the paint section are not rated or appropriate for medical usage?

You do know there is a shelf life for even medicine?

Why are you buying gallons of water? This isn't a weather situation where a storm brings down utilities, leaving water and electricity out.

And last but most certainly the most important, why are some of you looking at Asians and thinking they are carriers or someone to mistrust? I grew up reading about the Japanese camps in the US because people had a mass hysteria about Japanese in the Pearl Harbor era. I also lived in the time where people didn't trust Asian people in the US during the Vietnam wars. It was shameful how our Asian US citizens were treated, and I'm seeing some of the same posts in this past week.

I know no one will want to read this, or agree with this, but it needed to be said. And I realize I'm putting myself out for all the posts that will tell me how wrong or ridicule me, however I don't care, this needs to be written.

MOO

I agree, I am not ready to join the prepper party. We already have plenty of everything in this house from shopping at Costco.

Not too worried here. What happens, will happen. My husband, if he catches Coronavirus, is gone, he is over age 80, with COPD and CHF. I told him if he has a "bucket list" we better get it done. We are okay.

What happens, will happen.

 

[Kankan]

I've tried to stay in the shadows, and I do appreciate the news many of you post about this Coronavirus, but I just have to say - turning this forum into a personal panic attack is disturbing and IMO completely out of control. Maybe because I'm older than a lot of you, but why are you stocking up on food, water, dog food? Unless you live in the most highly populated cities, I don't see any shortage of goods if we have more cases. This is exactly why things spiral out of control and the more people that buy into the panic, the worse it will get. I understand being concerned, and being somewhat prepared, but really? I have read that WHO has cautioned people not to panic.

You do know that the n95 face masks you buy from the paint section are not rated or appropriate for medical usage?

You do know there is a shelf life for even medicine?

Why are you buying gallons of water? This isn't a weather situation where a storm brings down utilities, leaving water and electricity out.

And last but most certainly the most important, why are some of you looking at Asians and thinking they are carriers or someone to mistrust? I grew up reading about the Japanese camps in the US because people had a mass hysteria about Japanese in the Pearl Harbor era. I also lived in the time where people didn't trust Asian people in the US during the Vietnam wars. It was shameful how our Asian US citizens were treated, and I'm seeing some of the same posts in this past week.

I know no one will want to read this, or agree with this, but it needed to be said. And I realize I'm putting myself out for all the posts that will tell me how wrong or ridicule me, however I don't care, this needs to be written.

MOO

I’m super new to this particular thread but personally I’m not worried about running out of goods per say. I just don’t want to have to get out in public if there is an outbreak near us or quarantine. To me less exposure is a good thing and I like to be prepared. No mass panic here but I don’t see how stocking up on non perishables is a bad thing? Best case scenario nothing happens and we’ll be prepped early for tornado season. I’m ok with it.

 

[WideOpen]

I have been following along with much anticipation from very early on in this virus. I have found everything shared here and documented in the threads to be valuable resources in my own planning and mental stability! So, thanks a bunch to those of you who are here and contributing, day by day- presser by presser.

Because we have been long time members at WS there are many of you here whom I have come to respect for your keen judgement, sleuthing skills, and "gut instincts". I have been prepping by staying informed and stocking up on items that I feel fit the occasion. We live in a frequent hurricane area. I know what it's like to see the masses empty out a Walmart in a days time. I like being stocked up. I have my comfort items too.

Lastly, from following along here I agree with several other members who see this as a serious possibly life altering "P". I keep running through my mind of the Chinese response and the drastic measures they have taken to control this virus, it has been bizare. There is so much we don't know yet, I am watching and waiting with you all.
JMO

 

[LaborDayRN]

While the US Food and Drug is not aware of any shortages of medical products being reported in the United States, it is monitoring some that could be at risk, FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn told reporters Tuesday.

"FDA is keenly aware that the outbreak will likely affect the medical product supply chain, including potential disruptions to suppliers [and] shortages of critical medical products in the US," Hahn said.
In particular, the FDA is keeping its eye on personal protective equipment such as face masks and gowns used by health care workers. The agency is proactively reaching out to hundreds of manufacturers of medical products for information related to these concerns, Hahn said.

More on this: US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said some of the $2.5 billion requested funds would be used to purchase personal protection equipment for the national stockpile. On Tuesday morning, Azar told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee there are 30 million N95 respirators in the Strategic National Stockpile, and the US would need about 10 times that for health care workers.

Coronavirus fears spread across globe

I'm curious where these will be purchased from. Many of our medical supplies come from China......and they aren't producing much at the moment. Mooooo

 

[Henry2326]

The U.S. military says one of its soldiers based in South Korea has tested positive for the new coronavirus, the first American service member infected.
South Korean virus cases jump again, 1st US soldier infected
The Associated Press on Twitter


A U.S. military statement said the 23-year-old soldier who tested positive was in self quarantine at his off-base residence. He had been based in Camp Caroll in a town near Daegu, and visited Camp Walker in Daegu earlier this week.
South Korean virus cases jump again, 1st US soldier infected

 

[Henry2326]

Algeria reports first case of coronavirus
From CNN’s Mohammed Tawfeeq in Atlanta
Algeria confirmed its first case of coronavirus on Tuesday, according to an announcement by Algerian health minister Abdel-Rahman Bin Bouzid on state-run broadcaster al-Nahar.

The patient is an Italian citizen who entered the North African country on February 17, the minister said. The patient was placed in quarantine, and is under close supervision.

Emergency measures worldwide as coronavirus fears spread: Live updates

 

[KALI]

Great question. I don't use twitter. Anyone know how many passengers are on this ship? Safe to assume mostly Americans, other then the crew?
If so, I'd think that this ship is America's problem.
Time to issue travel warnings for future cruise trips!!!
Where are we supposed to quarantine ALL of these mostly elderly passengers???

I am sure Mexico and the Bahamas will also deny and then the ship returns to Miami who will handle this?

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[beatrixpotter]

Personally I found the article from yesterday about the families in Wuhan struggling to access food really sad, especially the mother talking about having barely enough milk powder for her toddler. If I as a mother have more of a heads up I will make sure I have enough food for my children and family for a while. I think that is very much in keeping with WHO saying that every family and individual needs to start preparing for a pandemic. What do you think preparing for a pandemic actually entails?

Keeping a minimal supply of food in the house is a result of the just in time grocery system. It's not how humans have traditionally lived till very very recently. If some random on Websleuths thinks providing for your family is weird and wants to make sure other people know it...well whatever. lol Have fun patting yourself on the back for being ill prepared?

 

[gregjrichards]

I listened to the cdc call today. Both cnn & fox news asked very politically motivated questions which kind of scared me. This shouldn't be political.

I totally agree it’s been driving me crazy the press using this crisis to criticise you know who. This tragedy should not be used in that way.

 

[LadyL]

Home depot or Lowe's

I have Home Depot and Canadian Tire here - all masks sold out online, except for the flimsy paper ones and I already have a 50-pack of those cause I'm immune compromised from chemo. I'm a bit worried that everywhere is sold out online here already. Maybe they have stock in store.

 

[KALI]

Unfortunately, we don't have the REAL facts because we are dealing with countries that don't tell the truth. This is for sure MY Opinion.

A lot of ppl are confused re this virus but lets not classify that only newbies have false info. The media does not help either with their personal narrative. CDC needs to start having public service announcements to educate ppl with what to do and give the true facts. JMO

 

[beatrixpotter]

I’m super new to this particular thread but personally I’m not worried about running out of goods per say. I just don’t want to have to get out in public if there is an outbreak near us or quarantine. To me less exposure is a good thing and I like to be prepared. No mass panic here but I don’t see how stocking up on non perishables is a bad thing? Best case scenario nothing happens and we’ll be prepped early for tornado season. I’m ok with it.

Exactly. I'm just buying what I'd already be buying a few weeks ahead of time in case we need to actually deal with the situations the WHO and the CDC are talking about. I'm also responsible for a lot of people besides myself. I have multiple children. And I have elderly parents on a fixed income.

I'm baffled why someone else would be bothered that total strangers are buying food for their families. Of all the things to be bothered by this is an odd one to me?!

 

[LaborDayRN]

So i live in Colorado but lived in Germany until age 19... i still watch the Tagesschau (german news). It is crazy how the tone of the news differ between Germany and here. I realize that Europe is in the midst of it already, but seems that this will be the case here as well... I work in hospital and am definitely bracing myself...

I'm also bracing myself for work. I have no idea what this will be like in the hospital setting. I guess we'll find out!