Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #101

[Deleted member 158085]

If the vaccination works then those that are not vaccinated are not vaccinated are not a risk to those that are vaccinated. The excuse that they need to get vaccinated to protect those that are vaccinated just doesn’t make sense.

That's not how any of this works.

 

[ilovewings]

I love and respect my lungs too much to "fool" with them.

I have never forgotten what it was like trying to breath when I had pneumonia and a collapsed lung. Struggling for every single breath, very afraid, clutching the railing of the bed.

I hear Covid is similar.

Respect your lungs - get a shot for them.

A three-dimensional rendering of a CT scan shows densely consolidated inflammation caused by COVID-19, which NYU Langone radiologists have linked to poor outcomes. IMAGE COURTESY OF MATTHEW YOUNG, DO, CLINICAL ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF RADIOLOGY

The Truth About COVID Lung
An NYU Langone Radiologist Correlates COVID-19 Disease Progression with the Density of Inflammation in the Lungs

NYU LANGONE HEALTH MAGAZINE

Before I got vaccinated my biggest fear was being unable to breathe
and winding up on a ventilator--- all those months during the early
days of the pandemic while all those people were dying and stories
of people who could not catch their breath-- terrified me-- I was
afraid of the vaccine but I am alot more afraid of Covid and consider
the vaccine a miracle--

Your description of your diffculty breathing was terrifying to just read about

 

[Cool Cats]

Before I got vaccinated my biggest fear was being unable to breathe
and winding up on a ventilator--- all those months during the early
days of the pandemic while all those people were dying and stories
of people who could not catch their breath-- terrified me-- I was
afraid of the vaccine but I am alot more afraid of Covid and consider
the vaccine a miracle--

Your description of your diffculty breathing was terrifying to just read about

I feel same as you:

"I was afraid of the vaccine but I am alot more afraid of Covid and consider
the vaccine a miracle"

For my pneumonia, a tube in my lung and strong antibiotics cured me, then getting annual flu shots.

My lungs went back to normal but Covid pneumonia is not like that. Covid messes with your lungs first, does scaring, and then the pneumonia comes secondary.

I think more people would get vaccinated if they understood the lung damage Covid causes, that it doesn't simply clear up with horse medicine and an antibody cocktail, that the shortness of breath causing fatigue often outlasts the other symptoms.

‘You are not a horse’: Spread of misinformation leads to drug shortage for vet clinic

 

[ilovewings]

I feel same as you:

"I was afraid of the vaccine but I am alot more afraid of Covid and consider
the vaccine a miracle"

For my pneumonia, a tube in my lung and strong antibiotics cured me, then getting annual flu shots.

My lungs went back to normal but Covid pneumonia is not like that. Covid messes with your lungs first, does scaring, and then the pneumonia comes secondary.

I think more people would get vaccinated if they understood the lung damage Covid causes, that it doesn't simply clear up with horse medicine and an antibody cocktail, that the shortness of breath causing fatigue often outlasts the other symptoms.

‘You are not a horse’: Spread of misinformation leads to drug shortage for vet clinic

If I recall I think Chest x-rays of people with Covid are described as looking like "ground glass"- as you pointed out, people with Covid have a different kind of pneumonia. In the early days docs put a lot of Covid patients on ventilators - but physicians were surprised when many of these patients got worse: their lungs did not react to a ventilator the way a normal pneumonia patient did.

 

[ilovewings]

Do you have any citation for this?

The Unvaccinated Are a Risk to All of Us

 

[musicaljoke]

Do you have any citation for this?

COVID-19 variants: What's the concern?

COVID-19 vaccines dampen genomic diversity of SARS-CoV-2: Unvaccinated patients exhibit more antigenic mutational variance.

 

[CrimeAway]

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[weepingangel]

'Shameless’ actor dead of COVID at age 40

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Ricarlo Flanagan, a semifinalist on “Last Comic Standing” who appeared on “Shameless,” has died from COVID complications at age 40, Variety reported.


“He brought laughter to every room he walked in,” a Gofundme stated. “We would like to get him home to his family in Cleveland, Ohio, so his family can put him to rest.”


“This covid is no joke. I don’t wish this on anybody,” Flanagan tweeted on Oct. 1.

 

[musicaljoke]

COVID-19 variants: What's the concern?

COVID-19 vaccines dampen genomic diversity of SARS-CoV-2: Unvaccinated patients exhibit more antigenic mutational variance.

These are two rather detailed exposes about the serious potential that unvaccinated people can be the source of a new covid variant, which could breach the current vaccines and undermine the entire global vaccination effort.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Scientists abused and threatened for discussing Covid, global survey finds

Scientists around the world have received threats of death and sexual assault after speaking to the media about Covid-19, a new survey has revealed.

Of 321 scientists asked by Nature magazine 15% said they had received death threats and 22% had been threatened with physical or sexual violence as a result of talking publicly about the pandemic.

Two-thirds said they had a negative experience after appearing in the media.

Scientists disclosed how they have been left distressed and scared and in some cases stopped sharing their views publicly after experiencing harassment and intimidation.

 

[weepingangel]

Updated as of this week
Over 800 Boston employees suspended without pay for refusing vaccine mandate
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More than 800 Boston employees were suspended without pay on Tuesday for not complying with the city’s COVID-19 vaccine mandate.

The 812 people who refuse to get vaccinated has decreased from 1,400 last week and represents around 4.5% of Boston’s 18,000-employee workforce, according to NBC 10.

Massachusetts/ more at link
Boston may suspend 1,200 employees Tuesday for violating COVID vaccine mandate

Returning from the extended weekend, more than 1,000 Boston city employees could face suspension for violating Acting Mayor Kim Janey’s COVID vaccine mandate.

On Friday, 1,200 city workers were still out of compliance with the mandate, which Janey announced in August for all municipal employees and contractors, the Boston Herald said.

The mandate allows people to submit a weekly negative COVID test, an option that Gov. Charlie Baker and President Joe Biden have not given their employees.

The employees out of compliance represent 6% of Boston’s 18,000-person workforce. While data was not available on the breakdown between city departments, officials told the Herald that 8% of Boston Public Schools employees were not in line with the mandate — a higher rate than the rest of the city workers.

 

[weepingangel]

Vermont
Vermont COVID Cases Up 26%; No Change in Prevention Tactics
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The number of new COVID-19 cases in Vermont increased 26% in the last week and 8% over the last two weeks, but Gov. Phil Scott said Tuesday he didn’t believe reimposing mask mandates would help reduce the spread of the virus.

Speaking at his regular weekly virus briefing, Scott said he continues to recommend that people wear masks during indoor activities.






Vt. Community Cheers News That Border With Canada Will Reopen: ‘We've Missed Them'

 

[MimosaMornings]

'We've lost the war': Idaho doctor says COVID is here to stay as state adds more cases, deaths — The Seattle Times

“Health experts have long argued that if the state’s and/or the nation’s vaccination rate did not reach a high enough level, COVID-19 would become endemic, meaning it would be regularly found and not eradicated. On Tuesday, Dr. Steven Nemerson, chief clinical officer at Saint Alphonsus Health System, told reporters at a Health and Welfare briefing that the virus is here to stay.

“Today I’m here to tell you that we’ve lost the war,” Nemerson said. “The reason it is here to stay is because we cannot vaccinate enough of the public to fully eradicate the disease. And absent being able to do that ... we now need to move into the phase of recognizing that COVID is going to be a disease to be managed for the long-term future.”

 

[SoCalDavidS]

'We've lost the war': Idaho doctor says COVID is here to stay as state adds more cases, deaths — The Seattle Times

“Health experts have long argued that if the state’s and/or the nation’s vaccination rate did not reach a high enough level, COVID-19 would become endemic, meaning it would be regularly found and not eradicated. On Tuesday, Dr. Steven Nemerson, chief clinical officer at Saint Alphonsus Health System, told reporters at a Health and Welfare briefing that the virus is here to stay.

“Today I’m here to tell you that we’ve lost the war,” Nemerson said. “The reason it is here to stay is because we cannot vaccinate enough of the public to fully eradicate the disease. And absent being able to do that ... we now need to move into the phase of recognizing that COVID is going to be a disease to be managed for the long-term future.”

Yeah, I predicted this months ago. I'm sure I'm not alone. I think from January through around April, I was feeling kind of optimistic. The rush of people trying to get vaccinated, all the demand, so much that merely getting lucky enough to snag an appointment was a huge victory of sorts. Right around May is when I started to realize that what I had initially feared as the worst case scenario, was starting to take shape.

So this is where we are, and Covid is here to stay for the rest of our days. Popping up now and then to spread voraciously whenever and wherever the wind blows it.

I believe that months ago I came up with the projection of 65-70% of Americans will be fully vaccinated when all is said and done. That puts it at the low, low end of what Dr. Fauci originally said would be necessary to achieve herd immunity. With the arrival of Delta, that was raised to 85%. I'm Caucasian, 55 and 5 ft. 5, and I have a better shot at getting a contract to play Center for the L.A. Lakers than this country has of reaching a 85% vaccination rate.

 

[ilovewings]

How Could Pfizer Be Affected by Moderna's Vaccine Safety Issues? | The Motley Fool

 

[ilovewings]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/14/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/

If more people had gotten vaccinated 90,000 deaths over four months could have been avoided.

 

[ilovewings]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/10/13/florida-unvaccinated-man-meets-doctor-bar/

This is an interesting story--- probably does not happen that often.

 

[FLmom777]

Yeah, I predicted this months ago. I'm sure I'm not alone. I think from January through around April, I was feeling kind of optimistic. The rush of people trying to get vaccinated, all the demand, so much that merely getting lucky enough to snag an appointment was a huge victory of sorts. Right around May is when I started to realize that what I had initially feared as the worst case scenario, was starting to take shape.

So this is where we are, and Covid is here to stay for the rest of our days. Popping up now and then to spread voraciously whenever and wherever the wind blows it.

I believe that months ago I came up with the projection of 65-70% of Americans will be fully vaccinated when all is said and done. That puts it at the low, low end of what Dr. Fauci originally said would be necessary to achieve herd immunity. With the arrival of Delta, that was raised to 85%. I'm Caucasian, 55 and 5 ft. 5, and I have a better shot at getting a contract to play Center for the L.A. Lakers than this country has of reaching a 85% vaccination rate.

Herd immunity can be reached with a combination of vaccines and natural immunity. I wish we could see the data of how many of those that recovered are among the unvaccinated.
Herd immunity and COVID-19 (coronavirus): What you need to know

 

[doublestop]

That article is sadly lacking in actual information. It doesn’t even mention in passing how unvaccinated are a danger to vaccinated. Not even once.

Yes it does. Right here: "As Christopher Martin, a professor of public health at West Virginia University, explains it, these undervaccinated pockets create more opportunity for the virus to mutate.

“Large numbers of unvaccinated people do make variants more likely,” he says. "

 

[musicaljoke]

Virus experts are buzzing about the discovery. Some suspect that these SARS-CoV-2-like viruses may already be infecting people from time to time, causing only mild and limited outbreaks. But under the right circumstances, the pathogens could give rise to a Covid-19-like pandemic, they say.

The findings also have significant implications for the charged debate over Covid’s origins, experts say. Some people have speculated that SARS-CoV-2’s impressive ability to infect human cells could not have evolved through a natural spillover from an animal. But the new findings seem to suggest otherwise.

“That really puts to bed any notion that this virus had to have been concocted, or somehow manipulated in a lab, to be so good at infecting humans,” said Michael Worobey, a University of Arizona virologist who was not involved in the work.

Newly Discovered Bat Viruses Give Hints to Covid’s Origins