Coronavirus COVID-19 *Global Health Emergency* #9

[OhioBlues]

Here is the detail about the Hong Kong dog that tested 'weakly' positive.


A dog in Hong Kong tests positive for the coronavirus, WHO officials confirm

 

[margarita25]

Here is the detail about the Hong Kong dog that tested positive.


A dog in Hong Kong tests positive for the coronavirus, WHO officials confirm

BBM / important to keep this in mind:

• WHO confirmed that a dog in Hong Kong has tested “weakly positive” for COVID-19.
• Hong Kong scientists aren’t sure if the dog is actually infected or if it picked up the virus from a contaminated surface.
• Swabs of its nasal and oral cavities tested “weak positive,” Hong Kong agriculture officials said.

 

[Herat]

BBM / important to keep this in mind:

• WHO confirmed that a dog in Hong Kong has tested “weakly positive” for COVID-19.
• Hong Kong scientists aren’t sure if the dog is actually infected or if it picked up the virus from a contaminated surface.
• Swabs of its nasal and oral cavities tested “weak positive,” Hong Kong agriculture officials said.

The tests are not validated for canine, so I consider them absolutely unreliable for non-human species.

Most testing deals with anti-human antibody testing, not anti-canine or anti-feline, or anti-equine, or anti-ovine.

If isn't validated for dogs you cannot possibly rely on the results.

 

[margarita25]

Lysol, Clorox likely effective in killing COVID-19, EPA suggests, but testing hasn’t yet been done

Published 1 hour ago
Coronavirus

 

[margarita25]

Yeah, same here. I'm wary of toxic stuff but generally felt like regular ol' dirt was not particularly dangerous. Especially since I live alone so it's all MY dirt...

I'm much more oriented toward not buying stuff in plastic packaging and avoiding disposables in general. I don't normally have paper towels at home (I use dish towels and rags) or kleenex (I use handkerchiefs and bandanas).

But in my recent "pandemic preparedness shopping" I bought both tissues and paper towels. They are in case I become ill (again, I'm planning as much for flu as for cv). If I never use them I'll donate the packages to my library where we regularly use both. Although since they don't go bad I suppose I could keep them for years if needed.

We always have the bleach wipes at the library but once this crisis is past, I don't plan to have them at home because I don't like bleach (in the past I have only used it once, when cleaning up an old house with old mouse droppings that could have carried hantavirus) and I don't like so much plastic packaging. If I feel like they are important to keep using on a long-term basis, I'll try making my own like someone just posted a link for. At least then I could use a reusable container and alcohol rather than bleach.

Now if you’re cleaning up mouse droppings I definitely recommend a mask lol moo.

 

[firebird]

I'm going to have to put you on ignore if you keep up with this.

"Sepsis" is a very complex medical problem. It's really a combination of changes in the body fighting an infection from ANY of a variety of pathogens or sites.

It's not black and white: bacteria vs virus

And it has NOTHING to do with IV's placed for hospital therapy.

The complex cytokine reactions induced by severe viral infections show changes that produce a "sepsis-like" life endangering reaction.

I don't think it benefits discussion of critically ill patients who start to develop multi-organ failure from a variety of pathogens to persevere on this simplistic line of reasoning that is not correct.

Ignore me away dahling. We needn't agree on everything.

 

[firebird]

I'm going to have to put you on ignore if you keep up with this.

"Sepsis" is a very complex medical problem. It's really a combination of changes in the body fighting an infection from ANY of a variety of pathogens or sites.

It's not black and white: bacteria vs virus

And it has NOTHING to do with IV's placed for hospital therapy.

The complex cytokine reactions induced by severe viral infections show changes that produce a "sepsis-like" life endangering reaction.

I don't think it benefits discussion of critically ill patients who start to develop multi-organ failure from a variety of pathogens to persevere on this simplistic line of reasoning that is not correct.

Ignore me away dahling. We needn't agree on everything.

A little knowledge is very dangerous thing.

Google is not your Doctor

 

[margarita25]

BBC:
Coronavirus: Italian economy takes a body blow
5 hours ago

“That matters, because northern Italy is the country's industrial powerhouse. Lombardy alone accounts for 40% of Italian industrial output. Milan is Italy's key centre for finance and a range of other services.

Milan is not one of the areas covered by the shutdown. But even so, major tourist and cultural sites such as the cathedral (the Duomo) and the opera house La Scala have been closed.“

More at link

 

[Auntie Cipation]

lol! That was 20 years so I don't recall but pretty sure I wore a mask. Hantavirus is nasty and folks have died from it. It merited bleach! And I'm sure a mask too...

oops that was reply to @margarita25

 

[whitelilac]

Riverside County...(near Los Angeles)
I wasn't aware of this

54 people in Riverside County self-quarantine as concerns over outbreak grow

 

[Lilibet]

I'm going to have to put you on ignore if you keep up with this.

"Sepsis" is a very complex medical problem. It's really a combination of changes in the body fighting an infection from ANY of a variety of pathogens or sites.

It's not black and white: bacteria vs virus

And it has NOTHING to do with IV's placed for hospital therapy.

The complex cytokine reactions induced by severe viral infections show changes that produce a "sepsis-like" life endangering reaction.

I don't think it benefits discussion of critically ill patients who start to develop multi-organ failure from a variety of pathogens to persevere on this simplistic line of reasoning that is not correct.

Thank you. Both my Mom and M-I-L ended up in the hospital with sepsis from neglected urinary tract infections. My Mom survived but we lost my wonderful M-I-L eight years ago yesterday. In August of 2018 I ended up in ER with what turned out to be a gall bladder attack. The ER physician said I needed surgery. I resisted (my last surgery in 1949 when I was 3...a tonsillectomy...did not go well). She told me it was infected and there was a danger of sepsis if I delayed. OK! Where do I sign up for surgery, doc? These all happened to be bacterial infections acquired before an IV was ever used.

I’m not saying IVs never cause infections that can cause sepsis, but they certainly aren’t the only cause or likely even the most common cause, even in the case of COVID-19, which is what the graphic under discussion is illustrating regarding potential complications. It was just a graphic illustration, not intended as a scientific discussion of the causes of sepsis. Most patients are not going to be so ignorant as to take the graphic literally and refuse a necessary IV in order to avoid sepsis. At least I hope not!

 

[firebird]

Thank you. Both my Mom and M-I-L ended up in the hospital with sepsis from neglected urinary tract infections. My Mom survived but we lost my wonderful M-I-L eight years ago yesterday. In August of 2018 I ended up in ER with what turned out to be a gall bladder attack. The ER physician said I needed surgery. I resisted (my last surgery in 1949 when I was 3...a tonsillectomy...did not go well). She told me it was infected and there was a danger of sepsis if I delayed. OK! Where do I sign up for surgery, doc? These all happened to be bacterial infections acquired before an IV was ever used.

I’m not saying IVs never cause infections that can cause sepsis, but they certainly aren’t the only cause or likely even the most common cause, even in the case of COVID-19, which is what the graphic under discussion is illustrating regarding potential complications. It was just a graphic illustration, not intended as a scientific discussion of the causes of sepsis. Most patients are not going to be so ignorant as to take the graphic literally and re a necessary IV in order to avoid sepsis. At least I hope not!

Sepsis happens as a primary issue in other contexts. Corona virus is not one of them. The diagram is showing that if you get sepsis related to corona virus, it's the treatment, not the illness, that causes the sepsis. Ask a medical profesional or, hopefully, one will chime in here.

 

[KALI]

Out of stock. Don't know when they'll be available again. According to Amazon.
Guess people are paying attention! Good!

Bleach type wipes are absolutely very effective. If you happen to end up with someone who is actually sick and contagious at home, you may want to break out the big guns. These are similar to the ones we use at work. They're a little pricey and they are strong, so I recommend wearing gloves when using them. And obviously keep out of the reach of children and pets.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GEZEA...olid=292CYT43P45P4&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

 

[margarita25]

@gitana1 , another big one I use the Clorox/Lysol wipes for is for the trash can / step cans. Exterior, edges, foot step, lid interior, etc.

Really these wipes are used interchangeably imo as if you had a bottle of Clorox cleaner and a paper towel, moo, kitchen and bathroom cleaning, etc. Toilet seat!!

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Nice. But what do people use them for? Surfaces in public? Where do you put the used wipe?

I use them for my door handles, light switches, faucets, other cleaning at home and dispose of them in the trash.

I haven’t made them mobile at this time but I suppose I will.

I do always carry hand wipes with me though for my hands, shopping carts in case they don’t have any, etc.

ETA: Oh I also use them for the bottom of my shoes (I wear disposable rubber gloves while doing that).

(I have indoor shoes and outdoor shoes.)

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ETA2: @gitana1 - also surfaces like computer keyboards and phones, stove knobs, oven door handle, fridge handle, microwave handle, cupboard handles, drawer handle...etc etc

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ETA:

Bleach type wipes are absolutely very effective. If you happen to end up with someone who is actually sick and contagious at home, you may want to break out the big guns. These are similar to the ones we use at work. They're a little pricey and they are strong, so I recommend wearing gloves when using them. And obviously keep out of the reach of children and pets.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001GEZEA...olid=292CYT43P45P4&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Yes indeed. I always wear gloves with them. Otherwise your skin gets that slimy soft “exposed to bleach” feeling.

 

[dotr]

COVID-19 latest: Italian cases spike to 1,128, authorities say
COVID-19 updates:The family of jailed British woman
Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe suspects she has coronavirus in Iran * France confirms 100 cases of coronavirus in the country

• One person has died in the United States in the state of WashingtonThe US is banning any foreign national who has travelled to Iran in the last 14 days
• Wall Street has its worst week since October 2008 due to coronavirus fears
• Mexico reported its first case
• Japan ordered all schools to be closed after this weekend
• Saudi Arabia banned travel to Mecca, just months before the annual Hajj pilgrimage
• A woman in California tested positive without having travelled to a zone at risk
• Facebook said it would cancel F8, its annual developer conference.

Global risk level at its highest
It comes after the World Health Organization (WHO) raised the global risk level from COVID-19 from "high" to "very high" on Friday as the virus continued to spread rapidly outside China, with 67 deaths in 49 countries.

The international body urged people not to travel at all if they have a fever or cough, and said the "window of opportunity" to contain the coronavirus was "slowly closing".

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Coronavirus in the United States: Cases by State - Worldometer

Cases

1st death in the United States (Washington State) [source] [source]

As of March 01, 2020 at 03:30 GMT, there have been 69 confirmed cases of patients infected with COVID-19 in the United States:

• 44 former passengers of the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan.
• 3 repatriated from Wuhan
• 19 US domestic cases

US DOMESTIC CASES:

• 10 in California
• 3 in Washington state
• 2 in Illinois
• 1 in Wisconsin
• 1 in Arizona
• 1 in Massachusetts
• 1 in Oregon

More information on the 17 domestic cases that do not include repatriated cases and do not include Diamond Princess cruise ship evacuee cases is presented in the table below:

(See Link)

 

[margarita25]

We might need masks to protect us from all these chemical cleaners lol

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Here’s another thing I do, I carry my OWN pen and don’t use the ones at the banks.

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More random musings:

I’m also finding it of interest that CA, OR, WA border each other.

Is this a trend? Maybe not. People travel all over. But it’s worth noting, imo.

 

[margarita25]

Dbm consolidate

 

[firebird]

So, sell Apple, buy Lysol and alprazolam...got it.

 

[margarita25]

So, sell Apple, buy Lysol and alprazolam...got it.

And lots of candy

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So, more random musings:

I haven’t even stepped foot in another thread since all this started.

Just sayin.