Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #100

[GRT]

IMO, many people work in health care for the pay check, not because they care

I'm not sure what their reasoning is, but I think we need to find a different way to try and get them vaccinated.

The CEO of a Texas hospital explains that his facility will likely have to close its doors if the mandate goes through, and we're seeing hundreds of health workers fired because they won't get the shot.

I'm seeing this troublesome issue directly in the nursing home where my mother is. The staff is testing infected at a much higher rate than the residents (I think the residents are mostly vaccinated). Yesterday evening when I went to visit my mom outdoors, I could see her teeth were not clean. They had white plaque around the gum line. When I asked mom why she hadn't brushed her teeth, she told me no one brought her a toothbrush that day. She can't walk and retrieve one herself--she needs to be assisted. She said she asked for one that morning but they must have forgotten. I told the nurse when I took her back to the building and she said some of the aides had quit just the day before and they were really scrambling.

I'm very worried about the level of care--not just for my mom--but for others who live in long-term facilities and for other patients in hospitals.

We never really had good public messaging surrounding the vaccine, and I feel we really dropped the ball there. I feel as though the mandate is backfiring and I wish they'd think of a better way.

 

[GRT]

Who will be there for the sick?

That's a very good question.

 

[SouthAussie]

We never really had good public messaging surrounding the vaccine, and I feel we really dropped the ball there. I feel as though the mandate is backfiring and I wish they'd think of a better way.

I'm not sure what happened in the US to create this issue .. but when I look at the timeline of the vaccine rollout there, some things jump out.

Specifically, there were a significant amount of people back in mid-February who were already saying they would never be vaccinated. And again in mid-March.

I have read articles recently that have said that once people dig their heels in, most of them won't change their minds (I think about 85% them).

I will just put this link here, in case others want to look through the timeline of events/polls/direction/uptake.

A Timeline of COVID-19 Vaccine Developments in 2021

 

[ilovewings]

Exhaustion, regretful patients wish more would take COVID-19 vaccines

A nurse describes her frustration with patients who contracted the virus and wish they had gotten the vaccine and her level of exhaustion, both as a nurse and as a patient when she contracted the virus.

Also, one man's story of how he wished he had gotten the vaccine- a young man who thought he was too healthy to get Covid- who did all those activities, you know, football games, baseball games-- etc---- then, wham, he got Covid. I like his description of the virus: he states he does not know why the virus is described with flu-like symptoms, stating Covid is nothing like the flu, that it is more like alien -type symptoms---- like something is crawling inside your body and trying to take it over---

***Please read the comments below the article and it will show you the absolute ignorance of our populace and we are in deep trouble.

 

[GRT]

I'm not sure what happened in the US to create this issue .. but when I look at the timeline of the vaccine rollout there, some things jump out.

Specifically, there were a significant amount of people back in mid-February who were already saying they would never be vaccinated. And again in mid-March.

I have read articles recently that have said that once people dig their heels in, most of them won't change their minds (I think about 85% them).

I will just put this link here, in case others want to look through the timeline of events/polls/direction/uptake.

A Timeline of COVID-19 Vaccine Developments in 2021

Good source! Thanks.

I think it's true--just from my experience talking to people--that the majority who dig in their heels won't comply. That leaves the healthcare industry--and probably other industries as well--in such a quandary.

In the Texas hospital, nurses have already quit, and from what you posted yesterday, they can likely make more working for clinics and hospitals that don't have mandates.

How did we get so turned around? Your country isn't having those issues, is it?

The only thing I found even slightly encouraging this morning was that the CDC has recorded slightly lower hospitalization rates, which might indicate a lower death rate to come in the next few days/weeks.

I've seriously considered volunteering at my mother's nursing home, just so I can get a chance to check on her regularly.

It's hard to imagine a first world country has come to this.

 

[momrids6]

Back in the 30's, both my Grandfather's sister and my G-Grandmother's sister were in Iola, a Sanitarium for TB. I am starting to wonder if they need to do the same thing for Covid.

 

[ilovewings]

Back in the 30's, both my Grandfather's sister and my G-Grandmother's sister were in Iola, a Sanitarium for TB. I am starting to wonder if they need to do the same thing for Covid.

It's a thought but it won't happen

 

[JerseyGirl]

Trial begins over COVID outbreak in Austrian ski resort

Sieglinde and Ullrich Schopf, the widow and son of a 72-year-old Austrian man who died of COVID-19 after becoming infected in Ischgl, are seeking about 100,000 euros ($117,000) compensation from the government. Their is seen as a test case for a larger class action suit involving hundreds of people who fell ill with COVID-19 following a trip to the Paznaun valley in February and March 2020.

The family is supported by Austria's Consumer Protection Association, which said it is open to a negotiated settlement.

The outbreak in Ischgl, a popular resort in western Austria, is considered one of Europe’s earliest “super-spreader” events of the pandemic.

"Stopping people from leaving and arriving in the Paznaun valley or at least issuing a travel warning — the authorities failed to do that,” said Alexander Klauser, a lawyer representing the Schopf family. “Thousands of people left the Paznaun valley unhindered, thousands of people arrived without a clue that they were in danger.”

 

[musicaljoke]

France has 11.07 nurses per 1,000 people. So that would mean they have about 722,500 nurses.


France Nurses | 1998-2018 Data | 2020-2021 Forecast | Historical | Chart | News
France Population (2021) - Worldometer

Those who were suspended were not necessarily nurses, but are described as health care workers.

That would include receptionists, housekeeping staff, dieticians, those who work in records, delivery, repairs, cleaners, etc ...

From the link, "Véran said “several dozen” had resigned rather than have the vaccine, but with an estimated 2.7 million health workers in France, “continued healthcare is assured”, he said."

“A large number of these suspensions will be temporary,” Véran told RTL radio. “They involved mostly personnel in support service, like those working in laundry or food preparation.” He said very few doctors and nurses remained unvaccinated. “Many of them have decided to get vaccinated now the obligation to do so has become a reality,” he said.

 

[ilovewings]

I'm not sure what their reasoning is, but I think we need to find a different way to try and get them vaccinated.

The CEO of a Texas hospital explains that his facility will likely have to close its doors if the mandate goes through, and we're seeing hundreds of health workers fired because they won't get the shot.

I'm seeing this troublesome issue directly in the nursing home where my mother is. The staff is testing infected at a much higher rate than the residents (I think the residents are mostly vaccinated). Yesterday evening when I went to visit my mom outdoors, I could see her teeth were not clean. They had white plaque around the gum line. When I asked mom why she hadn't brushed her teeth, she told me no one brought her a toothbrush that day. She can't walk and retrieve one herself--she needs to be assisted. She said she asked for one that morning but they must have forgotten. I told the nurse when I took her back to the building and she said some of the aides had quit just the day before and they were really scrambling.

I'm very worried about the level of care--not just for my mom--but for others who live in long-term facilities and for other patients in hospitals.

We never really had good public messaging surrounding the vaccine, and I feel we really dropped the ball there. I feel as though the mandate is backfiring and I wish they'd think of a better way.

I think messaging from politicians is destined to fail. Nobody trusts politicians- well, most people don't anyway--- I think messaging should come from young, hip celebrity type personalities that young people feel they can trust and relate to, and frankly I am surprised that is not being done. Who is going to listen to Biden? not the people that need to get vaccinated that's for sure.

 

[GRT]

It's a beautiful yet haunting reminder of those we've lost here in the states.

It's just too bad it was ever necessary to create it.

More Than 600,000 White Flags On The National Mall Honor Lives Lost To COVID

 

[anneg]

Unvaccinated Covid-19 patients cost $5.7 billion for treatment in the last 3 months, study estimates - CNN

A new analysis published Tuesday estimates that preventable costs for treating hospitalized, unvaccinated Covid-19 patients reached $5.7 billion over the last three months.

This most recent data takes into account the surge in hospitalizations seen in August, which study authors estimate accounted for $3.7 billion of preventable spending alone.

 

[Satchie]

Unvaccinated Covid-19 patients cost $5.7 billion for treatment in the last 3 months, study estimates - CNN

A new analysis published Tuesday estimates that preventable costs for treating hospitalized, unvaccinated Covid-19 patients reached $5.7 billion over the last three months.

This most recent data takes into account the surge in hospitalizations seen in August, which study authors estimate accounted for $3.7 billion of preventable spending alone.

I wonder about private medical insurance. I don't understand the US system, but presumably some premiums might go up if you're not vaccinated.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think messaging from politicians is destined to fail. Nobody trusts politicians- well, most people don't anyway--- I think messaging should come from young, hip celebrity type personalities that young people feel they can trust and relate to, and frankly I am surprised that is not being done. Who is going to listen to Biden? not the people that need to get vaccinated that's for sure.

I think it might take a brave lot of cool personalitites to do that.

We have messaging from all kinds of people here ... TV personalities, rugby players .... the govt public service announcements consist of a huge diverse range of everyday people, as well as med staff.

We had a popular singer here who deleted a pro-vax message from his social media, apologised for it "as he would never tell people what to do", then copped a backlash for being spineless and not standing up for what he believed in (the vaccines).



After deleting a pro-vaccination message from his account he said was shared by his team without his authorisation, Sebastian then posted an apology video insisting he would “never, ever tell people what to do when it comes to their personal health choices.”

Lee was one of many to criticise Sebastian, tweeting that the apology was “actually a really sad example of what happens when your career is dependent on trying to be all things to all people.”

"I think part of the reason the clarifications you’ve made haven’t landed is because if you continue to focus on this ‘personal choice’ aspect, it can almost be perceived as a dog whistle to anti-vaxxers."
“Whereas the reality is, we’re not talking about mandating vaccines, we’re talking about taking a collective action in community health. There’s been no suggestion that vaccines are going to be forced,”
Ben Lee’s DMs with Guy Sebastian over vaccine controversy

 

[pocketaccent]

FDA advisory panel rejects widespread Pfizer vaccine booster shots
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Over several hours of discussion, members of the Food and Drug Administration panel of outside experts voiced frustration that Pfizer had provided little data on safety of extra doses.

And they complained that data provided by Israeli researchers about their booster campaign might not be suitable for predicting the U.S. experience.
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[pocketaccent]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda...doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html

FDA panel recommends Pfizer’s Covid booster doses for people 65 and older after rejecting third shots for general population

 

[jjenny]

Back in the 30's, both my Grandfather's sister and my G-Grandmother's sister were in Iola, a Sanitarium for TB. I am starting to wonder if they need to do the same thing for Covid.

TB is different from covid. People with TB are infectious for much longer and they can live with TB for a much longer time and still be infectious.

 

[pocketaccent]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/mod...-pfizer-jj-especially-after-4-months-cdc.html

Moderna Vaccine More Effective Than Pfizer, J&J, Especially After 4 Months: CDC

Overall, the study said, the Moderna vaccine was 93% effective at preventing hospitalization for COVID among American adults without compromised immune systems. Over the same study period (March 11-August 15), the Pfizer vaccine was 88% effective and the J&J vaccine was 71% effective.

But those were overall figures. The study also broke out effectiveness, also called VE, for the period of 14-120 days after vaccination, as well as after the 120-day mark. It was there that the numbers diverged more significantly.

The Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective against hospitalization after 120 days, but the Pfizer vaccine was down to 77% effectiveness. (There was no similar calculation for the J&J vaccine, though the CDC did note that efficacy dipped to 68% more than 28 days after vaccination.)
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[JayWill]

Back in the 30's, both my Grandfather's sister and my G-Grandmother's sister were in Iola, a Sanitarium for TB. I am starting to wonder if they need to do the same thing for Covid.

My grandmother was too, in the fifties.

 

[SouthAussie]

Three people were arrested for allegedly assaulting a New York City restaurant hostess on Thursday after she asked a group of diners visiting from Texas to show proof they had been vaccinated before seating them.

The hostess, who has not been identified, was repeatedly punched and her necklace broken, police said.

NYC restaurant hostess attacked after asking diners for proof of vaccination