Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #8

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Coronavirus Live Updates: South Korea Reports 800 New Cases
South Korea has the largest coronavirus outbreak outside of China, with a total of 3,150 cases.

“Officials from the three states announced that their testing had found new cases: a high school student from Washington State; an employee of a school in Oregon, near Portland; and a woman in Santa Clara County, Calif., in the heart of Silicon Valley.”

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““If we were worried yesterday, we are even more worried today,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. “Now we have to ask: How widely, really widely, is this virus out there?””

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““We’re going to be increasingly recommending that people try and avoid crowds and close contact with other people,” Dr. Jeff Duchin, health officer for Public Health Seattle & King County, said. “We may get to a point where we want to recommend canceling large public gatherings — social events, sporting events, entertainment — until we get over a hump of what might be a large outbreak.””
 
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All those children with no vaccines.....what kind of complications might that cause if they get this? I'm sure this virus will lovvvvve a pure host.....IYKWIM....

Children seem to be relatively safe, but if some were infected at school and took the virus home, and their parents took it to work, then it spreads more widely in 2-3 weeks.
 
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“The United States military, which has more than 28,000 personnel in South Korea, said on Saturday that the spouse of an American soldier infected with the virus had also tested positive for it. She had been in self-quarantine since Wednesday, following her husband’s diagnosis, and was being transported to a military hospital, the military said.

Also on Saturday, Mr. Kim, North Korea’s leader, convened the Politburo of his ruling party to order an all-out campaign to prevent an outbreak, state media reported. The North has not reported any coronavirus cases, but there has been concern that the secretive, totalitarian country could be hiding an outbreak.”

Coronavirus Live Updates: South Korea Reports 800 New Cases
 
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"Closing the high school for 3 days for deep cleaning"......it won't matter. Nobody is going to send their kids back in there for a couple of weeks. They might has well move on to online school. IMO.....

Many parents cannot stay home with children because they have no work benefits, so they send their children to school sick and they go to work sick.

Online virtual school is something that has to be decided by school district. The sooner they figure it out, the sooner families can be cautious and learn from home. I think that if school districts have no experience/history with virtual teaching and learning, they should look at Canvas learning management system with Zoom video conferencing. It's all free.
 
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Children seem to be relatively safe, but if some were infected at school and took the virus home, and their parents took it to work, then it spreads more widely in 2-3 weeks.
I don't think its been tested....for example, like the ship environment. But this might be the case that test it.....especially children with no vaccines.
 
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It's about time that airlines re-introduced some class to the service they offer. This basement bottom greyhound bus experience that is currently available on all airplanes needs a re-think.
PhillipineAir just layed off 300 employees,
FinnAir is about to layoff 700 Pilots
 
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This is one antiviral drug that's being trialed in China right now - looks pretty promising to
me. Plant based, already FDA approved, works on SARS and Ebola, and it's cheap.


A made-in-Canada solution to the coronavirus outbreak?
The best hope for an antiviral drug may come from Michel Chrétien’s Montreal lab
by Nick Taylor-Vaisey
Feb 24, 2020

  • Fifteen years ago, a medical researcher named Michel Chrétien and his longtime collaborator Majambu Mbikay, a Congolese scientist, unhatched a theory in their Montreal laboratory. In the aftermath of the SARS epidemic that infected 8,000 patients in 26 countries, Chrétien and Mbikay, researchers at the Clinical Research Institute of Montreal (IRCM), began testing their idea that a derivative of quercetin, a plant compound known to help lower cholesterol and treat inflammatory disease—and common, at low doses, in over-the-counter medication—was a “broad spectrum” antiviral drug that could fight a range of viruses.

When an Ebola outbreak struck West Africa in 2014, the two scientists teamed up with the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg to test quercetin’s effectiveness on mice infected with Ebola—and found it effective even when administered only minutes before infection. It still needs to undergo clinical trials.

But when a new global health crisis erupted in Wuhan, China late last year, Chrétien and his team once again got to thinking. They believed the drug might work on COVID-19, which has infected nearly 80,000 people and killed 2,600, according to the World Health Organization. They knew a Swiss drug manufacturer, Quercegen Pharmaceuticals, could rapidly produce doses of the treatment in the hundreds of thousands.

The 84-year-old Chrétien was, for a time, the world’s seventh most cited scientist. His name runs atop more than 600 publications and he proudly affixes an Order of Canada pin to his lapel. His achievements rival those of his older brother Jean—an impressive claim given that particular sibling served as prime minister of Canada for a decade. Michel has almost certainly saved more lives in his time.

Michel Chrétien has a long-standing connection to high-level scientists in China. While a student at Berkeley University, he received some training from a Chinese researcher, Dr. C.H. Li, an enduring connection that saw him visit and work in China eight times starting in 1979. In the 1980s, Chrétien was an honorary professor at the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and Peking Union Medical College. In 1984, when he started a decade-long stint as president of the IRCM, he trained emerging scientists from China there. One of those relative youngsters was Chen Zhu, a molecular biologist who, back home in China, eventually entered politics and served as minister of health from 2007 until 2013. When a novel coronavirus outbreak exploded in China this past January, Chrétien contacted Zhu with an offer: “Can we help?”

Zhu contacted officials at the highest levels of the National Health Commission, the government agency managing the crisis. Word came back to Chrétien and his team in mid-February. Last week, they invited Chrétien’s team to start clinical trials in China. The plan: send samples of quercetin to the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Wuhan. The Canadian and Chinese scientists would collaborate on the trials, which would include about 1,000 test patients. Chrétien and Mbikay plan to join colleagues from the non-profit International Consortium of Antivirals—which Chrétien co-founded with Jeremy Carver in 2004 as a response to the SARS epidemic—in manning a 24/7 communications centre as soon as clinical trials go ahead.

The U.S.-based Food and Drug Administration has already approved quercetin as safe for human consumption, which means the researchers can skip testing on animals. If the treatment works, it’ll be readily available. Now Chrétien just needs the funding to start the trials. He estimates the teams need $5 million. But the payoff, he says, could be huge.


Chrétien’s team says their treatment would cost only $2 a day. They’ve spent weeks pursuing officials at Global Affairs Canada, including senior staff in the office of Foreign Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne. The request was then flipped to Health Canada. There’s no time to waste, says Chrétien. “I’ve been doing science all my life. I’ve stumbled on things my entire career, and this is probably the most urgent one I’ve been confronted with,” he says.

Quercetin isn’t the only possible treatment for COVID-19; Nature reported that 80 clinical trials on potential treatments are underway in China. But it remains one of the biggest potential leaps in finding a treatment for the deadly coronavirus strain; if it works, it could save thousands of lives.

Chrétien, who has spent most of his extensive medical career wearing a lab coat and testing hypotheses, simply touts the benefits of academic freedom as he and his team go about their work. “Basic science is worth doing for the sake of doing it, not knowing what the results will be in the short term or medium term,” he says. “Long-term returns can be big.”

Marking. Yay, plant based and not tested on animals. My kinda drug.
 
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A vibe since we first learned that China was in trouble, and before any quarantines, was that this was out of control in China. It's now out of control across the planet and no one knows where it came from, how to stop it, how to test for it, and how to prevent it. WHO and governments are looking in the wrong direction with politics, supply chains, tourism and money.

They failed the money front, with enormous sell-offs equivalent to recession in the last couple of days. Tourism is another fail because no one wants potentially sick people docking or landing in uninfected countries. Supply chains are probably screwed due to work stoppage, so people will look at black market get rich schemes. How many rolls of toilet paper does that apple guru have set aside?

Speaking of tourism, here in Florida (Orlando)
our (R) Gov. held a press conference to allay
fear considering we're the #1 Tourist Destination in US and have thousands of foreign visitors daily, and the Gov. refused to
discuss statistics when questioned by a reporter. Claimed it's a state law preventing dissemination of # of cases, # being monitored, etc. He's just following orders from
DC.
I'm sure our theme parks are doing the happy dance w/ a news blackout on the virus.
Heck disney doesn't want the bottom line affected.
I feel like we're living in Cuba under Fidel Castro.
 
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Geez.....might as well close it....


Oregon’s first coronavirus case has emerged. The infected person worked at an elementary school in the Portland area, which will be temporarily closed, authorities say. Oregon has 1st coronavirus case: elementary school employee

AP West Region on Twitter

Oregon has 1st coronavirus case: elementary school employee

Logic would dictate there are many other cases out there, they just haven't been tested yet. How many recent deaths due to generic flu are attributable to COVID19? If they don't test, they don't count.

In our area, a well known cardiologist at a major hospital died from the flu last week. He was only 60 and healthy. I hope he was tested for COVID 19. The article didn't say and I wonder if public health officials would reveal that info? For now, we have to assume they're being honest.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/l...uenza/95-3b80e3d4-ff1c-430d-a0e2-962c514f7a46
 
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Or they need to buy up hand sanitizer, but the supply is gone. AACK! Shudder. Not kidding you, I've read these words on this forum.

Obviously we all read and interpret what we see, most times different than the next person. But I just want to point out that the sky is not falling IMO and people need to be aware that the spread of doom and gloom with nothing about a little hope, is the worst way to cause panic. Panic leads to chaos, chaos leads to sadness. I am only trying to say there is another way to look at this health emergency. Trust your community leaders, not gossip mongers.

Just MOO.

Yeah I used the word “shudder”. And the problem is? Perhaps you should pull the reference quotes associated with those?

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Re: Trust your community leaders, “not gossip mongers.”

Gee thanks for the advice, because we’ve been previously quoting “gossip mongers” you know, like Dr. Tedros, Dr. Mike, Dr. Nancy. :rolleyes:

Not digging the vibe as I’m catching up in here.

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I hope the dynamic changes as I continue to catch up on the posts. This is a highly sensitive situation. We are an academic forum. Don’t insult people here.

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Yeah we’re buying hand sanitizer. Aren’t you??
 
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I don't think its been tested....for example, like the ship environment. But this might be the case that test it.....especially children with no vaccines.

Children seem to be especially resilient with no indication yet or re-infection. They are a low risk group, so perhaps good for testing, but not a good group for the general population.

Children with no vaccines - the idea is that they are supposed to develop their own immunity. I'm curious whether the children of anti-vaxers are more able to recover from the virus quickly and robustly, or whether they are severely disadvantaged.
 
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Speaking of tourism, here in Florida (Orlando)
our (R) Gov. held a press conference to allay
fear considering we're the #1 Tourist Destination in US and have thousands of foreign visitors daily, and the Gov. refused to
discuss statistics when questioned by a reporter. Claimed it's a state law preventing dissemination of # of cases, # being monitored, etc. He's just following orders from
DC.
I'm sure our theme parks are doing the happy dance w/ a news blackout on the virus.
Heck disney doesn't want the bottom line affected.
I feel like we're living in Cuba under Fidel Castro.
Well think of this way....he shouldn't cause a panic with no information. Any reasonable person can assume based on what you just said that it's bound to be there. The real panic is around the corner.....but it should happen with real data, not him just shooting from the hip. Really Cuba??? :)
 
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Children seem to be especially resilient with no indication yet or re-infection. They are a low risk group, so perhaps good for testing, but not a good group for the general population.

Children with no vaccines - the idea is that they are supposed to develop their own immunity. I'm curious whether the children of anti-vaxers are more able to recover from the virus quickly and robustly, or whether they are severely disadvantaged.
I guess we are about to find out with live host. Science says they will be disadvantaged.....polio and measle history agrees....
 
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Well think of this way....he shouldn't cause a panic with no information. Any reasonable person can assume based on what you just said that it's bound to be there. The real panic is around the corner.....but it should happen with real data, not him just shooting from the hip. Really Cuba??? :)

If he was clever, he's on a peninsula and can easily close borders. Will he? For now, all we have are infected areas closing borders. Why aren't healthy areas closing border and even expelling ill people?
 
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I guess we are about to find out with live host. Science says they will be disadvantaged.....polio and measle history agrees....

Cruel but true?
 
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