Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #9

[whitelilac]

JMO
I had never used Clorox Wipes until about a week ago when I picked some up for the first time. They are fantastic and I wiped my long overdue sink area down with it and my goodness that stuff is good. Everything felt clean as a whistle when I was done. I was very impressed with Clorox Wipes for cleaning combined with disenfecting things.

The label says it kills 99.9% of Viruses and Bacteria. I dont know accurate it is, but it sure seemed to work really well and things felt very clean after using it. Just wanted to share my opinion on the stuff as I had never used it till recently.

I also put a few in a sandwich baggie to have in my car, and in my bag when I do errands....I've become one of those germaphobe people that wipes everything down lol.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I wear those masks all the time but reuse them like hell. I use them when cleaning because I’m allergic to animals and have a bunch. But even with an old mask it keeps out tons of allergens because I get allergies if I don’t wear it and none if I do.

I do a lot of wood work and landscaping and stuff and wear them for that as well. Sweating hasn’t made them unusable but when they get covered with dust I usually get a new one.

You should get the washable ones with the replaceable filters for that stuff, maybe.

 

[margarita25]

Washington State Health website is providing the number of people infected, tested, waiting results and family member are being asked to monitor their health at home. Asking people who are showing signs of the virus to stay away from their pets. Instead find a caregiver or a family member to care for the pets . That’s stressing for someone who loves to cuddle with their pet.
I attempted to copy and paste but instead made a muck of things.

Yeah, honestly I just came across a CDC report on that earlier this evening but was too bummed to post it right then.

Sigh:

“Update: February 14, 2020

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Prevention steps for
People with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 (including persons under investigation) who do not need to be hospitalized

and

People with confirmed COVID-19 who were hospitalized and determined to be medically stable to go home

Separate yourself from other people and animals in your home

People: As much as possible, you should stay in a specific room and away from other people in your home. Also, you should use a separate bathroom, if available.

Animals: You should restrict contact with pets and other animals while you are sick with COVID-19, just like you would around other people. Although there have not been reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19, it is still recommended that people sick with COVID-19 limit contact with animals until more information is known about the virus. When possible, have another member of your household care for your animals while you are sick. If you are sick with COVID-19, avoid contact with your pet, including petting, snuggling, being kissed or licked, and sharing food. If you must care for your pet or be around animals while you are sick, wash your hands before and after you interact with pets and wear a facemask. See COVID-19 and Animals for more information.”

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[gitana1]

https://www.stretcher.com/stories/00/001120a.cfm

Homemade wipes

Thanks for that!!

 

[gitana1]

If anyone needs Clorox disinfecting wipes, Staples is selling 3 packs on sale, as well as the bigger containers. There were a lot when I went yesterday.

Nice. But what do people use them for? Surfaces in public? Where do you put the used wipe?

 

[whitelilac]

Nice. But what do people use them for? Surfaces in public? Where do you put the used wipe?

Yes, surfaces, ....supermarket cart handles and such, even the steering wheel, you're not always conscious of what you touch....I put the used ones in a baggie to throw out. I also receive stuff from Amazon, and if the item is in a plastic bag, I wipe that too. Ridiculous isn't it?

 

[Auntie Cipation]

Nice. But what do people use them for? Surfaces in public? Where do you put the used wipe?

I have just discovered these too. At the library I work at I use them for public access computer keyboards, mice, etc, as well as doorknobs, countertops and kids chairs.

In vehicle I use them on steering wheel, door handles, seat belts, window controls etc.

At home I use them mostly for doorknobs and cabinet contact surfaces.

I used one on a shopping cart handle recently.

I've just been putting them in regular wastebaskets (that are ok for damp things) and in the car I have a plastic trash bag. If I was cleaning potential cv germs I would probably put them in a ziplock type bag if not straight into outdoor garbage can.

 

[margarita25]

Nice. But what do people use them for? Surfaces in public? Where do you put the used wipe?

I use them for my door handles, light switches, faucets, other cleaning at home and dispose of them in the trash.

I haven’t made them mobile at this time but I suppose I will.

I do always carry hand wipes with me though for my hands, shopping carts in case they don’t have any, etc.

ETA: Oh I also use them for the bottom of my shoes (I wear disposable rubber gloves while doing that).

(I have indoor shoes and outdoor shoes.)

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ETA2: @gitana1 - also surfaces like computer keyboards and phones, stove knobs, oven door handle, fridge handle, microwave handle, cupboard handles, drawer handle...etc etc

 

[Tadpole12]

Yep. They are great to detail your car, esp dark interior.

ETA and they remove black lab drool and spittle splashes on walls,
Glass doors = real good

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Viral infections like coronavirus often lead to secondary infections like pneumonia, and those secondary infections are often bacterial. Those bacterial infections can spread and develop into sepsis.

Thank you! This is often why antibiotics are prescribed when we have a viral infection! It compromises our systems and opens us to bacterial infections.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Yes, surfaces, ....supermarket cart handles and such, even the steering wheel, you're not always conscious of what you touch....I put the used ones in a baggie to throw out. I also receive stuff from Amazon, and if the item is in a plastic bag, I wipe that too. Ridiculous isn't it?

Bleach type wipes are absolutely very effective. If you happen to end up with someone who is actually sick and contagious at home, you may want to break out the big guns. These are similar to the ones we use at work. They're a little pricey and they are strong, so I recommend wearing gloves when using them. And obviously keep out of the reach of children and pets.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GEZEA...olid=292CYT43P45P4&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

 

[Tadpole12]

Bleach type wipes are absolutely very effective. If you happen to end up with someone who is actually sick and contagious at home, you may want to break out the big guns. These are similar to the ones we use at work. They're a little pricey and they are strong, so I recommend wearing gloves when using them. And obviously keep out of the reach of children and pets.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GEZEA...olid=292CYT43P45P4&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Oh what I could do with a pound of those wipes.

 

[whitelilac]

You know, this is such a change in habits for me. I've never been leery of germs and have a pretty strong constitution (hopefully still). I spent my childhood in Costa Rica, where we were always in the dirt and stuff, many of us actually had treatments for worms and parasites of one sort or another... traveling now, I'm fortunate to never have a problem with local foods, water etc., never had issues with Montezuma's revenge and such......and here I am now with a cupboard stuffed with all sorts of preventative lotions, liquids, zinc lozenges, advil, immunity strengtheners like echinacea, turmeric and the like. It's crazy.

 

[margarita25]

As far as the possibility of infecting your pets, without evening thinking about that possibility previously, I had already mentioned earlier to think about, if you would get sick, then who would take care of your pets. Remember, data from China has proven that familial transmission is very high, so the automatic answer of “my daughter”, “my partner”, “my roommate”, etc. might not be realistic if everyone close to you is in quarantine/sick.

Again, this all sounds like cart before the horse/alarmist but we ARE discussing preparedness and planning as advised by our officials on this matter.

We have to learn from the past. Sure the US (and other countries) may be different from China in many ways, but again this virus doesn’t respect borders. We saw pets starving. Let’s make sure there’s a plan in case you get “thrown in the hole”.

 

[KALI]

Of course. I wish everyone thought the same way. I know I do!

I’m worried that my city will be locked down or that I will have to isolate so I want to make sure I have some of the things I need.

 

[margarita25]

Another thing about the possibility of infecting your pets:

In a PC last week, the day after the report came out about the quarantined Pomeranian in Hong Kong, a reporter asked about this potential for human to dog transmission.

Dr. Mike said “I’ll refer the question on ‘man’s best friend’ to Dr. Maria”. I was suuuuuuure she was going to minimize it, maybe even laugh it off. Then she said that is something they are certainly investigating, and the dog was being tested on and my heart dropped and I thought holy crap.

Poor dog. Lab animal now.

One thing she did say is that they are looking to see if the dog picked it up via transmission via the ground, etc. (paraphrasing)

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Dbm

 

[Herat]

Right. Again, sepsis is bacterial, and Corona is viral. You're not getting sepsis from corona. You're gettng it from the treatment, i.e., the IV/PICC, or from being in the hospital, in general.

I'm going to have to put you on ignore if you keep up with this.

"Sepsis" is a very complex medical problem. It's really a combination of changes in the body fighting an infection from ANY of a variety of pathogens or sites.

It's not black and white: bacteria vs virus

And it has NOTHING to do with IV's placed for hospital therapy.

The complex cytokine reactions induced by severe viral infections show changes that produce a "sepsis-like" life endangering reaction.

I don't think it benefits discussion of critically ill patients who start to develop multi-organ failure from a variety of pathogens to persevere on this simplistic line of reasoning that is not correct.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

You know, this is such a change in habits for me. I've never been leery of germs and have a pretty strong constitution (hopefully still). I spent my childhood in Costa Rica, where we were always in the dirt and stuff, many of us actually had treatments for worms and parasites of one sort or another... traveling now, I'm fortunate to never have a problem with local foods, water etc., never had issues with Montezuma's revenge and such......and here I am now with a cupboard stuffed with all sorts of preventative lotions, liquids, zinc lozenges, advil, immunity strengtheners like echinacea, turmeric and the like. It's crazy.

Yeah, same here. I'm wary of toxic stuff but generally felt like regular ol' dirt was not particularly dangerous. Especially since I live alone so it's all MY dirt...

I'm much more oriented toward not buying stuff in plastic packaging and avoiding disposables in general. I don't normally have paper towels at home (I use dish towels and rags) or kleenex (I use handkerchiefs and bandanas).

But in my recent "pandemic preparedness shopping" I bought both tissues and paper towels. They are in case I become ill (again, I'm planning as much for flu as for cv). If I never use them I'll donate the packages to my library where we regularly use both. Although since they don't go bad I suppose I could keep them for years if needed.

We always have the bleach wipes at the library but once this crisis is past, I don't plan to have them at home because I don't like bleach (in the past I have only used it once, when cleaning up an old house with old mouse droppings that could have carried hantavirus) and I don't like so much plastic packaging. If I feel like they are important to keep using on a long-term basis, I'll try making my own like someone just posted a link for. At least then I could use a reusable container and alcohol rather than bleach.

 

[Herat]

Not. Look at the diagram. They're telling you the source of the sepsis.

Epidemiology and Immune Pathogenesis of Viral Sepsis

A little knowledge is very dangerous thing.

Google is not your Doctor

 

[margarita25]

More random musings, another thing about California specifically, since we ARE discussing a respiratory syndrome (omg I’ve been listening to too much Dr. Mike, I just said “respiratory” in his accent in my head lol)...anyway California has gotten their arses kicked with air quality issues as related to the fires. @gitana1 and I discussed that last year. Not sure if that has any relevance at all, but thought I’d mention it, if anyone who has preexisting problems as a result of that may be more prone...maybe not. Just random musings. Some better than others lol.